Stuck on some coursework (Navy Related)
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I am doing some course work on what roles and responsibilities does the Royal Navy have to offer, i was wondering if some one can tell me about the responsibilities of the following ranks on a Naval Air Squadron:
I am doing some course work on what roles and responsibilities does the Royal Navy have to offer, i was wondering if some one can tell me about the responsibilities of the following ranks on a Naval Air Squadron:
- Petty Officer,
- Chief Petty Officer
- Sub Lieutenant
- Lieutenant Commander
Petty Officer: Officer in charge of anything petty or trivial
Chief Petty Officer: Officer in charge of really petty matters.
Sub Lieutenant: Drives submarines
Lieutenant Commander: Drives lieutenants.
.....are not the correct answers. Sorry!!
Chief Petty Officer: Officer in charge of really petty matters.
Sub Lieutenant: Drives submarines
Lieutenant Commander: Drives lieutenants.
.....are not the correct answers. Sorry!!
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Ok I will change the title of my eassay to what ranks and responsibilities does the royal navy have, so what jobs may a;
Petty Officer
Chief Petty Officer
Sub Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
on a Naval Air Sqaudron
Thanks Wannab
Petty Officer
Chief Petty Officer
Sub Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
on a Naval Air Sqaudron
Thanks Wannab
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So, ignoring the comedy routines and in a completely out of character attempt to actually help the guy -
Disclaimer: I'm ex-RAF, I 'visited' the RN off and on over a fairly long career (on board various ships I regularly enjoyed using words like 'Floor, ceiling, wall, door' as it invariably drew the expected reaction....my favourite was the day I said 'I'm not lugging this up 6 ****ing floors' on RFA Argus).... so this is a bit of an outsider's view that I hope the dark blue will modify and correct:
PO: pretty low on the food chain, expected to know his a**e from his elbow on the kit he's meant to operate, limited supervisory function. Some PO's might well run small sections of lower ranks, but this guy doesn't tell too many people what to do most days.
CPO: Whilst still expected to do stuff and work the kit properly, expected to be a professional who can supervise lower ranks very effectively, may have a training role, the sort of person who forms the NCO backbone of most competent military forces. Irregularly advises junior officers on protocol. (This often takes the form of an arm round the shoulder after alcohol intake, when the officer is debriefed informally about his man management and leadership skills).
Subbie: A sort of fledgeling, often given odd jobs to help develop character, leadership, common sense - you know, the sort of chap who gets a leaflet entitled "So you want to be the VD officer?" in the internal mail. Given SOME responsibility to see how they handle it, but seldom left to conn the ship through fog banks unaided. About on a par with the PO in some ways, but allowed to wear a nicer hat.
Lt Cdr: Probably in charge of something - perhaps even the squadron, at least temporarily. A senior officer (only just, which means that when REALLY senior officers get together it's the youngest looking Lt Cdr who has to make the tea). Essentially somebody who will be a sqn exec, not just another pilot/ohbserver. Often allowed to talk to the captain. (eg 'One lump or two, sir?)
Protocol - CPO's will believe themselves superior to all except the Lt Cdr, who they will (grudgingly) allow to have the last word if they insist. Lt Cdrs will figure they're top of the tree. It's a toss up, but I'd have to say it'd be a very confident subbie who decided to put a CPO in their place. Subbie v PO - decided either on 3 falls, a submission, or a blowback in Uckers.
Both the subbie and the PO would be expected to make mistakes and need guidance - the subbie more than the PO I'd suggest.
The subbie has better promotion prospects than the CPO and PO.
None of the 4 can afford to get carried away on 'Talk like a pirate day'.
Do let me know if you'd like my guide the the Army at any point
Dave
Disclaimer: I'm ex-RAF, I 'visited' the RN off and on over a fairly long career (on board various ships I regularly enjoyed using words like 'Floor, ceiling, wall, door' as it invariably drew the expected reaction....my favourite was the day I said 'I'm not lugging this up 6 ****ing floors' on RFA Argus).... so this is a bit of an outsider's view that I hope the dark blue will modify and correct:
PO: pretty low on the food chain, expected to know his a**e from his elbow on the kit he's meant to operate, limited supervisory function. Some PO's might well run small sections of lower ranks, but this guy doesn't tell too many people what to do most days.
CPO: Whilst still expected to do stuff and work the kit properly, expected to be a professional who can supervise lower ranks very effectively, may have a training role, the sort of person who forms the NCO backbone of most competent military forces. Irregularly advises junior officers on protocol. (This often takes the form of an arm round the shoulder after alcohol intake, when the officer is debriefed informally about his man management and leadership skills).
Subbie: A sort of fledgeling, often given odd jobs to help develop character, leadership, common sense - you know, the sort of chap who gets a leaflet entitled "So you want to be the VD officer?" in the internal mail. Given SOME responsibility to see how they handle it, but seldom left to conn the ship through fog banks unaided. About on a par with the PO in some ways, but allowed to wear a nicer hat.
Lt Cdr: Probably in charge of something - perhaps even the squadron, at least temporarily. A senior officer (only just, which means that when REALLY senior officers get together it's the youngest looking Lt Cdr who has to make the tea). Essentially somebody who will be a sqn exec, not just another pilot/ohbserver. Often allowed to talk to the captain. (eg 'One lump or two, sir?)
Protocol - CPO's will believe themselves superior to all except the Lt Cdr, who they will (grudgingly) allow to have the last word if they insist. Lt Cdrs will figure they're top of the tree. It's a toss up, but I'd have to say it'd be a very confident subbie who decided to put a CPO in their place. Subbie v PO - decided either on 3 falls, a submission, or a blowback in Uckers.
Both the subbie and the PO would be expected to make mistakes and need guidance - the subbie more than the PO I'd suggest.
The subbie has better promotion prospects than the CPO and PO.
None of the 4 can afford to get carried away on 'Talk like a pirate day'.
Do let me know if you'd like my guide the the Army at any point
Dave
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I thought a PO was equal to a SNCO, a CPO = WOII and a Fleet Chief PO was equal to a WOI?
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Hi there,
I see you are living in Cornwall. Why don't you give the Culdrose public relations officer a call and ask about going in there for the day and actually talk to some of the people of those ranks either Engineers or Aircrew.
Depending on your particular trade there are obviously different levels of responsibility for each rank in question and there is a direct relationship to how inportant that partucular trad is in the big scheme of things. For example you can have a;
Petty Officer Steward. He makes sure that the officers mess is up to scratch If he messe up no big deal as the officer misses out on a cup of tea which he is capable of making himself anyway.
Petty Officer Aircraft Engineer. Now if he makes a mistake people can die
You see what I mean. They are both the same Rank but their responsibilities and consequences of their actions are worlds apart.
Then you have NCO Aircrew who are at the top of the NCO Food chain (Lol).
Hope this helps but seriously give Culdrose a call if you want to see for yourself as they entertain students all the time especially if you are thinking of joining. PM if you want any more info
I see you are living in Cornwall. Why don't you give the Culdrose public relations officer a call and ask about going in there for the day and actually talk to some of the people of those ranks either Engineers or Aircrew.
Depending on your particular trade there are obviously different levels of responsibility for each rank in question and there is a direct relationship to how inportant that partucular trad is in the big scheme of things. For example you can have a;
Petty Officer Steward. He makes sure that the officers mess is up to scratch If he messe up no big deal as the officer misses out on a cup of tea which he is capable of making himself anyway.
Petty Officer Aircraft Engineer. Now if he makes a mistake people can die
You see what I mean. They are both the same Rank but their responsibilities and consequences of their actions are worlds apart.
Then you have NCO Aircrew who are at the top of the NCO Food chain (Lol).
Hope this helps but seriously give Culdrose a call if you want to see for yourself as they entertain students all the time especially if you are thinking of joining. PM if you want any more info
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Of the two Aircrew Lt Cdrs I worked with when mobilised, one was Ops Offr for an Apache Sqn and the other was doing a stint as Ops Offr at JHF (A), so they do sometimes get trusted with a reasonable size of a train set.
Of the two Aircrew Lt Cdrs I worked with when mobilised, one was Ops Offr for an Apache Sqn and the other was doing a stint as Ops Offr at JHF (A), so they do sometimes get trusted with a reasonable size of a train set.
JHF(A) is renowned for it's inability to organise a piss up in a brewery, especially by the crews of all shades operating under it's bloated banner.
It is not a 'train set' as you describe it, but a staff college for the doubtful.
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Is it the actual ranks or the roles the actual ranks carry out within a squadron you require? Embarked squadron on a ship that is. The different surcoat colours also to differentiate.
Such as SMR, FDO, DSMR, FLOBS FLTCMDR etc.
Such as SMR, FDO, DSMR, FLOBS FLTCMDR etc.
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...what role(s)...does the Royal Navy have...
Wanab, you will need to learn the following:
'The Royal Navy goes to sea to defend itself. That's it.'
...what role(s)...does the Royal Navy have...
Wanab, you will need to learn the following:
'The Royal Navy goes to sea to defend itself. That's it.'
Actually I always thought a better Generalisation was
The Navy Officer goes to War with his men
The Army Officer sends his men to War
The RAF Officer is sent to War by his men......
Hence I did my time in the RAF
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The Army Officer sends his men to War - Not in WWI and WWII, in WWI average life expectancy of a young officer was about ten days in battle.
In the Navy you have officers wanting to be Gentlemen.
In the Army you have Gentlemen wanting to be Officers
In the RAF you have neither trying to be both!
In the Navy you have officers wanting to be Gentlemen.
In the Army you have Gentlemen wanting to be Officers
In the RAF you have neither trying to be both!
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Royal Navy Website!
..........or you could spend endless hours of fun browsing http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk and extract all the information you need for your project!
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