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Old 4th Sep 2008, 07:16
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A Country Fit for Heroes

From the BBC News Website

Soldier is refused room at hotel

A soldier home on leave after being injured in Afghanistan was refused a room by a hotel when he showed his military ID card at reception.
Corporal Tomos Stringer, 23, from Gwynedd, was visiting a wounded colleague in Surrey when he was turned away from the Metro Hotel in Woking.
He spent the night in his car after being told it was management policy not to accept military personnel.

The Metro Hotel is owned by a company called American Amusements Ltd, also based in Woking. No-one was available to comment.
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I think Michael the Manager deserves a few e-mails. He's got one from me.

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The BBC report here BBC NEWS | Wales | Soldier is refused room at hotel

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There was an earlier thread about which businesses give discount for military personnel. Perhaps it's time for a sticky to list all businesses which allow discounts and a list of those who discriminate against, such as the one above.
It was also reported on Radio 4 (in which interview I understand his mother said his friend had died).
I feel ashamed that ANY business can turn away people serving our Country, and wonder where the PC brigade are now?? Perhaps if he said he was Welsh, we'd then see all the full force of discrimination descend upon this hotel chain and any other businesses turning away service personnel.
Still, it's "Tommy this, and Tommy that" can't see the MoD wanting to stand up and get the politicos to do something....
Sorry, Tomos, don't know what this Country is coming to when things like this happen without any comeback.....
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Thanks Skipped, exactly want I wanted to know when I was listening to the story on R4 this morning:

"As it is your policy not to accept military personnel into your hotel, it is my policy that neither I nor anyone working for me will use any hotel in your chain."
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email sent. It makes my blood boil, it really does.

How a British citizen can be so ungrateful for people laying down their lives is, quite frankly, beyond me.
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Just in case he's too busy reading the e-mails the number is 01483-727100.
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I've noticed there's a distinct anti-services flavour in some places around the Guildford / Woking area.

There's a high contingent of gypsy enclaves over the wider area - what would appear to be a normal roadside traditional pub on the way into Guildford from say the Cranleigh direction was pointed out to me as the place where our pikey friends kindly supply funny substances ( I do not partake ! ).

I believe I'm right in saying there is no love lost between the army especially and gypsies, who have a largely Irish contingent.

In Guildford itself there is what at first glance seems a nice pub in a good location - when a colleague & I ( BAe ) went to the door we noticed a large sign saying " no armed services personnel ".

Foolishly we went in, and although we were not services, and I wouldn't have thought particularly looked like services ( not very short hair etc ) we were given VERY deliberately sh***y service, being moved from table to table until next to the loos despite the place being nearly empty.

The staff happened to be very distinctly Irish...Without finishing our 1 lunchtime pint we left, after giving some polite but firm customer feedback...

This was in the late 1980's.

I am not anti-Irish ( I do happen to be anti-gypsy, but only after direct experience personally and seeing what's happened to MANY colleagues ) - but in this area there does seem to be a link.

True, I'm sure groups of squaddies from Aldershot 'letting off steam' might be a problem for town centre landlords from time to time, but imagine the outcry from the P.C. quarter ( and violent retribution ) if anyone put up a sign saying ' no gypsies' !

Obviously some sort of 'name & shame' set-up is required for anti-services establishments; on the positive side, places which welcome well behaved services personnel could also be listed or encouraged to display their support with a window sticker campaign or something ?

That way forces-friendly public ( like me ) could show their support too...

I have not sent a mail to the outfit described above as the last thing I want to do is supply them with my details, but I'm sure they will be left in no doubt that they've lost a lot of trade from the public, not just forces - maybe the local M.P. can do something, I'll try to track him down.
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As for them losing trade, according to www.tripadvisor.com some chap who stayed there in August felt the need to say this about the Metro:

"The worst hotel I've ever stayed. The room wasn't ready-just 2 beds instead of 3. Then single room had used towels. We didn't get any breakfast but they charged it and on top of that they were saying we used the telephone even though we were not in the room!!!! And they charged us extra 80 pounds!!!!"

Don't think their immediate future will be particularly bright
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Maybe Top but there aren't a huge number of hotels in that area to choose from unfortunately.

Yes its true that the area has a high number of squaddies, but even if you reckon that they will cause trouble, they are going to be in barracks or other local accomodation. By definition anyone staying in a hotel is not from that the local camps.
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email sent. who do they think they are?
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The monkey who receives the e-mails, will be Michael Chaussy, who'll bin them probably, before the sole director of the company gets to see them. Talking of organ grinders..

MICHAEL RICHARD ERLE APPLETON
DOB 07/10/59

I won't print his home address in the local area, or even how badly or well his company is doing, because I'm better than him. I can show him more respect than he shows to those who make sacrifices to give other strangers overseas, the freedoms that he takes for granted on his own doorstep.

But if he has sanctioned this as blanket policy.. what a cnt.
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Ok,

Trying to be rational and calm about this - now this is where we will truly see whether the Government, local councils and the British public are really behind the Servicemen and women of the nation.

Wide publicity from the media, followed by pro-active investigation and questioning by the local council, enforced by a Governmental review.

Even if the last 2 (the local council and Government department) have no moral courage or interest, then if the British public genuinely and sincerely support Her Majesty's Armed Forces, then this chain could be out of business within a month as a boycott is widely enforced.

Now lets see if the British public really do support our lads and lasses when it counts or just providing hollow words and platitudes.
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Theres another way of looking at it, but you run the risk of becoming frenzied PETA type activists (and lets keep things in perspective, no one got killed here.. a guy had to sleep in a car).

But the company bank is RBS. If every Soldier, Sailor and Airman who banked with RBS just upped and left in protest at their bank bankrolling companies such as American Amusements who showed a corporate policy out of step with our own personal policy, then the message would soon get across.

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MaroonMan4,

Do you mean this Cross-Governmental review?

The nation's commitment

The Nation's Commitment: Cross-Government Support to our Armed Forces, their Families and Veterans
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There are some good guys out there. A mate has just dropped of a leaflet from John Smiths (the brewers). They've brewed a beer called 'Finest Hour'. 10p from every pint sold will go to RAFA.

Gives me another excuse to use my local.
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LBC Radio

James O'Brien is debating this on LBC 97.2. He's inviting calls, go online @ London's Biggest Conversation | LBC.

Let's really get this bloody place listed, Email has been sent to this pathetic organization. I just called and left the line open, he he naughty, but saved me swearing like a trooper.
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Epi,

Sadly I am not as well versed in the political level, but a sincere thank you for enlightening me. It will be interesting to see where this goes, because it is so very wrong on so many levels that it really does need some prompt action to ensure that this kind of 'policy' is stopped.

And I know that this is one rotten apple in a barrel of superb apples that are very proactive in supporting us, so it has to be focused and directed at this company.
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Has anybody asked him the reason for the policy in your emails? I don't think a small business is going to deliberately turn away customers without a business reason to do so.

Just a possibility, but maybe he has had a few too many service personnel drinking too much, being abusive to other guests, smashing up their rooms, then leaving without paying for the damage. I've never, ever, heard of service personnel doing that, of course, but it might be a possibility.
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Talksport

This item is being talked about on Talksport right now (the largest commercial radio station in the UK). Their frequency is 1053 and 1089 AM.

This whole thing makes me feel sick. My own company actively supports Help for Heroes, and gives 10% discount to forces, and their families. As a "past it old timer" I feel it's the least I can do to show my loyalty and support to our troops. At this point I somehow (sadly) feel that any politicians reading this may have to consult a dictionary to look up "loyalty"

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