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Can someone please confirm or correct me with my observation that the RAF leadership tree looks like this?
Sec of State for Defence - Des Browne MP
-> Minister of State for Armed Forces - Bob Ainsworth MP
-->Chief of the Defence Staff - ACM Sir Jock Stirrup
--->Chief of the Air Staff - ACM Sir Glenn Torphy
---->C in C Air Command - ACM Sir Clive Loader
----->DCinC Ops - AM Iain McNoll
------>AOC 1Gp/AOC 2Gp/AOC 22Gp
Sec of State for Defence - Des Browne MP
-> Minister of State for Armed Forces - Bob Ainsworth MP
-->Chief of the Defence Staff - ACM Sir Jock Stirrup
--->Chief of the Air Staff - ACM Sir Glenn Torphy
---->C in C Air Command - ACM Sir Clive Loader
----->DCinC Ops - AM Iain McNoll
------>AOC 1Gp/AOC 2Gp/AOC 22Gp
The RAF leadership tree looks more like:
Station Commander
Wing Commanders
Squadron/Unit Commanders
Flight Commanders
SNCOs
NCOs
Above the top of this tree there merely extends a bureaucracy with management levels often misleadingly titled as Commanders, Commanders in Chief, etc
Station Commander
Wing Commanders
Squadron/Unit Commanders
Flight Commanders
SNCOs
NCOs
Above the top of this tree there merely extends a bureaucracy with management levels often misleadingly titled as Commanders, Commanders in Chief, etc
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Well there is a new word Leadership , something the military has yet to discover.
Just think of a triangle but place it upside down , too many saying we should do this and that but too little to actually do it .
Sooner this gets looked at then things can start to recover
Just think of a triangle but place it upside down , too many saying we should do this and that but too little to actually do it .
Sooner this gets looked at then things can start to recover
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Can someone please confirm or correct me with my observation that the RAF leadership tree looks like this?
4* 3
3* 6
2* 25
1* 96
Gp Capt 310
Wg Cdr 1190
Sqn Ldr 2620
Flt Lt 4130
FO/PO 1180
(as at 1 Jul 08)
The only real question I have is, where do we manage to employ 96 Air Cdres?
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Oh sorry is a WO officer not the most senior of the Senior Non Comissioned Officers???
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And they are both incorrect. They should read:
'WO's & SNCO's Mess' - This method then makes recognition of Flight Sergeants and Chief Technicians as well as Sergeants.
'WO's & SNCO's Mess' - This method then makes recognition of Flight Sergeants and Chief Technicians as well as Sergeants.
The only real question I have is, where do we manage to employ 96 Air Cdres?
Doing jobs what were once that of Wing Commanders and Group Captains. (Being official spies in other people's countries (AKA Air Attaches) and Commanding RAF Stations).
Is the not still the Air Force Board somewhere in the picture (for day to day policy matters at least).
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Close but not close enough, you might be right one day but not just yet. They should read:
WOs' and SNCOs' Mess
And they are both incorrect. They should read:
'WO's & SNCO's Mess' - This method then makes recognition of Flight Sergeants and Chief Technicians as well as Sergeants.
'WO's & SNCO's Mess' - This method then makes recognition of Flight Sergeants and Chief Technicians as well as Sergeants.
WOs' and SNCOs' Mess
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The abbrevation of a plural is not shown so that Warrant Officer and Warrant Officers is WO and the possessive for either is thus WO's.
However I believe it would also be correct to say Warrant Officers's Mess.
However many pedants would avoid this by eloquent variation and say Mess or Messes for Warrant Officers.