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The leadership activities and speeches are on a variety of topics and are impromptu. This all happens on the second last day. The final day(Friday) is the OSB. 
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The leadership activities and speeches are on a variety of topics and are impromptu. This all happens on the second last day. The final day(Friday) is the OSB.
I take it, they give you the topics?
When you say OSB, thats the grilling by the panel (chairman, instructor and psyche etc)?
I went through all this as a military ATC wannabe but it was so long ago, Alan Border was the Test captain and England held the ashes then as well.
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Yo, the topics are put to you and the OSB is the 'grilling' you so accurately described.
p.s. Steve Waugh was the greatest captain ever!! Aspiring ADF leaders could learn a lot from that man. Ponting would be cowering in the trenches!!
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p.s. Steve Waugh was the greatest captain ever!! Aspiring ADF leaders could learn a lot from that man. Ponting would be cowering in the trenches!!
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Thank you sir.
Border, Taylor and Waugh were all fine leaders in their unique ways and styles. Ricky just doesn't cut it.
P.I.C.S.I.E (plan initiate control support inform evaluate) would be a bed mate for Ricky's garden gnome.
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Border, Taylor and Waugh were all fine leaders in their unique ways and styles. Ricky just doesn't cut it.
P.I.C.S.I.E (plan initiate control support inform evaluate) would be a bed mate for Ricky's garden gnome.
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Track, experiences vary. I was never "grilled" but others were.
Track, experiences vary. I was never "grilled" but others were.
Too many bullsh!t artists out there. And, quite frankly, if you can't cop some pressure in a suit and tie it doesn't bode well if things start failing as the tubes are flying around at 8 miles-a-minute.
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@ Septerra
I'm also looking at these two locations for glider training, so I'd be curious to know how you go and which one you choose.
I wasn't able to find many other locations around Melbourne, but gliding is certainly going to be the way to go for me given a tight budget.
I just found http://www.lilydaleairport.com.au/ which has a section on gliding, the page looks pretty out of date though so I'm not sure if the prices are current etc.
Let me know how you go.
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I'm also looking at these two locations for glider training, so I'd be curious to know how you go and which one you choose.
I wasn't able to find many other locations around Melbourne, but gliding is certainly going to be the way to go for me given a tight budget.
I just found http://www.lilydaleairport.com.au/ which has a section on gliding, the page looks pretty out of date though so I'm not sure if the prices are current etc.
Let me know how you go.
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I just recieved a call from my case manager and was told I had to have a 2nd non-pilot preference (I said aero engineer) and at my assessment day I will be asked about both. This is the first I've heard of the assessment day part. Has everyone else had to do this? And was it 50-50 on each in one interview, two separate interviews or one interview with most of the content on your first preference?
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Hi there,
My board wasnt particularly grilling at all, (I walked out smiling and slightly confused, because I was smiling), relatively, after the very busy two weeks of flying about and spending your spare time doing your "secondary duty" (especially in the last few days, unless you get an easy one) it was a relief to do something you couldn't completely prepare for. They look at who you are, you can't go in there and say you have outstanding maturity and leadership levels if you don't. They want to see what kind of person you are, and if your the one they want to spend some serious money on.
As others have written:
HONESTY and INTEGRITY work well. Essentially that is what you need, and some confidence. Approach the group activities in a positive way. I enjoyed my board interview, which I did not expect.
Good Luck to everyone in the process.
My board wasnt particularly grilling at all, (I walked out smiling and slightly confused, because I was smiling), relatively, after the very busy two weeks of flying about and spending your spare time doing your "secondary duty" (especially in the last few days, unless you get an easy one) it was a relief to do something you couldn't completely prepare for. They look at who you are, you can't go in there and say you have outstanding maturity and leadership levels if you don't. They want to see what kind of person you are, and if your the one they want to spend some serious money on.
As others have written:
HONESTY and INTEGRITY work well. Essentially that is what you need, and some confidence. Approach the group activities in a positive way. I enjoyed my board interview, which I did not expect.
Good Luck to everyone in the process.
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Thanks for that bit of info mate. I am now a little relived that, I might yet be able to squeeze a satisfactory amount of flying time [hopefully solo] within the short period available to add weight to my file before its off to the PSA.
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Certainly mate. Hopefully if things go as planned, I must be able to experience gliding the weekend after. I shall keep you informed about where I start and how it all goes, through PM's. Looks like we are in a similar situation. I haven't checked the link you posted yet, but should be able to once Im home.
@Shonfield
I gave my second preference as Army SSO Pilot and my first as RAAF. I am unsure why you were asked to mention a non pilot role as a second preference.
Thanks for that bit of info mate. I am now a little relived that, I might yet be able to squeeze a satisfactory amount of flying time [hopefully solo] within the short period available to add weight to my file before its off to the PSA.
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Certainly mate. Hopefully if things go as planned, I must be able to experience gliding the weekend after. I shall keep you informed about where I start and how it all goes, through PM's. Looks like we are in a similar situation. I haven't checked the link you posted yet, but should be able to once Im home.
@Shonfield
I gave my second preference as Army SSO Pilot and my first as RAAF. I am unsure why you were asked to mention a non pilot role as a second preference.
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Shonfield,
I too was required to have a non-pilot preference for my third preference.
Although on assessment day I asked both the defence interviewer and psychologist to be only tested for my two pilot preferences (RAAF ADFA and RAAF DEO) which they allowed.
So if its something you don't really want to do but rather just to have a non pilot job down because it was requested of you, mention it to your defence interviewer and psychologist as soon as you start so you can just be assessed for pilot.
Lacho
I too was required to have a non-pilot preference for my third preference.
Although on assessment day I asked both the defence interviewer and psychologist to be only tested for my two pilot preferences (RAAF ADFA and RAAF DEO) which they allowed.
So if its something you don't really want to do but rather just to have a non pilot job down because it was requested of you, mention it to your defence interviewer and psychologist as soon as you start so you can just be assessed for pilot.
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G'day all,
Just to clear some things up,
@tony360, from a page or two ago, there is adfa specific testing, it usually occurs at the end of your testing at your YOU session.
@shonfield, your case manager is 100% wrong. You don't need a non pilot preference at all, you can have all 3 preferences as pilot options if you wish. You will be assessed on every preference you have down, but like as was mentioned you can opt out of assessing for a particular preference at the start of the interview. In that regard there is one interview, not 2 or 3 separate ones. If you opt out though and are not recommended, you will have to re sit the interview for the one you chose not to interview for the first time.. Make sense?
Anyone else in this boat should call their case managers and politely correct them.
Just to clear some things up,
@tony360, from a page or two ago, there is adfa specific testing, it usually occurs at the end of your testing at your YOU session.
@shonfield, your case manager is 100% wrong. You don't need a non pilot preference at all, you can have all 3 preferences as pilot options if you wish. You will be assessed on every preference you have down, but like as was mentioned you can opt out of assessing for a particular preference at the start of the interview. In that regard there is one interview, not 2 or 3 separate ones. If you opt out though and are not recommended, you will have to re sit the interview for the one you chose not to interview for the first time.. Make sense?
Anyone else in this boat should call their case managers and politely correct them.
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Probably a question thats been previously answered but I've been out of the firm for over a decade.
If you pass the flying and leadership assessments but flunk the board what happens then? Can you re-apply?
I know a WGCDR that failed 3 boards but that was preFSP in the 1980s.
If you pass the flying and leadership assessments but flunk the board what happens then? Can you re-apply?
I know a WGCDR that failed 3 boards but that was preFSP in the 1980s.
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Raf A Joke!!
Firstly i would like to say to all those on here who are looking at a career in this field of the RAF........DONT BOTHER!! The whole outfit are a JOKE!! I've had the displeasure of being flown around the world by them for the past 22 years and can honestly say i've only ever flown on time twice without delays!!
I know that there are thousands that share this opinion having also being let down by this 'apparently' professional organisation! Even the RAF guys that i am currently serving with share my opinion! (Says it all really!)
Secondly if this was a civilian outfit they would have gone out of buisness years ago!! We are currently stuck in a location where it is costing over 10 grand a day in delays.......totally unacceptable in these unsteady times post SDSR!
Thirdly and lastly the RAF have too much of a good thing at times and therefore haven't got the 'Can Do' attitude, which is why no matter how much 'dripping' from others goes on things will never change! Surely it would be more cost effective to charter flights than pay for an organisation that is poor at timing, results and delivering what it says on the tin!
I know that there are thousands that share this opinion having also being let down by this 'apparently' professional organisation! Even the RAF guys that i am currently serving with share my opinion! (Says it all really!)
Secondly if this was a civilian outfit they would have gone out of buisness years ago!! We are currently stuck in a location where it is costing over 10 grand a day in delays.......totally unacceptable in these unsteady times post SDSR!
Thirdly and lastly the RAF have too much of a good thing at times and therefore haven't got the 'Can Do' attitude, which is why no matter how much 'dripping' from others goes on things will never change! Surely it would be more cost effective to charter flights than pay for an organisation that is poor at timing, results and delivering what it says on the tin!
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You do know that this entire thread, who knows how many pages and posts is about the Royal AUSTRALIAN Airforce?
Granted over here is hardly the green grass on the other side of the fence.....
A tad jaded are we?
You do know that this entire thread, who knows how many pages and posts is about the Royal AUSTRALIAN Airforce?
Granted over here is hardly the green grass on the other side of the fence.....
A tad jaded are we?
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I am especially glad to be applying for the RAAF, and not the RAF...check this out:
Up to 100 pilots to be sacked as part of a $480m cost-cutting exercise | The Australian
@ Track:
I'm still waiting for a spot at flight screening but from what I understand there are 3 outcomes at the conclusion of OSB:
You are awarded a recommendation to enter service. Or...
You are handed a 'not yet recommended' i.e return in 12 months. This means that the board sees potential...but you're just not showing it. An applicant pilot can only ever complete the flying component of FSP once - and their score stands. Not sure how many times the board will bring you back though to OSB though...
Lastly - and of course, the least desired....not recommended to enter service.
I have heard many stories of applicants acing the flying component but flunking the board. You have to show a potential and willingness to LEARN, not show-off by exemplifying how much of an ace you think you are....because the instructors will see right through you.
@ lesnak:
Sorry to hear mate. I'm currently class 3R - temporarily unfit to continue, and have been so since November. I'd probably rather know now if I were to be transitioned to class 4, rather than post-FSP...shame you didn't get the courtesy. Best of luck with your appeals mate.
Up to 100 pilots to be sacked as part of a $480m cost-cutting exercise | The Australian
@ Track:
I'm still waiting for a spot at flight screening but from what I understand there are 3 outcomes at the conclusion of OSB:
You are awarded a recommendation to enter service. Or...
You are handed a 'not yet recommended' i.e return in 12 months. This means that the board sees potential...but you're just not showing it. An applicant pilot can only ever complete the flying component of FSP once - and their score stands. Not sure how many times the board will bring you back though to OSB though...
Lastly - and of course, the least desired....not recommended to enter service.
I have heard many stories of applicants acing the flying component but flunking the board. You have to show a potential and willingness to LEARN, not show-off by exemplifying how much of an ace you think you are....because the instructors will see right through you.
@ lesnak:
Sorry to hear mate. I'm currently class 3R - temporarily unfit to continue, and have been so since November. I'd probably rather know now if I were to be transitioned to class 4, rather than post-FSP...shame you didn't get the courtesy. Best of luck with your appeals mate.
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Firstly i would like to say to all those on here who are looking at a career in this field of the RAF........DONT BOTHER!! The whole outfit are a JOKE!! I've had the displeasure of being flown around the world by them for the past 22 years and can honestly say i've only ever flown on time twice without delays!!
Sure the RAAF can be painful at times, with organisational constraints putting sometimes unnecessary pressures on its people, but I, and nearly all I talk to (Maintenance, Aircrew, Support staff etc etc) wouldn't give this job up for anything. So what if you're a few hours late into Butterworth, Diego Garcia or a myriad of other countries/places... We'll all still get to have victory drinks at the end of the flight
So to the people going through the DFR process to become a pilot... Please ignore what was said (apart from it being about the RAF). Nothing beats going into another country, going out for drinks and then flying back. Having a blast whilst doing it. Pilot in the RAAF is probably the best job you can imagine... (at least if you're a boggie (even better a boggie copilot if you go multicrew)).
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I have heard many stories of applicants acing the flying component but flunking the board. You have to show a potential and willingness to LEARN, not show-off by exemplifying how much of an ace you think you are....because the instructors will see right through you.
I have heard many stories of applicants acing the flying component but flunking the board. You have to show a potential and willingness to LEARN, not show-off by exemplifying how much of an ace you think you are....because the instructors will see right through you.
.I know an ex WGCDR that failed two boards and a serving LTCOL thats a close mate (we were JOs in the same op confines and of similar seniority at a couple of major exercises) that failed 3 boards (2 SSO and 1GSO).