Nimrod to go by March
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Would be nice if Mr Ainsworth or Mr Broone came to Cottesmore and Kinloss to have a bit of an open forum to at least face the people they are affecting.
It seems that recent media stories has the CGS and 1st Sea Lord posturing to fight their corner from cutbacks, maybe they should unite and provide a united front against the forcast 15-20% reductions. For years sucessive governments have been putting off and mismanaging procurement of our clapped out AT,SH and MPA forces so that now they are all on their knees at the same time and will cost cash that they starved from the MOD. Mr Prudence and no more boom and bust has taken this starvation to new levels. As the health, education and welfare budgets (the vote winning ones apparently) drain the country's resources he is going to further reduce the defence budget if he remains in power. No doubt the conservatives will do the same but then blame NuLabour for it (just as Labour do, with the pre 1997bunch that we keep hearing the PM refer to when he doesnt answer his questions in PMQ's and refers to figures that are manipulated). But then some military seniors do that also e.g. A 50% increase in annual spending per Nimrod became <0.1% if you didn't round it up the the nearest £m and went for the opposite end of the spectrum and took it at it's worst possible case. So we are where we are and who knows what the post SDR RAF will look like, but at the very least Mr Ainsworth or Broone, show some backbone and come to the stations and have an open forum ideally before your kicked out of office. Years of underinvestment have come home to roost, so wherever your are folks good luck and hang on for a bumpy ride ahead.
ps, fast jet types a question, what has been arranged to assist you should you have to bang out at long range (outside helo coverage) from the UK coastline and in what timescale post 31 Mar? Might be worth getting a brief from the ARCC to find out what the options are.
It seems that recent media stories has the CGS and 1st Sea Lord posturing to fight their corner from cutbacks, maybe they should unite and provide a united front against the forcast 15-20% reductions. For years sucessive governments have been putting off and mismanaging procurement of our clapped out AT,SH and MPA forces so that now they are all on their knees at the same time and will cost cash that they starved from the MOD. Mr Prudence and no more boom and bust has taken this starvation to new levels. As the health, education and welfare budgets (the vote winning ones apparently) drain the country's resources he is going to further reduce the defence budget if he remains in power. No doubt the conservatives will do the same but then blame NuLabour for it (just as Labour do, with the pre 1997bunch that we keep hearing the PM refer to when he doesnt answer his questions in PMQ's and refers to figures that are manipulated). But then some military seniors do that also e.g. A 50% increase in annual spending per Nimrod became <0.1% if you didn't round it up the the nearest £m and went for the opposite end of the spectrum and took it at it's worst possible case. So we are where we are and who knows what the post SDR RAF will look like, but at the very least Mr Ainsworth or Broone, show some backbone and come to the stations and have an open forum ideally before your kicked out of office. Years of underinvestment have come home to roost, so wherever your are folks good luck and hang on for a bumpy ride ahead.
ps, fast jet types a question, what has been arranged to assist you should you have to bang out at long range (outside helo coverage) from the UK coastline and in what timescale post 31 Mar? Might be worth getting a brief from the ARCC to find out what the options are.
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Amazing Brown I cant recall ever coming to Kinloss especially after post 06, correct me if im wrong but I like many hundreds at the base were OOA for a long time.
Ainsworth came to Kinloss a few times but from all the conversations that was had he left more hated than when he arrived.
Politicians have a job and its not nice , you cant keep all happy but Gordon Brown surely is up for eviction.
As a Scotsman Im very dissapointed and I cant wait to have an Englishman back in charge
Ainsworth came to Kinloss a few times but from all the conversations that was had he left more hated than when he arrived.
Politicians have a job and its not nice , you cant keep all happy but Gordon Brown surely is up for eviction.
As a Scotsman Im very dissapointed and I cant wait to have an Englishman back in charge
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As a Scotsman Im very dissapointed and I cant wait to have an Englishman back in charge
Very sorry to hear of the connies being binned, had the same happen to me 23rd Dec, only in Europe.
Not a lot of work around just now.GR
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Plenty of slots for the Kinloss Aircrew ??
Just where are these slots for the now un-needed Kinloss Aircrew??
Most of the AEOp guys I speak with are looking at naff holds around the country in the hope of getting back involved with the MRA4, if it or Kinloss still exists post SDR.
What about the MR2 Flight Engineers ? There's about 20 or so of them up there and only a couple have been offered any role as a FE. Most are having to sell up at short notice, relocate their families to another part of the Nation and will not even be FEs any more, they are likely to be LMs for the rest of their time.
Many I know are content with a restream however, the jobs on offer are all the cr@p jobs that even the LMs didn't want to fill. It looks like a bit of a poor show i.e. take the job away early and then shove them into the sh!t!e5t jobs too. Sweet.
Good luck fellas.
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Most of the AEOp guys I speak with are looking at naff holds around the country in the hope of getting back involved with the MRA4, if it or Kinloss still exists post SDR.
What about the MR2 Flight Engineers ? There's about 20 or so of them up there and only a couple have been offered any role as a FE. Most are having to sell up at short notice, relocate their families to another part of the Nation and will not even be FEs any more, they are likely to be LMs for the rest of their time.
Many I know are content with a restream however, the jobs on offer are all the cr@p jobs that even the LMs didn't want to fill. It looks like a bit of a poor show i.e. take the job away early and then shove them into the sh!t!e5t jobs too. Sweet.
Good luck fellas.
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Nimrod R To 2015? Or Another Communication Error?
Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Dalton - Defense News
Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Dalton
Britain's Chief of Air Staff
Published: 15 February 2010
Q. Is that the same for SIGINT? What replaces the R1 Nimrods? Rivet Joint?
A. The R1s are staying until 2015, but a number of possible solutions to meet the requirement of Project HELIX to replace the Nimrod R1 capability have been identified. We expect to make a decision shortly. We are looking for a complementary, interoperable and compatible capability to that provided by the R1, and the Rivet Joint option certainly provides that. Discussions are ongoing.
Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Dalton
Britain's Chief of Air Staff
Published: 15 February 2010
Q. Is that the same for SIGINT? What replaces the R1 Nimrods? Rivet Joint?
A. The R1s are staying until 2015, but a number of possible solutions to meet the requirement of Project HELIX to replace the Nimrod R1 capability have been identified. We expect to make a decision shortly. We are looking for a complementary, interoperable and compatible capability to that provided by the R1, and the Rivet Joint option certainly provides that. Discussions are ongoing.
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Knowing that if you have to fit the other one for fast jet operations you can do that, even if it takes months or years
Years, eh? Well, he’s grasped that. So how about Upkeep periods then? No strike carrier?
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The MRA4 support solution in the first couple of years will be a simplified version of a traditional R&O service which means that the "Partnered Support" solution that was being designed by BAE has effectively been frozen with a view to re-visiting it in the future - but we know it never will of course.
The solution that BAE designed has cost the taxpayer more than £180 million. That's a not insignificant sum to flush down the toilet. If the public knew how much of their money was being continually wasted because of the incompetance of the senior officers, they'd be sickened.
The solution that BAE designed has cost the taxpayer more than £180 million. That's a not insignificant sum to flush down the toilet. If the public knew how much of their money was being continually wasted because of the incompetance of the senior officers, they'd be sickened.
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ANW.
Yes I know that the conversions are being carried out at Woodford, but I had heard a story that some flying training was to be undertaken at Warton. Could be wrong.
DV
Yes I know that the conversions are being carried out at Woodford, but I had heard a story that some flying training was to be undertaken at Warton. Could be wrong.
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Bone Question time here - and sorry if I've missed the answer elsewhere. Now that the R1s are apparently being replaced by RJs, what is happening to the 3 prototype MRA4s? How much work would be required to bring them up to production standard?
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There is only 2 prototype MRA4s remaining , PA3 is being dismantled to be made into PA12 and the 2 remaining are to be sent to Kinloss to join the list of MR2s for scrapping. Thats only what I heard 
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Trial Emperor
Not sure if this is the correct thread, but it is part of the Nimrod story.
In the very early 70's, torpedo (MK 46?) release and tracking trials were carried out on the Autec range, Andros Island. Two Nimrod Mk1's were involved; does anyone know the tail numbers? I know that on the last sortie we loaded up nine "fishes" and they all went.
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In the very early 70's, torpedo (MK 46?) release and tracking trials were carried out on the Autec range, Andros Island. Two Nimrod Mk1's were involved; does anyone know the tail numbers? I know that on the last sortie we loaded up nine "fishes" and they all went.
DV