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Jobs in Saudi Arabia

Old 26th May 2001, 13:15
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Fancy loads of tax free money in a country where the sun always shines? You can sell your soul to British Waste o Space and do just that in Saudi Arabia – but be careful. The Company might be the same one that built the jets you have enjoyed flying or working on for years in an organisation that looked after you well but they are not to be trusted to the same extent you once trusted the military. They have a contract with a police state and they seem unable or unwilling at the moment to exercise any influence on behalf of their workforce.

So, if you need the dosh, read your contract carefully before you sign it. Watch out particularly for job descriptions that sound a bit like General Duties and phrases like “as determined by the Company”. Do not under any circumstances trust the Company to interpret anything fairly or in your favour and insist on a full job description that you are happy with. If you are new to employment contracts, run yours by a solicitor before you sign it. Remember that you will be working directly for the Saudi Air Farce and they will screw you around if your job description allows them to – they will try even if it doesn’t!

You also need to be aware that, once in Saudi, you will be a virtual prisoner and will only be permitted an exit visa if the Saudi Air Farce and the Company agree to give you one. Weekend visits to Bahrain, Jordan or Dubai will only be possible infrequently and with plenty of notice. The Company will hold your passport and even a compassionate exit will take some time to arrange.

If you think you can try the job and bail out if you don’t like it, remember that you will have to pay tax on your salary if you have not completed a full tax year abroad (April to April)– so May is a very bad month to start!
 
Old 26th May 2001, 15:34
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So life as a mercenary has its downside then? Those who think that there's "Money for Nothing" might well learn a lot from your post!

Personally I prefer the freedom, pubs, rain, bacon sandwiches, lack of Ramadan and lack of public executions in the UK to having 'all the gold you can eat' in the Kingdom. Even if we are shafted by non-pensionable flying pay on which many of us pay 40% tax, plus having to fly clapped-out old wrecks for HMFC!

Anyone who wants to trust BWoS mercenary scheme - BEWARE!!
 
Old 29th May 2001, 11:24
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Hey Beagle, come to Dubai and join Emirates. You'll have to trade Ramadan for the rain but that just means you won't be able to drink booze at lunchtime, unless you are in your house or your mates house for a month. That shouldn't be too much heartache as long as you remember to stop at the offy.

As for pubs, there are more of those than you can shake a stick at but the ones in Dubai have babes in, not some knackered old farmer whining about foot and mouth. So you'll be able to drink beer, stare at babes and eat bacon sandwhiches that don't send you loopy. You will miss out on the discussions about whether or not the last 18 months rain has anything to do with global warming or whether or not the weather in the Uk is just crap.

Also no executions, no tax and lots of shiny new aircraft. And horror of all horrors they have even taken an F-111 mate from Oz and a brit FJ pilot straight from the military.

Your choice, live in a rainy country with loads of tax or live in a sunny place, sometimes a tad too sunny but beats rain, and visit the rainy place twice a month to see just how dull the grass really is on the other side of the fence.
 
Old 29th May 2001, 22:12
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Yes - have to agree that Dubai is a much pleasanter place for a Brit than the Kingdom! Had a great week there in 1989 when we tanked the first GR5 Harrier out to the Dubai Air Show. Everything you say is right on the money! And the Emirates cabin crew we met were really top ladies!!

If you're flying for Emirates, say 'Hi' to "D'Rekly" when he turns up!!

[This message has been edited by BEagle (edited 29 May 2001).]
 
Old 30th May 2001, 00:30
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A response to this thread from a 172 instructor in Riyadh has been deleted. Is this an example of censorship in response to an external request or is it just a quirk of the system. Anyone out there able to offer an opinion?
 
Old 31st May 2001, 01:28
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Cyrus and BEagle

You can have cake etc etc. I am one of those mercenaries, and yes fully agree with your first post. However, you do not have to give up the Queen's shilling. Be a secondee.
 
Old 31st May 2001, 06:11
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Do secondee's pay tax, what is their wage compared to BAE, do thet get 'free' family care [housing, school etc...] Do they get similar leave entitlements/restrictions etc. to their 'civvie' mates.


Just asking...


 
Old 31st May 2001, 06:30
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Hey BEagle.

I fly clapped-out old wrecks in HMFC ... Harrogate Model Flying Club.

Sorry ...
 
Old 31st May 2001, 10:31
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Sorry mate - I'd better start calling us "HM'sFC" then!
 
Old 31st May 2001, 15:24
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L J R:

I returned from a tour in Saudi as a secondee just over a year ago. You pay and conditions are exactly the same as a BAe company man; ie no tax, free accommodation, same leave entitlement etc. The best bit as a secondee is having the RAF "safety net". ie if it all goes wrong you can come back to the RAF instead of being unemployed v quickly.

I enjoyed my 2 & 1/2 years & saved a shed load of money, but it's not everyones cup of tea.
 
Old 31st May 2001, 19:34
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LJR

Salaam Alaykam

Concur with Mactor, however, you still get treated as described by Cyrus. You need to grow elephant skin and drop your hi RAF standards, and when they get you down, stare lovingly at your paycheck. By the way it's not good out here for the other half unless you have some small sprogs to keep them occupied!!.
 
Old 2nd Jun 2001, 20:25
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Cyrus,

I have the honour of sailing in the same ship of fools as Saudi Satan. Basically what you said is correct. Can't risk "upsetting the customer" now, can we?

Greed is good...........
 
Old 15th Jun 2001, 18:17
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I hear that BWoS have just fired the only manager at Dhahran who was prepared to stand up for the workforce when the customer was 'out of order' and that was at the direction of the customer. Guess it is a Saudi-run company now - why bother to pay the ex-pat managers?
 
Old 19th Jun 2001, 18:00
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Hey Cyrus,
don't you just love the way this company does business!

Beats me why you don't leave and get a life!
 
Old 19th Jun 2001, 22:08
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billie

I thought cyrus had already left.

If you can't stand the heat......
 
Old 20th Jun 2001, 03:00
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I worked as a crewchief at DHA until recently, no bacon, no pubs, no drinking where were you ? I had a great time whilst i was there, sure there where a few little incidents but you get that anywhere. All the shops are open from 0900 - 2130, NO street crime, you can park your car in the middle of town leave all your shopping on the back seat in full view with the doors unlocked and it will still be there when you get back try doing that i some of our towns. there was only 1 chop in Kho whilst i was there (3.5 years) and when my trainee told me what the guy had done he deserved it. I dont know when it will be but i'll certainly be going back.

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With Ice Please
 
Old 20th Jun 2001, 13:01
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I've been told by BAe that Tabuk has Two SQNs of Hawks - One teaching Air to Air and One teaching Air To Ground. Is this a fact, or rumour by BAe.

Does RSAF 'Stream' its FJ to be studs.


..... Just asking.

 
Old 20th Jun 2001, 15:05
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LJR,

Yep, Tabuk currently hosts 2 Hawk squadrons. One does conversions, the other lead-in fighter training.
RSAF pilot cadets are trained at Riyadh, and do about 12 hours "screening" on a C-172 before completing the rest of the course on the PC-9 to "wings" standard. Thereis no "streaming" as such during this course.
 
Old 20th Jun 2001, 15:10
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LJR,

Forgot to mention.....think v.carefully if you want this job. It's based in Tabuk, and although I have not been there I understand the place is a $%^&ing dump. A lot of the current Hawk drivers are apparently less than impressed.
Any Tabuk based Hawk drivers may care to elborate.
 
Old 20th Jun 2001, 20:34
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Utterly awful place! Where weird BWoS types sit around counting their money whilst drinking a filthy concoction of Kaliber, Jeddah Gin.....and gravy browning.
 

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