A400 Grizzly
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A400 Grizzly
Posted By forget. 21st Jul 2010.
They do listen after all.
Posted By forget. 21st Jul 2010.
Hercules, followed by .............................. Atlas. Does it for me.
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Good idea to rename it the Atlas. There was also an RAF army co-operation in service in the 1930s called the Atlas (Armstrong-Whitworth), while one of the RAF's Shorts Belfast transporters was nicknamed the same. But what is original these days, most aircraft names seem to be recycled and have been used at one time or another.
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"Europacket" ???
I've got a lingering memory of the Fairchild Packet lookalike, the Nord Aviation Noratlas being originally a Gothawerke design intended (by the Nazi occupiers) for production in France, where the workers' deliberate slowness greatly delayed production until after WW2.
Which reminds me also that an Aerospatiale veteran once said that the "skills" learned during such deliberate delaying actually helped in getting the Caravelle into fairly rapid production - they just had to do the opposite of what they'd done during the occupation (like having lavatories close to the line, instead of hundreds of metres away).
(Apologies for thread drift)
Which reminds me also that an Aerospatiale veteran once said that the "skills" learned during such deliberate delaying actually helped in getting the Caravelle into fairly rapid production - they just had to do the opposite of what they'd done during the occupation (like having lavatories close to the line, instead of hundreds of metres away).
(Apologies for thread drift)
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Of course that should read soul destroying, although I did use quite a lot of sole leather walking around Tolouse, Hamburg and Bremen whilst Airbus created tons of paperwork as a way of avoiding designing or building anything.
I really enjoyed working with AIrbus Military.. it was the Customer-side that was the frustration!
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My vote for the A400 name still sits firmly with 'Womble C.Mk1'
But is the short field performance good enough to get one into Wimbledon common (and having got there, back out again) ??
But is the short field performance good enough to get one into Wimbledon common (and having got there, back out again) ??
Fat Lass - brilliant, Flarkey! I can see that catching on!
Will the first 3 RAF Atlas C Mk 1s be named 'Sharon', 'Tracy' and 'Vicki'?
Yeah, but, no but yeah....
Will the first 3 RAF Atlas C Mk 1s be named 'Sharon', 'Tracy' and 'Vicki'?
Yeah, but, no but yeah....
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So, the operating crew gets to enter via the front, whilst the paratroops etc. get to enter via the rear... hmmm... seems about right!
Disclaimer: Not both at the same time, obviously...
Disclaimer: Not both at the same time, obviously...
Atlas was one of the names put forward on the following. Looks like someone took note!
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...ame-a400m.html
TJ
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...ame-a400m.html
TJ
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Defense News: Germany May Pare A400M Acquisition - Defense News
BONN - The German government has agreed to stay with the troubled A400M airlifter program, but its Air Force might end up with 20 planes fewer than planned.
In November, the German purchase was reduced from 60 to 53 planes because of program cost increases. Now, say officials with the coalition government, Germany will try to sell 13 of the aircraft to foreign customers. That would leave just 40 for the Air Force.
"This will not only lead to a relief of the defense budget over the long run, but it is also an adaption to the realistic necessity for the Bundeswehr," FDP member Jürgen Koppelin said in a Jan. 25 press statement. FDP is the coalition's main reporting member in the budget committee for the Defense Department's budget.
Alexander Bonde, spokesman on budgetary policy for the opposition Green Party, criticized the plan as a gift to EADS that could cost the state between 2 billion and 2.5 billion euros ($3.4 billion) and shift risk to taxpayers.
A Defense Department spokesman declined to comment until the parliament made a decision. Its budget committee will decide Jan. 26 whether to continue the A400M program and change the contract.
BONN - The German government has agreed to stay with the troubled A400M airlifter program, but its Air Force might end up with 20 planes fewer than planned.
In November, the German purchase was reduced from 60 to 53 planes because of program cost increases. Now, say officials with the coalition government, Germany will try to sell 13 of the aircraft to foreign customers. That would leave just 40 for the Air Force.
"This will not only lead to a relief of the defense budget over the long run, but it is also an adaption to the realistic necessity for the Bundeswehr," FDP member Jürgen Koppelin said in a Jan. 25 press statement. FDP is the coalition's main reporting member in the budget committee for the Defense Department's budget.
Alexander Bonde, spokesman on budgetary policy for the opposition Green Party, criticized the plan as a gift to EADS that could cost the state between 2 billion and 2.5 billion euros ($3.4 billion) and shift risk to taxpayers.
A Defense Department spokesman declined to comment until the parliament made a decision. Its budget committee will decide Jan. 26 whether to continue the A400M program and change the contract.
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The RAF name seems fixed.
Note the last 2 paragraphs:
PICTURES: Cameron welcomes RAF's last C-17 to Brize Norton
Atlas C.1, it seems.
Note the last 2 paragraphs:
PICTURES: Cameron welcomes RAF's last C-17 to Brize Norton
The C-17 fleet will from late this year be joined at Brize Norton by the RAF's first of 14 Airbus A330-200-based Future Strategic Tanker Aircraft. The base will also eventually house 22 Airbus Military A400Ms, with the type to be named the "Atlas" in UK service.
The RAF expects the A400M to achieve its in-service date during 2015, with the milestone to be declared with the availability of its seventh aircraft.
The RAF expects the A400M to achieve its in-service date during 2015, with the milestone to be declared with the availability of its seventh aircraft.
Atlas C.1, it seems.
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Airbus pulls 'Grizzly' out of Paris Air Show
Airbus was forced to abandon the public debut of the A400M, the troop carrier running four years late and developed at a cost of more than €20bn (£17.6bn) for Britain, France, Germany and four other nations.
The flypast, scheduled for today, would have been one of the highlights of the week-long show but the gearbox problem in one of the huge turbo-props is the latest setback for a project plagued by delays and squabbles which have extended to a row over the name.
Airbus has nicknamed the plane "Grizzly" but an indignant RAF intends to call the aircraft Atlas to reflect its endurance capabilities when it makes its debut at Farnborough next month. Air Chief Marshall Sir Stephen Dalton has said "Grizzly" would be accepted "over my dead body."
There are doubts about whether Atlas will be cleared for take off in time for the British air show following the discovery of the gearbox problem. Domingo Urena-Raso, Airbus Military chief executive, said that "flight test requirements are very demanding at the moment."
The long development delays have exasperated politicians and air forces while engineers have wrestled with the technical challenges posed by the advanced turbo-prop technology. The programme was on the brink of cancellation last year but Britain and other buyers reluctantly agreed to stump up another €3.5bn to get the plane into service.
The flypast, scheduled for today, would have been one of the highlights of the week-long show but the gearbox problem in one of the huge turbo-props is the latest setback for a project plagued by delays and squabbles which have extended to a row over the name.
Airbus has nicknamed the plane "Grizzly" but an indignant RAF intends to call the aircraft Atlas to reflect its endurance capabilities when it makes its debut at Farnborough next month. Air Chief Marshall Sir Stephen Dalton has said "Grizzly" would be accepted "over my dead body."
There are doubts about whether Atlas will be cleared for take off in time for the British air show following the discovery of the gearbox problem. Domingo Urena-Raso, Airbus Military chief executive, said that "flight test requirements are very demanding at the moment."
The long development delays have exasperated politicians and air forces while engineers have wrestled with the technical challenges posed by the advanced turbo-prop technology. The programme was on the brink of cancellation last year but Britain and other buyers reluctantly agreed to stump up another €3.5bn to get the plane into service.
Grizzly? That's a North American critter. Why can't Airbus name it for a European Critter? (Hmm, Destrier? Percheron? Big, strong horses that carry a lot of war kit ... )
Or how about a European superhero, like Perseus? Or Bellerophon? (OK, there was HMS Bellerophon, him what flew Pegasus ... but it has too many syllables for Air Force types ... )
EDIT: oops, just realized the French would veto Bellerophon, as Bonaparte surrendered himself to the Captain ...
Since the C-130 is the Herc, why not name the A400M Megara?
Atlas ... Ok, name it after some mountains on another continent, that'll work!
Or how about a European superhero, like Perseus? Or Bellerophon? (OK, there was HMS Bellerophon, him what flew Pegasus ... but it has too many syllables for Air Force types ... )
EDIT: oops, just realized the French would veto Bellerophon, as Bonaparte surrendered himself to the Captain ...
Since the C-130 is the Herc, why not name the A400M Megara?
Atlas ... Ok, name it after some mountains on another continent, that'll work!
I like Atlas as name for the A400M.
We are happy to call the Herc 'Fat Albert' so I see no reason not to call its replacement the fAT LASs because lets face it, compared to Albert she is a big bird.
We are happy to call the Herc 'Fat Albert' so I see no reason not to call its replacement the fAT LASs because lets face it, compared to Albert she is a big bird.