Canadian Airbase Commander Charged with Murder
His 'admission interview' with the police is on Live Leak if anyone wants to search it. The guy seems only bothered about the impact on his wife. Yes it seems he is a murdering sicko - not sure how the death penalty would have a) deterred him or b) helps anybody now he's in gaol.
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Elmo, would he have confessed with the death penalty? Regardless, the DNA evidence would have convicted him.
Canada has some "famous" case histories of those wrongly convicted for murder, but that was before the advent of admissible DNA evidence. I think the death penalty should apply in those cases involving that non-refutable evidence.
Williams will receive his $60,000/yr. pension. That is another besmirch -
a besmirch upon the Canadian taxpayer and families of his victims.
Load Toad, the interrogation by Detective Smyth is sheer brilliance. It will be the interview against which all others are measured.
Williams' concern about his wife (and how her new home would fare during the execution of the search warrant) struck me as being totally irrelevant due to the enormity of his betrayal to all....especially his wife.
Canada has some "famous" case histories of those wrongly convicted for murder, but that was before the advent of admissible DNA evidence. I think the death penalty should apply in those cases involving that non-refutable evidence.
Williams will receive his $60,000/yr. pension. That is another besmirch -
a besmirch upon the Canadian taxpayer and families of his victims.
Load Toad, the interrogation by Detective Smyth is sheer brilliance. It will be the interview against which all others are measured.
Williams' concern about his wife (and how her new home would fare during the execution of the search warrant) struck me as being totally irrelevant due to the enormity of his betrayal to all....especially his wife.
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Not only is the death penalty irreversible, it's also a get-out. Solitary confinement for life, no chance of parole, subsistence gruel only, no entertainment, exercise or work allowed - a harsher punishment in my view and ultimately reversible. The only downside would be if they were pardoned, you would have one seriously screwed-up person out there (better that than dead?).
No reason for imprisonment to be so expensive either - the expense only comes because we keep letting people out of their cells for visits etc and hence need multiple layers of security!
No reason for imprisonment to be so expensive either - the expense only comes because we keep letting people out of their cells for visits etc and hence need multiple layers of security!
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I'm no psychologist / psychiatrist but I could only hazard to guess that the murderer / fetishist can compartmentalize one action from another such that to him how he acts in 'normal life' is quite separate, indeed maybe even a separate person from his evil life & thus he can't allow in his mind a collision between the two to occur. The interview part I saw to me was him realizing that the collision was about to occur and he was trying to find a way to keep them apart. The detective was showing him the way to keep them apart was to admit what had happened.
To 'normal' people obviously the things are not separate at all but once the guy is satisfied that admission satisfies his own fears he then makes the admission.
It's very disturbing to watch it but fascinating.
I'm no psychologist / psychiatrist but I could only hazard to guess that the murderer / fetishist can compartmentalize one action from another such that to him how he acts in 'normal life' is quite separate, indeed maybe even a separate person from his evil life & thus he can't allow in his mind a collision between the two to occur. The interview part I saw to me was him realizing that the collision was about to occur and he was trying to find a way to keep them apart. The detective was showing him the way to keep them apart was to admit what had happened.
To 'normal' people obviously the things are not separate at all but once the guy is satisfied that admission satisfies his own fears he then makes the admission.
It's very disturbing to watch it but fascinating.
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ME, no.
By any modern standard of morals to murder is wrong and retribution will be heaped upon you head. You wil be caught and severely punished. To go ahead and commit murder is madness.
If you are mad you cannot be tried as a normal person. You should be certified and hospitalised in an institution for ever.
By any modern standard of morals to murder is wrong and retribution will be heaped upon you head. You wil be caught and severely punished. To go ahead and commit murder is madness.
If you are mad you cannot be tried as a normal person. You should be certified and hospitalised in an institution for ever.
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His confession interview goes to prove what many of us with a military background have known for years, the average sergent is smarter than most senior officers! On a more serious note, looks like the government is going to block his pension, it should be used to pay the cost of keeping him in the slammer for the rest of his life.
The exMRAF is a pleasant guy that I met after his 15mins of fame when he bought one of my wife's paintings from an exhibition of her's in Shaftesbury(!).
What I think is sad,is that his name does not appear in the Retired List (I'm sure I'm correct in that).
What I think is sad,is that his name does not appear in the Retired List (I'm sure I'm correct in that).
Memory fades...
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What is possibly the most disturbing feature of this case, is how this murderous fruitcake could pass all the psych tests of the military... get promoted to an exceptionally high level... work closely alongside many other people... yet no-one suspected, or said anything??
Surely... SOMEONE, must have been suspicious, of at least, some of his behaviour, at SOME stage?...
It beggars belief that this person could have hidden this fetish and his regular break-ins, to feed that fetish... coupled with a murderous bent... and NO-ONE suspected a THING?? Where were the investigators on the break-ins?
Was there any fingerprinting done? Any questions asked, about unexplained movements and disappearances?
I'll wager at least ONE person harboured suspicions - his wife. As for the break-in crimes investigators... well, they need to be booted, unceremoniously.
Surely... SOMEONE, must have been suspicious, of at least, some of his behaviour, at SOME stage?...
It beggars belief that this person could have hidden this fetish and his regular break-ins, to feed that fetish... coupled with a murderous bent... and NO-ONE suspected a THING?? Where were the investigators on the break-ins?
Was there any fingerprinting done? Any questions asked, about unexplained movements and disappearances?
I'll wager at least ONE person harboured suspicions - his wife. As for the break-in crimes investigators... well, they need to be booted, unceremoniously.
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Onetrack, I think part of the problem in the CAF is the very small gene pool from which most of the officers come, that is Royal Military College. As the vast majority of them originate from this one source it generates a fierce in house loyalty which inhibits critical examination of ones fellow RMC grads, it is in fact the ultimate "Old Boys Network". In previous times the Canadian military had a much more diverse cross section, thus more prone to asking the right questions, on top of this the CAF is so bloody PC these days one is often preventd by various "rights" from even asking these questions. This problem extends to civvy street over here as well, we found we had a child molester working for us some years back, booted the SOB out in jig time, he now flies for a large domestic airline which instead of doing it the old fashioned way and picking up the phone to previous employers uses an HR firm who know nothing about the industry and how to do a REAL background on a pilot. Im told by contacts at Trenton that some have come forward and stated that they had misgivings about the jerk, have no way to confirm it but I hope some in our government are asking the same tough questions you pose!
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clunckdriver, appreciate your input from someone "who was there" so to speak.
This is perfect fodder for the next Ann Rule book.
These "misgivings" tend to come foward after the fact, but in the case of Williams, they really are the exception.
What puzzles me is this: how the 'ell did Williams find the time to procure and execute his fetish in such a painstakingly accurate manner? That meticulous collection, cataloging, and presentation of undies - heck, the women who work at Victoria's Secret are not as apt!
Besides the undie thing, there's the stalking, picture taking, pillage, modelling for the camera, rapes, torture, abuse, murder, lengthy commute to and from his "get-away/murder cottage." Williams' duties as a CO seems almost incidental!
Who knows what his wife thought - she had a high-profile career herself - but I wonder whose idea it was to buy this "get-away" cottage? If I was married to someone who wanted a "get-away" cottage my first thought would be this: "get away" from what?....and who does he have stashed there? In this case, that was painfully true, albeit this "she" was stone-cold dead.
This case is one big
....and speaking of books.....just image the flood that will soon be on the shelves....probably before Christmas.
p.s. This woman is really perplexed and will probably be standing in line for one of those books. I am involved in an organization that restore old warbirds, amongst other aircraft, and many of the volunteers are ex-military and seem to be decent, straight-up kind of guys.
But then, so was Williams.....
This is perfect fodder for the next Ann Rule book.
Im told by contacts at Trenton that some have come forward and stated that they had misgivings about the jerk, have no way to confirm it but I hope some in our government are asking the same tough questions you pose!
What puzzles me is this: how the 'ell did Williams find the time to procure and execute his fetish in such a painstakingly accurate manner? That meticulous collection, cataloging, and presentation of undies - heck, the women who work at Victoria's Secret are not as apt!
Besides the undie thing, there's the stalking, picture taking, pillage, modelling for the camera, rapes, torture, abuse, murder, lengthy commute to and from his "get-away/murder cottage." Williams' duties as a CO seems almost incidental!
Who knows what his wife thought - she had a high-profile career herself - but I wonder whose idea it was to buy this "get-away" cottage? If I was married to someone who wanted a "get-away" cottage my first thought would be this: "get away" from what?....and who does he have stashed there? In this case, that was painfully true, albeit this "she" was stone-cold dead.
This case is one big
....and speaking of books.....just image the flood that will soon be on the shelves....probably before Christmas.p.s. This woman is really perplexed and will probably be standing in line for one of those books. I am involved in an organization that restore old warbirds, amongst other aircraft, and many of the volunteers are ex-military and seem to be decent, straight-up kind of guys.
But then, so was Williams.....
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Still Thinking About This.....Why?
A sucker for penned sentiments perhaps?....but I find Williams' letter to his wife incredibly sad because I would like to believe it.
"Dearest Mary Elizabeth,
I love you, Sweet (illegible). I am so very sorry for having hurt you like this. I know you'll take good care of sweet Rosie.
I love you,
Russ"
Rosie is their cat.
"Dearest Mary Elizabeth,
I love you, Sweet (illegible). I am so very sorry for having hurt you like this. I know you'll take good care of sweet Rosie.
I love you,
Russ"
Rosie is their cat.
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<i> Not only is the death penalty irreversible, it's also a get-out. Solitary confinement for life, no chance of parole, subsistence gruel only, no entertainment, exercise or work allowed - a harsher punishment in my view and ultimately reversible.</i>
Your view?
Let's give this convicted murderer his choice, and see which punishment he chooses to avoid.
If it be mental illness then he should not have been found guilty of murder. However I always consider anyone who commits murder to be mad, so you have a point.
So murderers really aren't bad people. They're mad, insane. They can't help themselves. In fact, one could say that "murder" is a social construct, and that "murderers" are not insane. Instead, so-called "murderers" are differently sane people, who are misunderstood by the insane Puritanical society around them.
Murderers are victims too. Murderers have probably been victimized by an unhappy childhood, as well as by the oppressive constraints of society at large. This poor man was confined by narrow, artificial gender roles that held him back from openly expressing his creative interests in the diversity of women's underwear.
Murderers need our understanding. They need help and psychotherapy, not punishment.
Your view?
Let's give this convicted murderer his choice, and see which punishment he chooses to avoid.
If it be mental illness then he should not have been found guilty of murder. However I always consider anyone who commits murder to be mad, so you have a point.
So murderers really aren't bad people. They're mad, insane. They can't help themselves. In fact, one could say that "murder" is a social construct, and that "murderers" are not insane. Instead, so-called "murderers" are differently sane people, who are misunderstood by the insane Puritanical society around them.
Murderers are victims too. Murderers have probably been victimized by an unhappy childhood, as well as by the oppressive constraints of society at large. This poor man was confined by narrow, artificial gender roles that held him back from openly expressing his creative interests in the diversity of women's underwear.
Murderers need our understanding. They need help and psychotherapy, not punishment.
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Then you say:
Murderers need our understanding. They need help and psychotherapy, not punishment.
We all agree that Canada ought to have the death penalty available for egregious murderers such as Williams, don't we?
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Murderers need our understanding. They need help and psychotherapy, not punishment.
My mother (along with many others) was a victim of the infamous Dr. Shipman and I (along with quite a few others I imagine) have difficulty going along with this thought. It was even worse when, due in the main to lax supervision, Shipman was able to take his own life while in custody, thus cheating the system. End,
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ME is a troll; don't feed him.
Pontius, I suspect you're right.
Playing cat and mouse with the unsuspecting
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