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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Old 30th Nov 2014, 13:08
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CM, thanks for the clarification.

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Old 30th Nov 2014, 15:07
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HMAS Melbourne has done far, far more for the PLAN than it ever did for the RAN.

As will, it its own way, the F 35...
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Old 30th Nov 2014, 15:12
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I'd argue that the F4... could outperform the Mig 21 and certainly enter and leave a fight at its own choosing.

There speaks a man who has never had the benefit of been trained by instructors who faced, and comprehensively beat, the F 4 in combat.
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Old 30th Nov 2014, 15:14
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Spaz,

Well at least A4G had the right equipment to be a tanker, more than can be said for its "air defense" role.

To be fair to HH, I did not think he was implying anything about the tragic loss of life. More a reference to number of collisions that one ship was involved in.
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Old 30th Nov 2014, 16:05
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I'd argue that the F4... could outperform the Mig 21 and certainly enter and leave a fight at its own choosing.
The Red Eagles had a different view.
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Less of an issue at Marham, though deployments would still be a concern:

Luke AFB changes refueling truck color, mitigates F-35 shutdowns (via Alert 5)

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Old 9th Dec 2014, 15:35
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"To be fair to HH, I did not think he was implying anything about the tragic loss of life. More a reference to number of collisions that one ship was involved in."

Correct
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 18:29
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China doesn't sound too worried about the F-35

BEIJING, Dec 9 (Reuters) - China's new stealth fighter could certainly "take down" its opponent in the sky, the president of China's top aircraft maker said on Tuesday, referring to its U.S.-made counterpart.Lin Zuoming, president of Aviation Industry Corp of China (Avic), which developed the J-31 stealth fighter, made the remarks in an interview on state broadcaster China Central Television (CCTV).
"When it takes to the sky, it can definitely take it down," he said, in a reference to the U.S.-made F-35. "That's a certainty."
Lin also emphasised the company's desire to compete with the United States in new markets, particularly countries the U.S. will not sell military equipment to as well as countries that cannot afford the pricier F-35.
"The next-generation air forces that are unable to buy the F-35 have no way to build themselves up. We don't believe the situation should be that way," he said.
"This world should be balanced," Lin added. "Good things shouldn't all be pushed to one party."
China unveiled the highly anticipated twin-engine fighter jet at an air show last month, a show of muscle during a visit to the country by U.S. President Barack Obama.
Stealth aircraft are key to China developing the ability to carry out both offensive and defensive operations, the Pentagon said in a report about developments in China's military.
The J-31 is China's second domestically produced stealth fighter jet.
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"This world should be balanced," Lin added. "Good things shouldn't
all be pushed to one party
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Did he say this with a straight face?
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Old 10th Dec 2014, 06:54
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Another problem for the F-35
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Old 10th Dec 2014, 07:35
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It's OK, Ricardian, they've painted a bowser white to keep the fuel cooler.
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But they forgot the obligatory Yellow Band
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Old 10th Dec 2014, 10:31
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OMG yes, Coff. So I guess it won't work without that. Shall we tell them?
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Video: F-35 fighter jet has yet another problem - Telegraph

I understand that all such developments have teething problems, which can be quite run of the mill. But is this all getting rather beyond the pale.

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It's OK, Ricardian, they've painted a bowser white to keep the fuel cooler.
Why not tow a refrigation unit behind the bowser and circulate the fuel through it?
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Why not tow a refrigation unit behind the bowser and circulate the fuel through it?
Presumably white paint, even mil-spec solar-reflective stuff, is cheaper and more reliable than a portable cooler.

Perhaps cheaper still to strip the paint off and leave it as bare metal. Or cover it in 'tin' foil.
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http://bulkresources.biz/bulk_traile...es/trailer.jpg

I suggest they use bowsers based on food grade trailers. They are insulated also.
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I maybe wrong here okay, but isn't the fuel used to cool the avionics?
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The Tale Of The F-35 And Hot Jet Fuel « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary

The Tale Of The F-35 And Hot Jet Fuel 10 Dec 2014 By Colin Clark
"...“This is not an F-35 issue; there are no special restrictions on the F-35 related to fuel temperature. The F-35 uses the same fuel as other military aircraft. It can fly under the same temperature conditions as any other advanced military aircraft,” said Joe DellaVedova, program spokesman, in an email yesterday evening.

The folks at Luke say they are testing the new paint jobs to avoid problems, according to the AETC story: “‘It ensures the F-35 is able to meet its sortie requirements,’ said Chief Master Sgt. Ralph Resch, 56th LRS fuels manager. ‘We are taking proactive measures to mitigate any possible aircraft shutdowns due to high fuel temperatures in the future.'”

“Painting fuel trucks to reduce fuel temperature and improve aircraft performance will benefit legacy aircraft as well as F-35. There is no fuel temperature upper limitation on F-35 operations that would prevent sorties, and no sorties have been cancelled as a result of fuel temperature,” Kyra Hawn, deputy spokesman at the JPO, said in an email this morning. “Daily F-35 operations at Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, and Luke Air Force Base have been unaffected by hot environment or fuel temperature.”

The plane is now undergoing climate tests: heat, cold, rain, snow, ice etc. A lab test imposing temperatures in excess of 130 degrees was just completed “and the aircraft performed exceptionally well based on preliminary information collected,” Hawn wrote. Full climate results will be ready in the spring of 2015."
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First F-35 Assembled In Italy To Roll Out Early Next Year | Defense content from Aviation Week

First F-35 Assembled In Italy To Roll Out Early Next Year Dec 10, 2014 Amy Butler | Aerospace Daily & Defense Report

Officials in Italy are preparing for the rollout of their first F-35A from the final assembly and checkout (FACO) facility at Cameri Air Base in northern Italy early next year.

That first aircraft is slated to roll off the line by March 2015.
Italy invested about $1 billion in building the facility amid political infighting about the status of purchases for the fighter; it began operations last year. Cameri is the site of Italy’s hub for long-running Eurofighter Typhoon and Tornado work.

The military leadership there had hoped to assemble at least 250 fighters at the FACO, including Italy’s original plan for 131 fighters in addition to the Netherlands’ original plan for 85.

Though the final numbers are up in the air, Italy designed the FACO with significant work growth in mind. Rome is likely a top contender as the Pentagon assesses options for a heavy airframe repair in Europe; an announcement on the final selection is expected early next year.

Italy opted to forgo the “moving” production line originally envisioned for Lockheed Martin’s Fort Worth facility. Rome has, however, installed 11 workstations suited for final assembly work, including four for the electronic mating and assembly system (EMAS) customized for F-35 work. These are the same EMASs used in Fort Worth. But at least five workstations were designed for maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) tasks there, and some can be reconfigured should more MRO work be needed.

Italy’s design was aggressive by nature. Defense officials estimate there is $18.6 billion in economic opportunity for local business associated with MRO work, Lt. Gen. Domenico Esposito, who heads the Italian air force’s procurements, told Aviation Week last year.

Meanwhile, work on constructing Japan’s FACO in Nagoya continues; construction began in May. The first major subcomponents are slated to be loaded into Japan’s electronic mate and assembly tooling – the same tooling used for assembly at Lockheed Martin’s final assembly plant in Fort Worth – in December 2015.

The first four of Japan’s 42 F-35s will come from the Forth Worth plant. The first Japanese assembled F-35A is slated to roll off the line in Nagoya in fall 2017, with delivery for operations in 2018.
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