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Old 21st Jun 2001, 12:44
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Warning, article from today's DT:

"HUNDREDS of British expatriate workers are stranded in Saudi Arabia because their exit visas have been frozen as a result of a row between a Saudi prince and the defence contractor, BAE Systems, relatives said last night.

The ban has infuriated Britons in Dhahran, where they are working on the aerospace company's 50 billion Al-Yamamah contract to supply Tornado jets and other defence equipment. It comes at a time when many expatriates are preparing to return home for the summer holidays or meet relatives in nearby Bahrain.

Even cases of compassionate leave have been blocked, said relatives. It is unclear how many people have been affected, as some of the Britons are on short one-off contracts and have been able to leave, while others have multiple re-entry visas.

British consular staff in Dhahran last night were holding an emergency meeting with senior officials from BAE Systems to resolve the dispute. Senior officials at the Foreign Office tried to limit the damage, saying the row was "no big deal". One said: "There is no blanket ban. People are going on holiday. It's business as usual."

The brother of one British expatriate said the news of the travel ban emerged earlier this week. He said: "There are two rumours circulating among BAE staff as to the source of the dispute. One is that BAE didn't take the prince to the Paris Air Show, the other that they wouldn't give him a new computer.

"Whatever the source of the disagreement, the freedom of movement of expat workers is being seriously infringed on the whim of the prince." The management of BAE Systems has put up a notice telling workers: "Due to circumstances beyond our control, no visas are being issued until further notice."

A spokesman for the company said: "My understanding is that the problem is bureaucratic rather than anything else. At this time of year there is an unusually large number of people seeking exit visas and it takes time to process them." He denied reports that a senior manager at Dhahran had been forced to resign because of the row."
 
Old 21st Jun 2001, 15:02
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No, I think the senior manager has been sacked because of the row. Prince had to buy his own computer and his travel to the Paris Airshow wasn't booked with his preferred company...........personally...glad I left DHA.

Good luck to all of you stuck there while this is going on!!
 
Old 22nd Jun 2001, 09:34
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Glad to hear you got a life, Cyrus.

Understand princey who demanded the only good BwoS manager be fired already had loads of computers out of the project. So, he fires the chap who is incorruptible, refuses to sign the blokes visas and what does the Company do about it? Wonder who paid for the Paris Airshow visit??

Anyone got a Pentium 4 with gold plating and sand filter?
 
Old 25th Jun 2001, 08:15
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Double H,

Was the sim instructor sacked for being a "naughty boy", or in the interests of "Saudisation"? Happened to a recently-arrived sim instructor at Riyadh a short time ago. He was replaced an indigeneous type with NO instructional background!

If it wasn't for the money.............
 
Old 25th Jun 2001, 08:15
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Double H,

Was the sim instructor sacked for being a "naughty boy", or in the interests of "Saudisation"? Happened to a recently-arrived sim instructor at Riyadh a short time ago. He was replaced an indigeneous type with NO instructional background!

If it wasn't for the money.............
 
Old 25th Jun 2001, 08:16
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Double H,

Was the sim instructor sacked for being a "naughty boy", or in the interests of "Saudisation"? Happened to a recently-arrived sim instructor at Riyadh a short time ago. He was replaced an indigeneous type with NO instructional background!

If it wasn't for the money.............
 
Old 25th Jun 2001, 09:23
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Double H,

Was the sim instructor sacked for being a "naughty boy", or in the interests of "Saudisation"? Happened to a recently-arrived sim instructor at Riyadh a short time ago. He was replaced an indigeneous type with NO instructional background!

If it wasn't for the money.............
 
Old 25th Jun 2001, 09:33
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..That's one way to increase your post count, I suppose...
 
Old 27th Jun 2001, 17:10
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T & B,

Yeah......sorry about that!! Must have the shakes from too much "filthy concoction of Kaliber, Jeddah Gin.....and gravy browning".

Double H,

Pointing out the truth is VERY naughty!!
 
Old 28th Jun 2001, 11:36
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Double H,
Does "wasta" mean "clout"?
 
Old 28th Jun 2001, 13:20
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Gainesy,

Get yer knees brown! - as they used to say in the pre-Islamically correct days of yore.

Too right - wasta implies all shades of influence, be it family, wealth, "holiness" or whatever.
 
Old 28th Jun 2001, 14:37
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T&B,
Ta, presumed it did but then it could have been a shortened version of Wastaspace
 
Old 28th Jun 2001, 18:20
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A couple of points for the aircrew still left in Saudi.

Firstly, someone in BwoS has sold you out to the customer by telling him that you will do any task within your ability as part of the contract – that might explain why he screws you around but it probably contradicts the job title in your letter of offer. I never saw a job title ‘Universally employable aviation operative’ when I was there and I bet no one has got one now. You might ask the Company to define what duties your job title entails and I’ll speculate that they get a bit evasive.

Secondly, is there a collective reason why the customer has recently demanded the dismissal of a simulator instructor in Dhahran, a senior engineer in Riyadh, a senior manager in Dhahran, a senior simulator instructor in Khamis and has grounded two instructors in Tabuk for well over two months to date for no reason? Answers on company notepaper please.

Finally, a note on the computer saga.

Understand several employees were prevented from removing their personal laptops from place of work for this week end. Apparently they had the dedication to use their own laptops at work because the only computer the customer would provide from the countless millions invested in Al Yamamah was a clapped out 386 and even that had to be given a private hard drive in order to store anything worthwhile. Maybe there is a more worthwhile destination for the gold plated Pentium 4.
 
Old 28th Jun 2001, 19:38
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Hey, Billie, yes I have a life!

Ref the laptops, maybe they impounded them to keep the boys off pprune!
 
Old 29th Jun 2001, 09:48
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Billie,

Quite right!! Contract IPs basically run the show because the indigeneous types are too lazy/stupid etc to do it.
All "exec" positions (fltcdr, schedulers, staneval etc) are run by white boys, and even if one of those positions is filled by a Saudi, he will have a contractor assistant - so guess who does ALL the work!!
It's a perfect set up from their point of view I guess - if something goes wrong, blame the white boy!
When was the senior engineer in Riyadh dismissed?
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Old 29th Jun 2001, 15:28
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CSD

The week before last, I hear.

For 'interrupting during a meeting'.

Land of free speech?
 
Old 30th Jun 2001, 14:43
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Yes - go for the money but be careful, and expect things not to go as advertised. Corruption is very much alive at the top levels in Saudi and BAe as anyone who has worked there can tell. Yet for all the cash and huge amounts of oil flowing to the UK and big salaries paid by BAe, the RSAF continues to be ripped off badly, and pitiful and pathetic examples are legendary.

Photocopier held together by stickytape, QFIs accused of stealing toner from said machine, all hell broke lose for using blue ink instead of black, maint release always done in pencil to escape blame if minor mismatch occurred, buying own material to get work jobs done, catering for the whims of individual locals who have permanent bipolar disorder, having to tell your mates they are about to be sacked because the local bosses are so spineless, etc...

And the comment about puting the flack jackets on is so right!

A pity the houseofsaud wbsite disappeared...but try www.angloarabia.com/
or www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,288254,00.html

 
Old 6th Jul 2001, 08:35
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Quiet week - nobody fired?

Understand UPs now limited to >200kts <30 deg pitch - what is unusual about the rest of the envelope!

Still, if it keeps the contractors from getting the blame!!

Keep drinking the Jeddah.
 
Old 6th Jul 2001, 15:51
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Heard that a senior engineering type at Riyadh quit suddenly. Seems his parents won about 4 million pounds in the lotto!! Talk about a fantasy come true.
Good luck to him!!!!
 

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