What will the AFPRB say this year?
Any rumours leaking yet?
Previous AFPRB reports were:
08 Feb 96
06 Feb 97
29 Jan 98
01 Feb 99
15 Feb 00
09 Feb 01
29 Jan 02
08 Feb 03
23 Feb 04
22 Feb 05
16 Feb 06
01 Mar 07
07 Feb 08
31 Mar 09
So we are starting to get into the final staffing and release plan.
Come on let's hear the rumours...
Previous AFPRB reports were:
08 Feb 96
06 Feb 97
29 Jan 98
01 Feb 99
15 Feb 00
09 Feb 01
29 Jan 02
08 Feb 03
23 Feb 04
22 Feb 05
16 Feb 06
01 Mar 07
07 Feb 08
31 Mar 09
So we are starting to get into the final staffing and release plan.
Come on let's hear the rumours...
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They need to get a shift on if they are going to announce it before the General election is called as that may put a stop to announcements, including our pay award, in the build up to V-Day.
Interesting to note that PVR times for all are down to 6 months; I wonder if this is an early move to get rid of as many people as they can before redundancies are needed? That might fund a modest pay rise for the rest of us left in though. Maybe I'm reading too much into it?
Interesting to note that PVR times for all are down to 6 months; I wonder if this is an early move to get rid of as many people as they can before redundancies are needed? That might fund a modest pay rise for the rest of us left in though. Maybe I'm reading too much into it?
I find the whole pay issue particularly distasteful and dominated by politics rather than a fair recognition of what the Armed Forces as an entirity are worth.
When times are good and the private sector is coining it in and pocketing their bonuses, we can't get a significant pay rise as it might lead to unacceptable inflationary pressures. I think 6 figure bonuses and 'fat cat' pay might be more of an issue than 5% for a group of people earning in a year what many fat cats earn in a week.
When times are bad and the private sector are reaping the fruits of their efforts and bonuses are down or out, we must now share in their pain as to do otherwise would be politically unacceptable.
Anybody else see a degree of inequality here? Politicians. Can't live with them, can't shoot them.
When times are good and the private sector is coining it in and pocketing their bonuses, we can't get a significant pay rise as it might lead to unacceptable inflationary pressures. I think 6 figure bonuses and 'fat cat' pay might be more of an issue than 5% for a group of people earning in a year what many fat cats earn in a week.
When times are bad and the private sector are reaping the fruits of their efforts and bonuses are down or out, we must now share in their pain as to do otherwise would be politically unacceptable.
Anybody else see a degree of inequality here? Politicians. Can't live with them, can't shoot them.
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If we get above 1%, we are lucky. Otoh, Labour, knowing that their goose is cooked, may decide to lavish the public sector with huge pay rises to b*gger the incoming conservative government.
I would rather see 0% across the entire public sector tbh, no-one can complain then.
Oh, that includes MPs.
Its amazing to hear about major procurement projects across the public sector that are getting locked in over the past 6 months; its almost as if the Labour party are destroying the future of the country because the electorate are planning to vote Tory.
Pathetic really. I really hope for a hung parliament.
I would rather see 0% across the entire public sector tbh, no-one can complain then.
Oh, that includes MPs.
Its amazing to hear about major procurement projects across the public sector that are getting locked in over the past 6 months; its almost as if the Labour party are destroying the future of the country because the electorate are planning to vote Tory.
Pathetic really. I really hope for a hung parliament.
I can live with 0% if it helps out UK PLC. The problem being, that I see the money being hosed up against some wall in pursuit of votes, rather than paying off debt.
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MGD, I agree. I would take a 0% payrise if they promised to stop F*cking my savings through printing cash to pay for the deficit.
Who would have thought the UK would follow what mugabe did?
Who would have thought the UK would follow what mugabe did?
Well, for those already retired from HM Forces:
From Hansard Written Answers for 19th Jan 2010.
House of Commons Hansard Written Answers for 19 Jan 2010 (pt 0001)
Armed Forces: Pensions
Nick Harvey: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what effect the negative level of retail price index inflation in September 2009 will have on the level of armed forces pensions in the next 12 months. [309734]
Mr. Kevan Jones [holding answer 11 January 2010]: Public service pension upratings are linked by primary legislation to those for additional state pensions, such as the state second pension, and the uprating in April 2010 will take account of the rate of inflation over the year to September 2009. As announced at the pre-Budget report 2008, legislation governing uprating for additional state pensions means that in the event of a negative Retail Price Index (RPI), benefit rates will be protected at least in nominal terms (i.e. not reduced on account of deflation), thereby providing an increase in support in real terms. The RPI change for September 2009 was minus 1.4 per cent., therefore benefits will remain at current levels.
So nothing if you have already gone.
Even worse, is the fact that whilst DWP Benefits (for the great unwashed in a lot of cases) rise, no mention whatsoever of any increase whatsoever for those receiving either AFCS or War Disablement Pensions instead of the equvalent 'civvy' DWP benefits.
It is a point not missed by many veterans.
From Hansard Written Answers for 19th Jan 2010.
House of Commons Hansard Written Answers for 19 Jan 2010 (pt 0001)
Armed Forces: Pensions
Nick Harvey: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what effect the negative level of retail price index inflation in September 2009 will have on the level of armed forces pensions in the next 12 months. [309734]
Mr. Kevan Jones [holding answer 11 January 2010]: Public service pension upratings are linked by primary legislation to those for additional state pensions, such as the state second pension, and the uprating in April 2010 will take account of the rate of inflation over the year to September 2009. As announced at the pre-Budget report 2008, legislation governing uprating for additional state pensions means that in the event of a negative Retail Price Index (RPI), benefit rates will be protected at least in nominal terms (i.e. not reduced on account of deflation), thereby providing an increase in support in real terms. The RPI change for September 2009 was minus 1.4 per cent., therefore benefits will remain at current levels.
So nothing if you have already gone.
Even worse, is the fact that whilst DWP Benefits (for the great unwashed in a lot of cases) rise, no mention whatsoever of any increase whatsoever for those receiving either AFCS or War Disablement Pensions instead of the equvalent 'civvy' DWP benefits.
It is a point not missed by many veterans.
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Thanks, Pete ... that made it all so clear. 
I know I talk cr@p occasionally, but that quote really said [not] a lot. How can people say such gibberish with a straight face?
Still, I'm now getting my State Pension, so that's OK. Possibly.
I know I talk cr@p occasionally, but that quote really said [not] a lot. How can people say such gibberish with a straight face?
Still, I'm now getting my State Pension, so that's OK. Possibly.
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The Treasury pay remit document sent to government departments says to give civil servants a payrise of between 0-1% for FY 10/11, except for those departments on multi year deals, i.e. the MOD. Multi year deals areare to be honoured. I'd expect the AFPRB pay rise to be around the 1-2% figure as the military have always got slightly more than the Civil Service.
The Treasury pay remit document sent to government departments says to give civil servants a payrise of between 0-1% for FY 10/11, except for those departments on multi year deals, i.e. the MOD. Multi year deals areare to be honoured.
Public Sector Pay - HM Treasury
Thanks AB for the tip
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Mmm; see what you mean. Many years before James Bamford, the Puzzle Palace was also how we who worked out at the lesser London sites referred to Whitehall and MOD Main Building.
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Curious
AFPRB 2010 - BAFF - British Armed Forces Federation
So, it was given to the Fat Cycloptic Sweaty-Sock Unelected Loony Labour PM in January.....
Waiting for another bad-news day to hide it ?
God I hate this government and its lack of respect......
He has the information.... RELEASE IT !!!!
So, it was given to the Fat Cycloptic Sweaty-Sock Unelected Loony Labour PM in January.....
Waiting for another bad-news day to hide it ?
God I hate this government and its lack of respect......
He has the information.... RELEASE IT !!!!
There is still another 5 weeks before it has to be released....Why the hurry?
That's why there's a hurry. I couldn't care less how uncomfortable it is for the PM and his cronies to read the AFPRB's report, why do they not take this last final opportunity before they become unemployed and hopefully unemployable to do what is right and proper for the Forces rather than what is easy and politically expedient. For once.