F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
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South Korean Pre-Emptive Strike Strategy againt North Korea
South Korean reasoning for choice; and as always best to read entire article at source:
S. Korea picks Lockheed Martin's F-35 as main fighter jet 22 Nov 2013 Yoo Seungki
S. Korea picks Lockheed Martin's F-35 as main fighter jet - Xinhua | English.news.cn
S. Korea picks Lockheed Martin's F-35 as main fighter jet 22 Nov 2013 Yoo Seungki
"SEOUL, Nov. 22 (Xinhua) -- South Korea picked Lockheed Martin's F-35A stealth fighter as its main combat aircraft to better respond to possible nuclear and missile attacks from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) said Friday....
...Seoul-driven counter-attack strategy, which pre-emptively detects and intercepts missiles and nuclear threats from Pyongyang. Seoul and Washington agreed in October to first strike the DPRK if signs of Pyongyang's nuclear attacks are detected...."
...Seoul-driven counter-attack strategy, which pre-emptively detects and intercepts missiles and nuclear threats from Pyongyang. Seoul and Washington agreed in October to first strike the DPRK if signs of Pyongyang's nuclear attacks are detected...."
The kill chain system refers to the Seoul-driven counterattack strategy, which preemptively detects and intercepts missiles and nuclear threats from Pyongyang. Seoul and Washington agreed in October to first strike the DPRK if signs of Pyongyang's nuclear attacks are detected.
Somebody please tell me this is Chinese disinformation, and that the U.S. administration is not setting highly subjective redlines against a nuclear-capable nutterocracy, in order to sell jets.
Somebody please tell me this is Chinese disinformation, and that the U.S. administration is not setting highly subjective redlines against a nuclear-capable nutterocracy, in order to sell jets.
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LO - they are not "highly subjective redlines"
just as simple a statement as they can make in an effort to get through to the Young Leader
Normal diplomatic waffle gets nowhere
just as simple a statement as they can make in an effort to get through to the Young Leader
Normal diplomatic waffle gets nowhere
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Thx for the effort Spaz, although the 'official resoning' leaves a lot to be desired.
Infiltrate secretly? Birdsize RCS impossible to detect?
Even civilian officials should refrain from escapades like this if they want to be taken seriously and recent KEPD350 purchase in particular speaks volumes in that regard.
On a much more prosaic note, there's still no explanation how will two squadrons perform a three squadrons worth of work.
"The kill chain system requires a jet that can infiltrate secretly into and strike a target," Col. Eom Hyo-sik, JCS spokesman, told reporters at a briefing.
The F-35 jet is known to be shown on the radar as a bird size, making it almostimpossible to detect the fighter.
The F-35 jet is known to be shown on the radar as a bird size, making it almostimpossible to detect the fighter.
Even civilian officials should refrain from escapades like this if they want to be taken seriously and recent KEPD350 purchase in particular speaks volumes in that regard.
On a much more prosaic note, there's still no explanation how will two squadrons perform a three squadrons worth of work.
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'NO' Changes for F-35B Ops Aboard CAVOUR
There were some other 'mangled Engrish' news stories about similar ops against NorK but anyway...
The Italian Approach to the F-35: A Discussion with Rear Admiral Covella 08 Nov 2013 Robbin Laird
The Italian Approach to the F-35: A Discussion with Rear Admiral Covella | SLDInfo
The Italian Approach to the F-35: A Discussion with Rear Admiral Covella 08 Nov 2013 Robbin Laird
"...The Cavour will see some changes as well; there are no structural changes necessary but some adaptations such as dedicated secure networks and laying down a new type of surface treatment [THERMION?] for the ship flight deck....
...The Cavour will be eventually be stocked with the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter, replacing the aging Harriers. It has room for ten F-35Bs in the hangar and six on the deck....
...The head of the Italian Air Force had underscored during his interview that the 60/40 split between the As and Bs was being done because the Air Force saw the need for expeditionary flexibility. “We want to go to the mission, not the airfield.”"
...The Cavour will be eventually be stocked with the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter, replacing the aging Harriers. It has room for ten F-35Bs in the hangar and six on the deck....
...The head of the Italian Air Force had underscored during his interview that the 60/40 split between the As and Bs was being done because the Air Force saw the need for expeditionary flexibility. “We want to go to the mission, not the airfield.”"
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Some F-35B Mode 4 VL / STO Stats To Date 25 Nov 2013
The Juan Carlos I LHD flung together starting 2005? should be good to go then as required. Anyways....
Rolls-Royce Bags Contract To Produce & Support LiftSystem For F-35 Lightning II 25 Nov 2013
Rolls-Royce Bags Contract To Produce & Support LiftSystem For F-35 Lightning II
Rolls-Royce Bags Contract To Produce & Support LiftSystem For F-35 Lightning II 25 Nov 2013
"...Moreover, the F-35B fleet nears multiple major milestones. In more than 450 flights of Mode 4 operation, F-35B aircraft have completed over 1,000 short take-offs, 640 vertical landings, comprising over 150 aboard the USS Wasp, 550 slow landings and 250 hover test points...."
"As we expand our field support, we remain focused on efficiency and further increasing the affordability of LiftSystems for the F-35B Lightning II."
"Increasing the affordability" of a bag of tricks priced at $36 million a shot is, I fear, marketing-speak.
"Increasing the affordability" of a bag of tricks priced at $36 million a shot is, I fear, marketing-speak.
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And... the LiftSystem is TOO well tested for some... <sigh>. There is just no end to it. We need a GoldyRocks F-35 - not too this and not too that - but just right. I know the F-35A wot takes off and lands in equal numbers. Good oh.
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$36m for the LiftSystem alone? 
Does this include the engine?
It would be great to be able to answer the equation,
I suspect that N and R are currently known only to Dr. Who, JSFfan and SpazSinbad.
What we do know is that Dave-B's still the most expensive version for the weakest payload/range/weapon options. It won the 2001 Collier (
) and should be able to set loads of V/STOL records (whupping the Yak-141 FREESTYLE)... and then put it to pasture and tell the USMC to fly more -Cs. (And the FAA, too. RAF? Cs too, presumably).
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Does this include the engine?It would be great to be able to answer the equation,
One LiftSystem = N% of an LRIP Dave-A and R% of an LRIP Dave-C.
What we do know is that Dave-B's still the most expensive version for the weakest payload/range/weapon options. It won the 2001 Collier (
) and should be able to set loads of V/STOL records (whupping the Yak-141 FREESTYLE)... and then put it to pasture and tell the USMC to fly more -Cs. (And the FAA, too. RAF? Cs too, presumably).S41
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Heheh, sadly I only have ayes for the F-35A becuz weeze buying 'em in OzLand like. However my interest is in the NavAv versions mostly. They are the most interestin'. And worth repeatin'. One can haggle about lots of things; however I would have thought the UKers here would be more interested in what they are buyin'. Perhaps they are in their different Pommy manner. 
BTW the latest Update is here:
F-35 Flight Test Update 12 25 Nov 2013 Eric Hehs
Code One Magazine: F-35 Flight Test Update 12
Lightning II jets in vertical night landing tests Published on Sep 13, 2013 [Happy RAF Camper]
BTW the latest Update is here:F-35 Flight Test Update 12 25 Nov 2013 Eric Hehs
Code One Magazine: F-35 Flight Test Update 12
Lightning II jets in vertical night landing tests Published on Sep 13, 2013 [Happy RAF Camper]
"F-35 Operations onboard USS Wasp with interviews. Over the last few weeks, RAF and Royal Navy pilots and ground crew have been involved in the second round of Carrier testing onboard the USS WASP. The testing has been used to expand the operational envelope, with aircraft flown in a variety of air and sea states, landing at day and night, all while carrying internal weapons. This was the first time that vertical night landings had been conducted at sea."
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S41 - The Selected Acquisition Report has the F-35A hitting a rock-bottom price of $89 million (average procurement unit cost for the USAF, including engine) at peak production. The full-rate price of the B is $138 million - $49 million for the lift system and all the associated doors and stuff on the airframe. That ($138M) is 80 per cent of what the last batch of F-22s cost.
For that, of course, you get an aircraft with much less fuel, a smaller weapon load and no internal gun, plus a LiftSystemTM that goes back to Mr Royce every now and then for overhaul. And the UK CONOPS, as I understand it, requires almost equal at-sea and land-based time, so no dodging these costs as the Marines do, by only flying STOVL ten per cent of the time.
DISCLAIMER - Actual prices may vary based on program performance, and may cause headaches and extreme allergic reactions. In the case of a transition lasting more than four hours, seek immediate medical help.
For that, of course, you get an aircraft with much less fuel, a smaller weapon load and no internal gun, plus a LiftSystemTM that goes back to Mr Royce every now and then for overhaul. And the UK CONOPS, as I understand it, requires almost equal at-sea and land-based time, so no dodging these costs as the Marines do, by only flying STOVL ten per cent of the time.
DISCLAIMER - Actual prices may vary based on program performance, and may cause headaches and extreme allergic reactions. In the case of a transition lasting more than four hours, seek immediate medical help.
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