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No, Helmut. Despite your rather weedy comment, I try to apply a single set of standards across my RAF life. You, however, apply many standards (at least as your overblown internet persona) and fail to meet them.
I also note that you don't wear the uniform any more. Therefore, your point is as a civvy and worthless when discussing uniform. Carry on.
I also note that you don't wear the uniform any more. Therefore, your point is as a civvy and worthless when discussing uniform. Carry on.
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I agree P_J.
However, why should people be allowed to wear these bands with uniform? Servicemen wearing them does not raise awareness - it is our job and we know. Wearing them doesn't raise money - you have already paid and you don't raise more the more you wear them - it isn't a sponsored elastic-bandathon wearing event.
I have some lovely t-shirts etc that were bought or provided in support of some excellent charities, both military and non-military, but I don't wear them to work. I wear uniform to work, but that doesn't degrade the charities or my donations. This is a fashion fad and nothing more - this isn't a 'good cause' issue for the points I made above.
However, why should people be allowed to wear these bands with uniform? Servicemen wearing them does not raise awareness - it is our job and we know. Wearing them doesn't raise money - you have already paid and you don't raise more the more you wear them - it isn't a sponsored elastic-bandathon wearing event.
I have some lovely t-shirts etc that were bought or provided in support of some excellent charities, both military and non-military, but I don't wear them to work. I wear uniform to work, but that doesn't degrade the charities or my donations. This is a fashion fad and nothing more - this isn't a 'good cause' issue for the points I made above.
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Christopher Robin,
I opened that picture and wanted to simply tell him to get another haircut. Is that what you meant?
I'm with Hinecap on this (in fairness, he is averse to wearing civilian accroutements at work, as he is to wearing service ones outside..) because aside from the fact we're overly sentimental nowadays anyway, why do we need to tell those who work with us who we support.. in principle, what is the need to do this? Perhaps its an age thing.
HfH can afford to rise above bandstanding, commercialism and obeisance when in uniform. The Royal British Legion is supported for a couple of weeks each year, and as a result, its impact is all the greater when we do see those poppies and when we do stop to think. So, regardless of whether you're a civvy or not.. less is more, especially when your brand has the moral high ground and when you shouldn't need to scramble around for publicity nickel and dimes. Nothing goes out of fashion quicker than fashion and if you're after the quick fix option now, I tell you with 100% certainty that in a couple of years.. the new batch coming up will want to have nothing to do with wearing that which was worn by yesterday's lot (ie; those who wear them today).
The long term view is needed if its long term success you're after.
I opened that picture and wanted to simply tell him to get another haircut. Is that what you meant?
I'm with Hinecap on this (in fairness, he is averse to wearing civilian accroutements at work, as he is to wearing service ones outside..) because aside from the fact we're overly sentimental nowadays anyway, why do we need to tell those who work with us who we support.. in principle, what is the need to do this? Perhaps its an age thing.
HfH can afford to rise above bandstanding, commercialism and obeisance when in uniform. The Royal British Legion is supported for a couple of weeks each year, and as a result, its impact is all the greater when we do see those poppies and when we do stop to think. So, regardless of whether you're a civvy or not.. less is more, especially when your brand has the moral high ground and when you shouldn't need to scramble around for publicity nickel and dimes. Nothing goes out of fashion quicker than fashion and if you're after the quick fix option now, I tell you with 100% certainty that in a couple of years.. the new batch coming up will want to have nothing to do with wearing that which was worn by yesterday's lot (ie; those who wear them today).
The long term view is needed if its long term success you're after.
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AL R
If you think Harry needs a haircut, I'd advise you to stay away from Bastion as you'll have a fit. That photo was taken at BZ upon his return from an operational tour.
Longer hair is a fact of life out at Bastion & it is not frowned upon, bigger things to worry about out there. I suspect you have not visited the place.
In reference to the wearing of bands in the long term, who gives a sh*t about what people will think in a few years time? It is now that matters & it would appear that the majority of serving personnel want to wear them. Perhaps the PC wagon should be dropped & H4H, along with other military charities, wristbands allowed at work.
Mr C Hinecap,
you are well out of order telling people to 'f**king man up' and stop wearing them. Get your arse out to Bastion & say that to 2 Para. Most of them are wearing them for a very good reason...
If you think Harry needs a haircut, I'd advise you to stay away from Bastion as you'll have a fit. That photo was taken at BZ upon his return from an operational tour.
Longer hair is a fact of life out at Bastion & it is not frowned upon, bigger things to worry about out there. I suspect you have not visited the place.
In reference to the wearing of bands in the long term, who gives a sh*t about what people will think in a few years time? It is now that matters & it would appear that the majority of serving personnel want to wear them. Perhaps the PC wagon should be dropped & H4H, along with other military charities, wristbands allowed at work.
Mr C Hinecap,
you are well out of order telling people to 'f**king man up' and stop wearing them. Get your arse out to Bastion & say that to 2 Para. Most of them are wearing them for a very good reason...
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Vive la difference!!
PP,
I'm aware of that, and no - I have not visited Bastion. And having once been personally bollocked by Mike Jackson for being the only person in theatre with hair longer than him I have no issues with defending a bit of flex. But Harry is invariably like that - certainly that I've seen - hence my use of the word 'another'.. whether on ops or in Chelsea.
I accept that I might be at odds with modern hangar Floor sentiment. Which is fine. Your attitude in general and towards Hinecap in particular makes me think its a 'them and us' device, which is fine too and has a use - certainly on ops. But whats it for again, raising the profile, making money, creating Esprit de Corps or generating a grass roots groundswell?
I still think it looks crap in uniform mind.
I'm aware of that, and no - I have not visited Bastion. And having once been personally bollocked by Mike Jackson for being the only person in theatre with hair longer than him I have no issues with defending a bit of flex. But Harry is invariably like that - certainly that I've seen - hence my use of the word 'another'.. whether on ops or in Chelsea.
I accept that I might be at odds with modern hangar Floor sentiment. Which is fine. Your attitude in general and towards Hinecap in particular makes me think its a 'them and us' device, which is fine too and has a use - certainly on ops. But whats it for again, raising the profile, making money, creating Esprit de Corps or generating a grass roots groundswell?
I still think it looks crap in uniform mind.
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I wear mine and so do many others in town, in fact on a visit to Air I saw a 1* wearing one. We all care but its as much about an individual show of support as much as solidarity against the inherent underfunding of 'our lot'. It also stops my Rolex rubbing on my wristbone
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Al R,
sorry, I did not mean to suggest an 'us and them' attitude. I was simply stating that most people who are wearing them are not wearing them as fashion accessories.
I also admit that it is all still a little close to home for me. Still trying getting back into a UK cycle. Perhaps more beer is the answer... I shall test that theory tonight!
Have a tip top weekend.
sorry, I did not mean to suggest an 'us and them' attitude. I was simply stating that most people who are wearing them are not wearing them as fashion accessories.
I also admit that it is all still a little close to home for me. Still trying getting back into a UK cycle. Perhaps more beer is the answer... I shall test that theory tonight!
Have a tip top weekend.
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You have nothing to be sorry for. Truth be told, if I was still in, I'd probably be wearing one too, although I'd be as likely to want to be a SWO ripping them all off with just as much gusto - such is the angst of being constantly tortured by these earth shattering problems.
I was one of those weirdos in the 80s who wore an earring in civvies. I almost had it yanked out by my FS who walked up behind me in Akr at the NAAFI, put his dog lead in it, and who told me he'd treat me like a dog if I wanted to look like a dog
. He was a great FS - utterly utterly squared away and who drive us hard.. although nowadays, that would stand for nothing and I'd be able to sue him and the Air Force, ruin his career and destroy his life I suppose.
I was looking at wearing of the bands from a different perspective from mine thats all - and enjoy testing the practical phase of your theory, you've earned it.
I was one of those weirdos in the 80s who wore an earring in civvies. I almost had it yanked out by my FS who walked up behind me in Akr at the NAAFI, put his dog lead in it, and who told me he'd treat me like a dog if I wanted to look like a dog
. He was a great FS - utterly utterly squared away and who drive us hard.. although nowadays, that would stand for nothing and I'd be able to sue him and the Air Force, ruin his career and destroy his life I suppose. I was looking at wearing of the bands from a different perspective from mine thats all - and enjoy testing the practical phase of your theory, you've earned it.
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Urgent.....vote closes 1pm tomorrow
Wristbands, schmistbands..wear it don't wear it. I can't wear mine at work, but do at other times. I know I've done my bit, but like others to be aware of the charity too.
More importantly, MoneySavingExpert.com is about to select the charity due to receive £20,000. H4H is currently in first place; voting closes at 1pm on 22 July.
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Some might say that the wearing of wristbands to show support for the various military causes is somewhat superfluous compared to the fact that you are wearing the uniform itself.
By all means wear whatever bangles you like in civvies.
By all means wear whatever bangles you like in civvies.
incubus - I tend to agree with you.
I'm not fond of bracelets or other jewellery - particularly facial scrap iron or ear rings (unless you happen to be a fisherman or pirate, who have traditionally worn such things) - but the watch strap, tie, cufflinks all look very smart (though probably not all worn simultaneously!). And the cummerbund looks ideal for the next black tie event I have to attend!
Good to see that H4H still has a 3% lead.
I'm not fond of bracelets or other jewellery - particularly facial scrap iron or ear rings (unless you happen to be a fisherman or pirate, who have traditionally worn such things) - but the watch strap, tie, cufflinks all look very smart (though probably not all worn simultaneously!). And the cummerbund looks ideal for the next black tie event I have to attend!
Good to see that H4H still has a 3% lead.
Good to see that H4H still has a 3% lead.
No time for complacency chaps and chapesses, keep voting!
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Bump.....the gap is closing
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Quite right. I don't see why people are getting het up about the enforcement of dress regs and QRs.
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AI R:
"I'm aware of that, and no - I have not visited Bastion. And having once been personally bollocked by Mike Jackson for being the only person in theatre with hair longer than him I have no issues with defending a bit of flex. But Harry is invariably like that - certainly that I've seen - hence my use of the word 'another'.. whether on ops or in Chelsea."
I thinks she spells it Chelsy
"I'm aware of that, and no - I have not visited Bastion. And having once been personally bollocked by Mike Jackson for being the only person in theatre with hair longer than him I have no issues with defending a bit of flex. But Harry is invariably like that - certainly that I've seen - hence my use of the word 'another'.. whether on ops or in Chelsea."
I thinks she spells it Chelsy
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Sent on Fri, 24 Jul 08 to all Stn Cdrs & OC PMS
The RAF Dress & Clothing Policy Committee recommended that the H4H wristband should be permitted to be worn with working dress only: this has been approved.
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Sent on Fri, 24 Jul 08 to all Stn Cdrs & OC PMS
The RAF Dress & Clothing Policy Committee recommended that the H4H wristband should be permitted to be worn with working dress only: this has been approved.
The RAF Dress & Clothing Policy Committee recommended that the H4H wristband should be permitted to be worn with working dress only: this has been approved.
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Wearing Help for Heroes Wrist Bands
The Help for Heroes (H4H) charity has much widespread support, both with the public and within the RAF. An overt sign of such support is achieved through the purchase and wearing of H4H wrist bands. Recognizing the wishes of many RAF personnel to demonstrate their support for their comrades by wearing such bands, a routine meeting last week of the RAF Dress & Clothing Policy Committee recommended that the H4H wristband should be permitted with working dress only and this has now been approved. No other style of wristband is authorized. Personnel should not wear wristbands if they would interfere with safe or effective conduct of their duties (for example: when training or when operating equipment or machinery). There will be other occasions when wearing the wristbands would be inappropriate and commanders are expected to exercise their discretion in applying this new policy. This policy will be reviewed at a point in the future consistent with the progress of the H4H campaign and in the first instance no later than Dec 08.
Can almost picture the steam coming from a few "mil cab' ears..........
Can almost picture the steam coming from a few "mil cab' ears..........
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