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Well, there's suprise. It would appear that the response will now come close to the Summer Recess, thereby giving little time for reply or due debate.
Not only that, but yet more delay for the families of those lost in the accident. How much longer are these fine people expected to suffer?
To the leaders of our magnificent men and women of the Armed Services, you should hang your head in shame.
You are all gutless
My thanks to everyone who has helped increase the EDM total. Fantastic stuff folks.
We will do the right thing for Jon and Rick, and we will not go away!!
Rant over!
Regards as always
Brian
"Justice has no expiry date" - John Cook
Not only that, but yet more delay for the families of those lost in the accident. How much longer are these fine people expected to suffer?
To the leaders of our magnificent men and women of the Armed Services, you should hang your head in shame.
You are all gutless
My thanks to everyone who has helped increase the EDM total. Fantastic stuff folks.
We will do the right thing for Jon and Rick, and we will not go away!!
Rant over!
Regards as always
Brian
"Justice has no expiry date" - John Cook
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Thanks for the info TL Thou. Lord Bach wasn't clear in the debate as to whether he was referring to the Lords recess or the Commons (Lords presumeably), however it sounds like we can expect a response in 4-5 weeks time.
In the meantime, keep up the pressure on the EDM - 101 names on it now. Most recent signatories were: Mark Fisher (Stoke On Trent, Lab); Andrew Mackay (Bracknell, Con) and Jeff Ennis (Barnsley East and Mexborough, Lab).
Party wise, the numbers are:
Conservative Party 21
Democratic Unionist Party 5
Labour Party 46
Liberal Democrats 18
Plaid Cymru 4
Scottish National Party 3
Ulster Unionist Party 4
Pretty good cross-party support - that's got to tell the MoD something!
In the meantime, keep up the pressure on the EDM - 101 names on it now. Most recent signatories were: Mark Fisher (Stoke On Trent, Lab); Andrew Mackay (Bracknell, Con) and Jeff Ennis (Barnsley East and Mexborough, Lab).
Party wise, the numbers are:
Conservative Party 21
Democratic Unionist Party 5
Labour Party 46
Liberal Democrats 18
Plaid Cymru 4
Scottish National Party 3
Ulster Unionist Party 4
Pretty good cross-party support - that's got to tell the MoD something!
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What a handy lesson in UK democracy this has been - I've discovered more about how our lives are run through this site and its links that at any time before. Having left the unit the crew belonged to 3 weeks before the crash, and having flown with all 4 of them at various times over the preceding 4 years, I have a particular interest in seeing justice done.
It's a pity the Lib Dems here in W Devon haven't quite caught up with the 21st century yet. The local MP lists neither email nor website on the Parliamentary pages, and his own party's site gives an email address which is invalid. Shame he hasn't signed up yet - unlike his 18 fellow party-member MPs - particularly as he's ex-military, but I'll just have to keep on pestering.
It's a pity the Lib Dems here in W Devon haven't quite caught up with the 21st century yet. The local MP lists neither email nor website on the Parliamentary pages, and his own party's site gives an email address which is invalid. Shame he hasn't signed up yet - unlike his 18 fellow party-member MPs - particularly as he's ex-military, but I'll just have to keep on pestering.
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Mark Oaten, L-dem MP for Winchester, e-mailed me to say that he has signed the EDM. Thanks to Chocks Wahay's useful link, I checked but didn't actually see his name down, so I will check again on Monday.
David Cameron MP, Tory Boy member for the constituency which includes the Secret Oxfordshire Airbase, was e-mailed asking him to sign this EDM.
So far he has neither signed nor replied to the e-mail. But I note that he'll be attending the Annual Reception at said aerodrome fairly soon..........
Who will we vote for next time........
So far he has neither signed nor replied to the e-mail. But I note that he'll be attending the Annual Reception at said aerodrome fairly soon..........
Who will we vote for next time........
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Oh Beags, you wouldn't - would you? Nah! I just can't picture you at the ann recep button-holing your MP - much!
Give him hell! My own MP has yet to reply to my e-mail asking him to sign the EDM. I'll give him another week then go for the jugular.
I remember an ann recep where I was in a group hosting our local mayor (so far left wing, he made Michael Foot look like Ghengis Khan!). When asked if he would like another drink, he replied 'Yes, since the taxpayer was paying, he might as well'. The Wg Cdr leading the group, in a very loud voice and in no uncertain terms, pointed out to the civil dignatory that the entire evening was financed personally by all the officers of the base - said Lord M went bright red and left shortly afterwards. He was never seen in the mess again.
Brian, do you have a brief available of the essential facts? The sort of thing a busy MP could skim through in a few minutes and would give him the info to convince him of our cause? I have it in mind to interview him at a constituancy surgery, but I want him to have a skeleton brief first so that he will have a clue as to what we're on about. I can then appraise him in detail of negligence, airmanship and BOI procedures (I've been president of several board and unit inquiries in my time, so I think I can convince him).
And then, as you say Beags, there's the spectre of the next election...
Give him hell! My own MP has yet to reply to my e-mail asking him to sign the EDM. I'll give him another week then go for the jugular.
I remember an ann recep where I was in a group hosting our local mayor (so far left wing, he made Michael Foot look like Ghengis Khan!). When asked if he would like another drink, he replied 'Yes, since the taxpayer was paying, he might as well'. The Wg Cdr leading the group, in a very loud voice and in no uncertain terms, pointed out to the civil dignatory that the entire evening was financed personally by all the officers of the base - said Lord M went bright red and left shortly afterwards. He was never seen in the mess again.
Brian, do you have a brief available of the essential facts? The sort of thing a busy MP could skim through in a few minutes and would give him the info to convince him of our cause? I have it in mind to interview him at a constituancy surgery, but I want him to have a skeleton brief first so that he will have a clue as to what we're on about. I can then appraise him in detail of negligence, airmanship and BOI procedures (I've been president of several board and unit inquiries in my time, so I think I can convince him).
And then, as you say Beags, there's the spectre of the next election...
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EDM now up to 103 with more MPs promising to sign - great stuff!!
FJJP - I've sent something via e-mail. Let me know what you think. If it's any good, I'll put it on the thread for all to use if they want to. I only highlighted a few things, as there are so many areas of doubt it would have ended up the size of a book!!
If you direct your MPs to the campaign web site, they can not only read all that is on there, but use the links to get more information.
Also remind them of the constitutional issue of the MoD ignoring Parliament. Ask them if they obey the MoD, or does the MoD obey the elected members. That won't sit too well.
Keep up the good work everyone. It is making a difference.
Regards as always
Brian
"Justice has no epiry date" - John Cook
FJJP - I've sent something via e-mail. Let me know what you think. If it's any good, I'll put it on the thread for all to use if they want to. I only highlighted a few things, as there are so many areas of doubt it would have ended up the size of a book!!
If you direct your MPs to the campaign web site, they can not only read all that is on there, but use the links to get more information.
Also remind them of the constitutional issue of the MoD ignoring Parliament. Ask them if they obey the MoD, or does the MoD obey the elected members. That won't sit too well.
Keep up the good work everyone. It is making a difference.
Regards as always
Brian
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FJJP - no, I don't think that chest-poking the local MP at the Annual Reception would be particularly helpful to this campaign.
Perhaps a list of MPs who have been e-mailed but who have yet to reply would make an interesting addition to the campaign website.........
Perhaps a list of MPs who have been e-mailed but who have yet to reply would make an interesting addition to the campaign website.........
After two weeks, my MP, Robert Walter (Con) has only sent me a card acknowledging receipt of my letter.
Due to an error on the H of C website I also wrote to my neignbouring MP, Annette Brooks (Lib) who has signed the EDM.
After the last election I told Walter that I was one of the million voters they had to win back if they wanted to win next time. He's not doing too well so far.
Due to an error on the H of C website I also wrote to my neignbouring MP, Annette Brooks (Lib) who has signed the EDM.
After the last election I told Walter that I was one of the million voters they had to win back if they wanted to win next time. He's not doing too well so far.
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If they don't reply, or take ages, simply ring up the House of Commons 020 7219 3000 and ask to speak to them directly. That will make sure your letter gets to the top of the pile even if you speak only to the secretary.
In the case of Robert Walter, remind him that his Party Chairman is playing a leading part in the campaign, and that he would be very happy for him to sign it.
TL.
In the case of Robert Walter, remind him that his Party Chairman is playing a leading part in the campaign, and that he would be very happy for him to sign it.
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My MP, Michael Ancram, wrote to me saying that as a member of the shadow cabinet he wasn't allowed to sign EDMs that haven't been officially tabled by the oposition...
Seems like a silly rule to me...
Ian
Seems like a silly rule to me...
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We could ask the Party leader for an explanation of this rule?
https://www.conservatives.com/feedback.cfm
I have used feedback form this before, and have recieved replies...
https://www.conservatives.com/feedback.cfm
I have used feedback form this before, and have recieved replies...
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EDM 829 now stands at 105! 2 more since this morning!!
MP's e mailed for others to send another to:
As regards the suggestion of a list of MP' contacted...
David Wright, Telford.
George Stevenson, Stoke-on-Trent South
1st and Deputy ministers of the Northern Ireland assembly, (David Trimble and Mark Durkin), asking for themselves and to ask thier party members to condider this motion...
(Does anyone know who Ann Wintergreens, South Cheshire)replacement is)?
MP's e mailed for others to send another to:
As regards the suggestion of a list of MP' contacted...
David Wright, Telford.
George Stevenson, Stoke-on-Trent South
1st and Deputy ministers of the Northern Ireland assembly, (David Trimble and Mark Durkin), asking for themselves and to ask thier party members to condider this motion...
(Does anyone know who Ann Wintergreens, South Cheshire)replacement is)?
ColDurb - do you mean Ann Winterton (Congleton)? According to the parliament web page, there's no MP named 'Wintergreen', nor a constituency of South Cheshire...
If you do mean Winterton (sacked for racist joke telling), she's still the MP. She was replaced as shadow minister for rural affairs by David Lidington.
If you do mean Winterton (sacked for racist joke telling), she's still the MP. She was replaced as shadow minister for rural affairs by David Lidington.
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Winterton! Ahh, thanks...Yes, Congleton. Just a hop and a skip from my home on the border.
What Im doing, because my MP has allready signed the motion, is wrting to niegbouring MP's...(I'm pretty new to politics, but there ave been so many names to remember, thus the mistake regarding her surname..). So, if she is still an MP, and NOT shadow cabinet minister, then she is, (according to Conservitive policy), able to sign 829:
(Which is now at 107...)
Thanks Archimedes. (Now where did I get Wintergreen from?)...
What Im doing, because my MP has allready signed the motion, is wrting to niegbouring MP's...(I'm pretty new to politics, but there ave been so many names to remember, thus the mistake regarding her surname..). So, if she is still an MP, and NOT shadow cabinet minister, then she is, (according to Conservitive policy), able to sign 829:
(Which is now at 107...)
Thanks Archimedes. (Now where did I get Wintergreen from?)...
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