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Old 15th Nov 2009, 08:13
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Heights Good

Where the hell do you get off thinking that just because you have a clue what you are talking about that people on this forum should have to listen to your side of things!?

Where would all the threads about airworthiness/A400/JSF etc be if people with facts and knowledge thought that they had a right to an opinion.

Honestly, youth of today..........
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Old 15th Nov 2009, 08:24
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I wonder how Chinook crewmen would strap into/onto an oils box - for that is their seat when operating up front. Hmmm, better off on a monkey harness I'd wager.

At risk of complete thread hijack here (sorry), isn't it ridiculous that this oil box situation still prevails...?
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Old 15th Nov 2009, 10:45
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Slippy customer, yer Loady.
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Old 15th Nov 2009, 12:56
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The real scandal about the 'oils box' is that the crewman steals the cushion from the jump seat - meaning the QHI is even more uncomfortable!

How's that for thread drift?
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Old 15th Nov 2009, 20:24
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Shame the harness is still not crashworthy and still requires manual adjustment............!
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BBC NEWS | UK | British troops get delayed Merlin

Didn't think ours were fitted for AAR...
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Old 16th Nov 2009, 09:11
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always have been...

just got to buy some tankers now!!

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Excuse my ignorance, but where is the probe?
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Old 16th Nov 2009, 10:32
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In the Role Bay! It is not fitted as standard.
Unlike the BBC to randomly grab an image off the internet!
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Old 16th Nov 2009, 18:34
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Maybe they meant the RN version which is capable of in flight refuelling
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Old 16th Nov 2009, 22:05
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OK I'll bite on the HIFR

Yes, how the "A" frame gooseneck in the cab made us laugh when we first saw it, now it's how strong your crewy is, and how much they trust his/her harness. (back to that harness again). Not much call for the Naval version of HIFR in the desert (malfunctions apart), and not much call for the probe version at sea (most naval vessels can HIFR a cab if need be). Jolly Jack doesn't use the probe. (ooer!)
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Old 16th Nov 2009, 22:10
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Originally Posted by mystic_meg
Excuse my ignorance, but where is the probe?
Here it is:



All the Mk3 aircraft were delivered with probes, but they're (generally?) no longer fitted (as you've noticed )

The Mk3As don't have 'em - presumably because the Danes didn't ask for the capability.

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Old 17th Nov 2009, 08:45
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That's going to have to be pretty quick to keep up with a VC10!
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Old 17th Nov 2009, 10:06
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Probes

ALL Mk3 aircraft have probe provisions (plumbing etc already in), the RAF just havent procured enough for each aircraft. It is role fit.

All the DMRH are also plumbed for AAR hence the Mk3As also have the provision. RDAF have also not procured probes for all their aircraft

Of course as neither the RAF or RDAF have a suitable helo AAR tanker in their fleets the probes arent much use.

AWH finished the proof of concept trial with a Mk3 last year so it all works, just need an RTS now ( I am sure the RAF will jump at the chance to AAR if they ever get it)

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Old 17th Nov 2009, 11:50
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Well, there's another role for the Js, I think Sargent-Fletcher did/do a RoRo AAR pack specifically for the Herc, course QQ would take forever to ensure it didn't interfere with the Microwave or bog.
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Old 17th Nov 2009, 11:55
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That's going to have to be pretty quick to keep up with a VC10!
AAR can be done if the need is there, done it myself, at night, on NVG in a different type. There are other, slower, tankers in the world, but just not necessarily with RAF markings.
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A bit like this....

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Old 17th Nov 2009, 12:10
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AWH finished the proof of concept trial with a Mk3 last year so it all works, just need an RTS now ( I am sure the RAF will jump at the chance to AAR if they ever get it)
Wasnt a Mk3, it was CIV01 - AW Trials aircraft fitted with BERP IV, trial carried out over chesil beach/ charmouth areas last year behind an italian air force tanker
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Old 17th Nov 2009, 14:01
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Wasnt a Mk3, it was CIV01
I think you may find that it was RAF01 ZJ117 that was used.
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Old 17th Nov 2009, 16:28
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Strange - didn't see the pictures of the Mk3 lying on its side, looking a bit second hand, on the Def Web page today. RAF PR machine must be slipping up.

Is that where the £40 million cost went...........surely it will polish out?
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