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C-17 crashed on Elmendorf
A C-17 with four people onboard crashed on a training mission on Elmendorf AFB.
Cargo plane crashes and burns on Elmendorf: Military | adn.com
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Just found this to be covered in the rumours section already. Me stupid
Cargo plane crashes and burns on Elmendorf: Military | adn.com
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Just found this to be covered in the rumours section already. Me stupid
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My understanding that this is the first total Hull lose.
There has been at least two other incidents but I believe those airplanes can and will be repaired.
Does not good for the crew, are thoughts and prayers go out to those involved.
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There has been at least two other incidents but I believe those airplanes can and will be repaired.
Does not good for the crew, are thoughts and prayers go out to those involved.
Col
Very sad news,
Wasn't the C17 display at RIAT (large Military Show at Fairford in the UK for the unitiated) over 17th/18th July conducted by an Alaskan-based aircraft?
Wasn't the C17 display at RIAT (large Military Show at Fairford in the UK for the unitiated) over 17th/18th July conducted by an Alaskan-based aircraft?
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No, they're stupid, already totally unfounded comments about a possible Bud Holland scenario. Idiots.
C-17 operated by Alaska Air National Guard, four POB. It was on a practice demo flight for an airshow at the base this weekend. USAF witnesses on other sites report it going down in heavy woods a few miles from the base. Descriptions of it going in from either a tight turn or a wingover. Big fireball.
C-17 operated by Alaska Air National Guard, four POB. It was on a practice demo flight for an airshow at the base this weekend. USAF witnesses on other sites report it going down in heavy woods a few miles from the base. Descriptions of it going in from either a tight turn or a wingover. Big fireball.
No, the RIAT display was by a crew and aircraft from the 97th AMW of AETC, based at Altus AFB, OK.
It has, however, been suggested here - C-17 plane crashes at Elmendorf - KTUU.com | Alaska's news and information source | - that the crew was training for the upcoming airshow at Elmendorf this weekend.
It has, however, been suggested here - C-17 plane crashes at Elmendorf - KTUU.com | Alaska's news and information source | - that the crew was training for the upcoming airshow at Elmendorf this weekend.
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Just hoping..
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..that this isn't another Bud Holland sort of accident..bm
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..that this isn't another Bud Holland sort of accident..bm
When you go onto the base for the airshow you pass the somber memorial for Yukla 27, the AWACS that crashed at Elmendorf in 1995.
The Blue Angels have already arrived at PAED for the airshow and are scheduled to practice this afternoon at 2100Z. The Snowbirds will also be at the show.
Sadly, CNN is reporting no survivors from the C-17 crash:
Military plane crashes on training mission in Alaska, killing 4 airmen - CNN.com
It's premature for sure. But if it was indeed airshow practice and reports of a wingover/tight turn are correct, it's hard to stop the mind going in that direction.
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Was watching the practice 30 mins before the accident and they were conducting some pretty aggresive manoevers! Not making any comments on cause as whatever, it is too late.
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Yet Another Airshow Crash
General probability of pilot-error in any airshow related mishap is 80%+.
Airshows are always popular, but the world safety record over many decades of these events is terrible. Not worth it in lives and lost resources.
Airshows are always popular, but the world safety record over many decades of these events is terrible. Not worth it in lives and lost resources.
Airshows are always popular, but the world safety record over many decades of these events is terrible. Not worth it in lives and lost resources.
I am reminded of a study which showed that actual engine out real aircraft training on multi-engine turboprops resulted in more accidents than all other flight experience. This kind-of suggested why simulator training might be more appropriate to reinforce training lessons learned.
just food for thought
The public [i.e.. taxpayers] have every right to see the equipment and people they pay for every once in awhile....
The real issue is a form of "airshow-itus" where people get carried away trying to impress the crowd and of course their peers. Crashing is not part of any routine!
Public support and pride in our servicemen and women is essential and as Governments have pissed our tax dollars up against the wall on 'failed' or non-productive projects and handouts, the uniformed services need to engage with the community even more..
RIP to crew who were simply trying to do their best for all...
The real issue is a form of "airshow-itus" where people get carried away trying to impress the crowd and of course their peers. Crashing is not part of any routine!
Public support and pride in our servicemen and women is essential and as Governments have pissed our tax dollars up against the wall on 'failed' or non-productive projects and handouts, the uniformed services need to engage with the community even more..
RIP to crew who were simply trying to do their best for all...
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The victims of the C-17 crash at Elmendorf have officially been identified and families notified. The victims were -
Major Michael Freyholtz & Major Aaron Malone - both pilots assigned to the Alaska Air National Guard's 249th Airlift Squadron;
Capt. Jeffrey Hill, a pilot assigned to Elmendorf's 517th Airlift Squadron;
Master Sgt. Thomas Cicardo; a 249th Airlift Squadron loadmaster.
Major Michael Freyholtz & Major Aaron Malone - both pilots assigned to the Alaska Air National Guard's 249th Airlift Squadron;
Capt. Jeffrey Hill, a pilot assigned to Elmendorf's 517th Airlift Squadron;
Master Sgt. Thomas Cicardo; a 249th Airlift Squadron loadmaster.
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I HATE air displays and never go to them anymore. Just Google airshow crashes and the like.
I've lost too many friends in them or practising for them. Watching C130s pulling 100+ degrees of bank to 'impress' the public who didn't know the aircraft was 40+ degrees beyond its published limitations.
Please spare me the theory that a barrel roll is +1g all the way round, I KNOW it is, I also know that not many people can actually achieve that.
When Joe Public is used to seeing aircraft doing amazing stuff, big aeroplanes often look staid - they're supposed to be, the inertia is something to behold compared with FJs or A10s et al.
Remember the famous B-52 video, wasn't that Elmendorf too?
RIP (again). I just feel SOoo sorry for the NOK.
I've lost too many friends in them or practising for them. Watching C130s pulling 100+ degrees of bank to 'impress' the public who didn't know the aircraft was 40+ degrees beyond its published limitations.
Please spare me the theory that a barrel roll is +1g all the way round, I KNOW it is, I also know that not many people can actually achieve that.
When Joe Public is used to seeing aircraft doing amazing stuff, big aeroplanes often look staid - they're supposed to be, the inertia is something to behold compared with FJs or A10s et al.
Remember the famous B-52 video, wasn't that Elmendorf too?
RIP (again). I just feel SOoo sorry for the NOK.