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Old 28th Nov 2008, 16:54
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Has anyone had an instance or heard of one where a person of dubious intent (outside of IT people ) has tried to get into a pit to do no good?
No, but then we have the keys.

The real p1sser is that they take way your super 19 inch TFT VGA socket monitor and replace it with a 17 inch monitor with a different plug.
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Old 29th Nov 2008, 00:13
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We keep hearing mention of this 'different' connector for the monitor... could someone describe it please? It must be carrying the same signal, such that a pin swapping device could be pretty easily knocked-up to sort it back to VGA (XGA if you want to be fussy)?
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We keep hearing mention of this 'different' connector for the monitor... could someone describe it please? It must be carrying the same signal, such that a pin swapping device could be pretty easily knocked-up to sort it back to VGA (XGA if you want to be fussy)?
Unless there's a compelling reason to have unique monitor connections, that nobody else in the world has apparently needed until now, the person who agreed to - or overlooked - that aspect of the contract should be hauled over the coals. Non-standard parts are the sort of thing an O Level business studies student could spot from 100 miles away as being a trap for a lucrative support contract monopoly, where 'specialist spares' just happen to cost 10x the market rate and need an approved technician to fit them...who happens to be from the original company. It's bordering on organised crime.

Personally, I would write into the contract of the contracts officer that they will be held financially responsible for any contract traps they lead the MoD into, where it would have been reasonable to expect them to have avoided them. That would concentrate the mind.
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I haven't looked recently but the male, VDU, connector has blades not pins. It might be a new industry standard, but when has Government IT been at the leading edge of technology?
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If it has blades and pins, then this would be the answer... if not, who knows!
DVI to VGA Gender Changers > Maplin
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Could be but I would need to check the plug/socket.

So DVI is new standard? After we have had VGA for, ooh, 20 years or more. Clearly time to force peopel to change their long life monitors.
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Just realised I inadvertently brought up gender benders... sorry!
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So DVI is new standard? After we have had VGA for, ooh, 20 years or more. Clearly time to force peopel to change their long life monitors.
Oooh, you old cynic , you!

I'll try to get a peep at the 'new' connector layout through the week and report back.
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The graphics cards in the Optiplexes are Dell specials designed for CAD work IIRC - Quadro FXs - they have dual outputs from a single socket.

This cable then has two outputs from it (for the dual display) and then both these are DVI style connectors.

edit: Almost forgot, here's a top tip for the DII computers. Don't have the left hand shift key pressed down on switch on

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DVI is the new standard.
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Originally Posted by bit-twiddler
edit: Almost forgot, here's a top tip for the DII computers. Don't have the left hand shift key pressed down on switch on
I guess what the Major really meant to say was:

"press the left hand shift key as you switch on."

If you ever switch off that is
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"DVI is the new standard."

Not quite true. DVI may be a newer standard than VGA, but the new standard is actually DisplayPort.

I suppose pretty typical of the MoD though, to be upgrading to an already superceded standard.
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Originally Posted by HaveQuick2
"DVI is the new standard."

Not quite true. DVI may be a newer standard than VGA, but the new standard is actually DisplayPort.

I suppose pretty typical of the MoD though, to be upgrading to an already superceded standard.
Ah, that explains it. The very idea that the MOD would be at the bleedin
edge.

The system is truely wonderful. It throws up obscure warning messages telling you to do something but omits to tell you how. Installing a piece of new software was a revelation, not just to me but to the help desk too.
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This is making me weep, DVI is not a new standard. It has been about for nearly 10 years now. I know there is a lot wrong with DII but having a monck on about the video connectors is a moan to far.
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Odium, no it isn't. Atlas are removing perfectly good 19 inch and larger VGA VDU and replacing them with 17 inch DVI VDU. Then, if you want a 19 inch you have to make a business case to buy a new 19 inch display.

You can bet your bottom dollar that there will be no refund for the 17 inch DVI that they remove.

As for DVI being around for 10 years, is it not odd that every computer provided in the last 8 years has been VGA? That commercial computers have VGA and rarely DVI?

I know one is digital and the other is analogue but what is the technical advantage of change as there appears to be no economical advantage?
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Your being "standardised" - then at a later date a certain company can then make more money by up-grading you to where you started off from!
I beleive that the 'Discovery' survey was supposed to identify larger screen users, the question was then asked if it was a requirement for you to have them, if nothing was forthcomming or it was deemed that you were not an essential user you were "standardised".
Watch out for a large number of 19" flat screens appearing on eBay!
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...what is the technical advantage of change as there appears to be no economical advantage?
You didn't finish your sentence:

...to the MoD.
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The graphics cards in the Optiplexes are Dell specials designed for CAD work IIRC - Quadro FXs - they have dual outputs from a single socket
Dear God what are you talking about...? Complete and utter gobbletheduke....

Why does DII need video cards and graphics cards and quadro FX's....? All it needs to provide is an function that will allow you to send Emails and some sort of Spreadsheet / Word programme....
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If the digital analogue change was correct, the adaptor I pointed out would not work.... (DVI + gender bender = VGA or XGA etc.). It does.
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Spheroid, we actually Dii/f is intended to 'deliver network enabled capabilty' in the words of those in Starship Enterprise and now selling ground heat pumps or double glazing.

I think the secret of all this goobledegook is that the stars don't understand what they are told. Rather than ask or try and re-write in plain English, thus proving they don't know, they simply reiterate what they have been told.

Emperor's clothes and all that.

As someone said earlier, the mistake is to equate seniority with the ability to understand detail. Remember Tony Blair and George Bush couldn't use computers.
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