Pay Rise on 1st April 09?
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Yea.
I heard 12.25% for all ranks and 15% on flying pay....................
What do you think??
**** all would be my other guess.
By the time they realise it will be too late!!!
I heard 12.25% for all ranks and 15% on flying pay....................
What do you think??
**** all would be my other guess.
By the time they realise it will be too late!!!
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I have it on very good authority (P.F.M.A) that this year we will be getting(all ranks) a 5.75% rise 2.75 now and the remainder from July this year. You heard it here first folks....
I have it on very good authority (P.F.M.A) that this year we will be getting(all ranks) a 5.75% rise 2.75 now and the remainder from July this year. You heard it here first folks....
I'm guessing that now we are edging towards deflation, the square root of naff all. It won't stop the charges going up by double though. And we will still be expected to do our bit and spend the way out of Gordon's pit of despair.
With all of the leaflets and posters floating around the stns at the moment telling us that we should stay in the military because of the way that they "look after us"
, surely a poor payrise would make the current retention problem even worse...
SB
, surely a poor payrise would make the current retention problem even worse...SB
During a recession, where thousands are losing their jobs and the country needs to tighten its collective belt, does anyone seriously expect to see a great big pay rise paid out of the public purse? There are some seriously deluded people around here at times.
I'm just happy to be guaranteed a good wage for the next few years with a pension at the end of it. It's more than most in the UK can look forward to, poor buggers.
I'm just happy to be guaranteed a good wage for the next few years with a pension at the end of it. It's more than most in the UK can look forward to, poor buggers.
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My guess is 1.95%. Enough to make it look like they care, but not so much as to cause grief with coppers, nurses, firemen, teachers et al.
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Laar,
Ever thought about approaching PSF or whatever the f@ck it's called today and asking to be down banded or see if you can sort out some sort of pay reduction to salve your troubled concience.................
Ever thought about approaching PSF or whatever the f@ck it's called today and asking to be down banded or see if you can sort out some sort of pay reduction to salve your troubled concience.................
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I'm just happy to be guaranteed a good wage for the next few years with a pension at the end of it. It's more than most in the UK can look forward to, poor buggers.
If this does happen then I hope we will all have the good sense to take positive action and not just sit back and tolerate the Government stripping us of what is rightfully ours. I and every one of my peers only remain in service for that pension!
In my civilian workspace (electronics engineering), pay increments & bonuses have been suspended until further notice. There is no time limit on this suspension!
Take what you can get. - or leave and join Northern Rock.
Take what you can get. - or leave and join Northern Rock.
Seldom: Where did I say I'd like less pay? Or that I have a troubled concience?
If you weren't so busy reading between the lines, you'd see that my one and only point is that nobody can expect a healthy payrise in dire financial times, even more so when it's public servants of any description.
If you weren't so busy reading between the lines, you'd see that my one and only point is that nobody can expect a healthy payrise in dire financial times, even more so when it's public servants of any description.
Last Years AFPRB was published in early Feb - so assuming they are on a similar timetable this year most of the work must have been done in the Autumn before the true horror of the results of The Noo Labour Project set in - well lets hope so. But for next year....
Regarding pensions, IIRC (and I have long since lost the handy brochure) Armed Forces Pension are Negotiable Instruments which, again IIRC, puts them beyond the grubby hands of current politicians and would involve the overthrow of the Monarchy to effect a change. Stepping aside for someone with some legal training to explain..
Regarding pensions, IIRC (and I have long since lost the handy brochure) Armed Forces Pension are Negotiable Instruments which, again IIRC, puts them beyond the grubby hands of current politicians and would involve the overthrow of the Monarchy to effect a change. Stepping aside for someone with some legal training to explain..
2Planks - not quite, although I must admit it is tempting to goad them into doing away with our current schemes so we could have a good old scrap with Gordon et al.
Anyway, as for pensions being Negotiable Instruments, unless I have misunderstood, that's close but no cigar.
The Armed Forces Pension scheme comes under a bit of pensions law I believe is called Exceptional Pensions Laws, and the rules of the scheme are set out in prerogative instruments. These are not subject to approval, annulment or amendment by Parliament, but instead derive their authority directly from the Queen. In a related bit of legislation, the 1865 Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act sets out exactly what constitutes a prerogative instrument. For the RAF, this means QRs. From that, and assuming things haven't changed, then whoever decides on QRs would theoretically have the power to tamper with the pensions. So I'm guessing that would be the CAS, CDS etc in conjunction with Min State for Armed Forces (and prob the PM given the contentious nature of the decision) making a recommendation for Aunty Liz to approve and implement.
If that is so, I guess it would all depend on what was being offered to those at the top of the greasy pole in order to get their buy-in.
Anyway, as for pensions being Negotiable Instruments, unless I have misunderstood, that's close but no cigar.
The Armed Forces Pension scheme comes under a bit of pensions law I believe is called Exceptional Pensions Laws, and the rules of the scheme are set out in prerogative instruments. These are not subject to approval, annulment or amendment by Parliament, but instead derive their authority directly from the Queen. In a related bit of legislation, the 1865 Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act sets out exactly what constitutes a prerogative instrument. For the RAF, this means QRs. From that, and assuming things haven't changed, then whoever decides on QRs would theoretically have the power to tamper with the pensions. So I'm guessing that would be the CAS, CDS etc in conjunction with Min State for Armed Forces (and prob the PM given the contentious nature of the decision) making a recommendation for Aunty Liz to approve and implement.
If that is so, I guess it would all depend on what was being offered to those at the top of the greasy pole in order to get their buy-in.
In slightly more distant times, when the economy was still performing well (or the faults in it hadn't come to light), the UK military was getting annual payrises of about 2.5-3.5%. The government (or at least individual politicians) said they would like to award more, but didn't want to drive up inflation, which had a target of 2%. Meanwhile, civilian payrises could be 4-5% or even more (I remember one ex-military person talking about his 8% payrise in his offshore job). Thus, the civilian workforce was receiving benefits the public sector weren't.
Now, with the economy in trouble, civilian payrises are reduced, or cut altogether, while the public sector will no doubt continue to get something, so the public sector is better off. Public sector jobs are also generally more secure...
Its called swings and roundabouts.
As to the level of public sector pay, with deflation more of a factor than inflation, and the desire to pump money into the economy, you could try to construct an arguement that says the government should give the public sector generous payrises. It will make up for all those years when they, "would have liked to pay more", and help actually stave off deflation....
Of course, I can't actually see that happening!!! There will no doubt be, yet again, a good reason why the government can't pay "as much as it would like"...
Now, with the economy in trouble, civilian payrises are reduced, or cut altogether, while the public sector will no doubt continue to get something, so the public sector is better off. Public sector jobs are also generally more secure...
Its called swings and roundabouts.
As to the level of public sector pay, with deflation more of a factor than inflation, and the desire to pump money into the economy, you could try to construct an arguement that says the government should give the public sector generous payrises. It will make up for all those years when they, "would have liked to pay more", and help actually stave off deflation....
Of course, I can't actually see that happening!!! There will no doubt be, yet again, a good reason why the government can't pay "as much as it would like"...
Laarbruch 72, the childish replies by some on this thread show that the posters have clearly failed to grasp the reality that current Armed Forces pay rates and Ts&Cs are actually pretty good - not many in the private sector have such job security or full-term pension prospects.
It is also somewhat insenstive for Armed Forces personnel to quack on about pay rises when others, in the real world, are facing considerable financial difficulties, thanks in no inconsiderable part to Incapability '$hit' Brown and the idiot Darling.
Mind you, I'm darn glad I invoice in €uros...
It is also somewhat insenstive for Armed Forces personnel to quack on about pay rises when others, in the real world, are facing considerable financial difficulties, thanks in no inconsiderable part to Incapability '$hit' Brown and the idiot Darling.
Mind you, I'm darn glad I invoice in €uros...
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Are the Armed Forces now in a position that every year they EXPECT a pay rise....?
I think that this year in particular we should forego our pay rise in lieu of those people who cannot afford to pay their rent / heating bills. After all, we are one of the few occupations that have money left to burn at the end of the month
I think that this year in particular we should forego our pay rise in lieu of those people who cannot afford to pay their rent / heating bills. After all, we are one of the few occupations that have money left to burn at the end of the month