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Old 20th Aug 2009, 17:53
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Royal Navy J31's

Does anybody have any info on the J31's paid off by the RN recently
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Old 26th Aug 2009, 06:12
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re The Jetstreams

They are stored in a hangar at RAF Cranwell..... Just for your info they weren't paid off by the Navy ! You have to look at a lighter shade of blue for the answer !
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...and also

...didn't the light blue do a very similar deed to the RN Chipmunks in the 80's?(poss early 90's). Said they were being withdrawn from service, and after the RN gave them up, the RAF then carried on operating their own for a few more years, anyway.
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Old 27th Aug 2009, 20:20
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plus

wouldn't have surprised me .....
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Old 29th Aug 2009, 09:29
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Why stored? Are they not being put on the market? If not, why were they withdrawn? Thought they were a pretty useful asset.
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Old 29th Aug 2009, 13:06
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Wait..

how are they training observers now then? Or is that done on a different type?
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Observer training will be done by King Airs, though I think those Jet Streams are in service for a while yet.

The ex-Heron Flight Jet Streams are nearly worthless on the Civil market as they do not have civvy certification and IIRC the part numbers are different to civvy ac too so they cannot be broken and sold for spares. Only hope would be a foreign military, but with the whole world turning to King Airs I'd suggest that it's pretty unlikely.

The scuttle over their withdrawl is that the former CAS didn't take kindly to being ferried around in an ac that said "Royal Navy" on it and engineered the flight's demise....
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Old 29th Aug 2009, 14:26
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The scuttle over their withdrawal is that the former CAS didn't take kindly to being ferried around in an ac that said "Royal Navy" on it and engineered the flight's demise....

He couldn't possibly have been so petty .....could he?

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PS Just recalled that petty is derived from French "petit" meaning small so could be appropriate in at least one sense!
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If anyone has a right hand windscreen available, for a non-flyer, a college in the south of England is looking for one. (plus some other bits)
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Old 29th Aug 2009, 15:06
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Well that would fit with the whole 'One Nation One Airforce' line he had been pedalling... after disembarking from a RN aircraft he'd look a bit daft...


I'm pretty sure that's just a malicious rumour though, surely?
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Old 29th Aug 2009, 22:03
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..this is a rumour site....
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Point taken
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Old 30th Aug 2009, 12:53
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and there's more......

it's not a malicious rumour .......
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At the risk of starting a rumour that the RAF is not seeking the demise of the RN on a ceremonial funeral pyre of HMS Victory (this is a rumour site after all....), I'd heard that the loss of Heron Flt was an RN decision, in the same way that the creation of JFH and the binning of the Sea Jet was an (undoubtedly painful) RN decision that the RN then sought to pin on the dastardly RAF - can't have it both ways, fellas...

In short, if the RN desperately wanted to retain the Sea Jet or Heron Flt then they could've done: but at the expense of something else they valued more.

(Besides, doesn't the Senior Service realise that the RAF High Command is far too disorganised to run something as complex as this sort of plan?!? )

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Besides, doesn't the Senior Service realise that the RAF High Command is far too disorganised to run something as complex as this sort of plan?!?

Ah, now you're talking!

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Not About the J31's but...

Taken from the RN Website...

750 Squadron conducts flying training in the Jetstream T Mark 2, a radar equipped version of the civilian Series 200 Jetstream. The aircraft is powered by two Turbomeca Astazou 16D turbo-prop engines, giving a maximum speed of 214 knots at sea level and a service ceiling of 25,000 feet. The minimum crew is one pilot and an observer, but there is a third crew seat in the cockpit and two radar/navigation consoles on the right hand side of the cabin from where the students conduct most of their training. Three additional seats are also available, giving the aircraft a normal passenger capacity of six. Combined with the aircraft's four hour endurance and 1000 mile range, this makes it a useful personnel carrier and the Squadron is often tasked in this role.
Since all these Jetstreams have a capable surface Radar (Same as the Sea king I think) then could these Aircraft not be deployed to take some of the SAR duties that the MR2 currently has? Ok, i would think some some Mods such as losing one of the Nav Consoles and also a method of deploying Life saving equipment would have to be figured out but there going to be available soon and it may relieve the Nimrods of precious flying hours.

Just a thought

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Old 31st Aug 2009, 04:00
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then could these Aircraft not be deployed to take some of the SAR duties
Like these ones?

But I have heard that the J41s (and presumably the 31s) are not being made any more, so spares may be a bit hard to find in the coming years.

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Old 31st Aug 2009, 12:35
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althenick,

Seeing as how they are about to be replaced at Culdrose by 4 contractor owned King Airs, I suggest that the scrap yard is the only place "ALL" these Jetstreams are destined for.
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Old 31st Aug 2009, 14:39
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I assume that it is designed for the purpose rather than a stone age weather radar from the 18th century which is almost completely unsuitable for a SAR role
That made me laugh Tourist. Not quite 18 century but I think this year is the 50th birthday of the radar. Still EW190 I take it? Must be one of the oldest pieces of kit in service.

I remember it was important that the 9 RPGT Indicators had Mod 21 embodied, which removed the fan, as 9 going at one time was deafening. Removal was possible because the original germanium transistors were upgraded to silicon. THAT says it all about the radar's vintage. I seem to recall the RPGT was to be extended; an extra 4 student and 2 instructor consoles. ISD was meant to be over 20 years ago. Don't know if it happened.

The 16 Mk2s were to have been upgraded with ASR360 radar, which was specified for the Mk3. But, that was spectacularly unsuccessful and the retrofit was cancelled, leading to the Mk3s becoming Admirals' Barges. The knock-on effect upset the RAF who had to retain the EW190/290 series as well. At one point a 2 Star blotted his copybook by visiting Emerson Radar in the US and saying "I want that (colour/processed) radar". This constituted a verbal contract which was just a little embarrassing.
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Old 31st Aug 2009, 21:06
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Someone makes a seemingly knowledgable statement about something which in fact they have no knowledge about without making a qualifying statement such as:-
"I have never seen the Jetstream radar and have absolutely no knowledge about it, but I assume that it is designed for the purpose rather than a stone age weather radar from the 18th century which is almost completely unsuitable for a SAR role"
for example...........
Tourist,

Like some on this forum I am a aviation Idiot. I do not pretend to know anything of any meaningfull depth upon the subject and I do bow to your infinitely supeior knowledge. And for this reason i'm sorry that I seemed to have caused you to spit your dummy out.
As for never seeing a Jetstream - Wrong! Ive not only seen one but damn near crashed at GLW on landing in one from Kirkwall.


As for the radar...

I was led to beleive by a Pilot (Ok not FAA - but he told me he was a pilot -many times over in fact) that the Jetstream had a Sea King Radar in it which I took to be of the MK6 variety and therefore I thought it may be of some use.

As for your comment about the Jetstream being unsuitable for the SAR Role - See Adam Nams post.
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