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Mate, I've read somewhere that the RAAF uses the 'John Adair' model for action centred leadership or something to that effect for its junior officers. Google it and you'll find a fair few images of the rather famous three interlocking circles and if you're lucky, a few pages going into more detail.
Take that with a grain of salt though, as I think it was the AAFC forum I picked that one up from.
Regardless, A) Someone who actually knows will hopefully drive-by and post, and B) There aren't too many gaping holes with the John Adair method anyway, if you decide to use that philosophy in any leadership exercises.
Also, I've got a .pdf lying around on my computer about Leadership in the ADF that I've picked up a while ago (when I googled ADF Leadership) which I've uploaded to my mediafire account if you'd like to give that a read as well.
RAAF Leadership.pdf
Take that with a grain of salt though, as I think it was the AAFC forum I picked that one up from.
Regardless, A) Someone who actually knows will hopefully drive-by and post, and B) There aren't too many gaping holes with the John Adair method anyway, if you decide to use that philosophy in any leadership exercises. Also, I've got a .pdf lying around on my computer about Leadership in the ADF that I've picked up a while ago (when I googled ADF Leadership) which I've uploaded to my mediafire account if you'd like to give that a read as well.
RAAF Leadership.pdf
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G'day guys,
I'm thrilled to say that i also just received an invitation from Flight Lieutenant N Dawkins to attend flight screening from the 16/10-30/10. So Lesnak, I'll be meeting you up there, and check your pm's.
I hope a few more of you get calls soon!
Cheers
Nick
I'm thrilled to say that i also just received an invitation from Flight Lieutenant N Dawkins to attend flight screening from the 16/10-30/10. So Lesnak, I'll be meeting you up there, and check your pm's.
I hope a few more of you get calls soon!
Cheers
Nick
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Just a few thoughts from someone who has been through all of this even if it was a while ago.
I am talking more about pilot’s course here rather than flight screening.
Be open, be honest and do not worry about making a few mistakes along the way. Generally speaking they will think more of someone who tries and then learns from their mistakes than someone who is overly cautious all the time. ie admit your mistakes but try and minimise them. I have a friend who did not pass pilot’s course and to this day still will not admit to, or does not understand the mistakes that got him scrubbed.
Fast jets are over rated and are not for everyone. It requires a different mentality and personality type to fly the different types. Remember that the current Chief of Defence Force is an RAAF Helicopter pilot and the current Chief of Air force is an ex Navy pilot. It just shows there is plenty of room for movement and places for the right people.
One of the biggest challenges you will find is not how difficult things are but the sheer amount of subjects that you are studying all at once. You need to juggle everything at once and get a reasonable pass in everything rather than distinctions in some things and then failing others. Working out when to simply tick the boxes and when to shine is one of the best things you can do to help yourself.
When you start pilot’s course you need to realise that approximately 2/3 of those who start will not finish and that during your career there is a reasonable chance that someone you know will be killed in an aircraft accident. (It’s still safer than driving a car though)
Also a final thing to remember is that many people who have failed military pilot’s course have gone on and had long and distinguished careers airline pilots, so if you don’t make it then not all is lost.
I am talking more about pilot’s course here rather than flight screening.
Be open, be honest and do not worry about making a few mistakes along the way. Generally speaking they will think more of someone who tries and then learns from their mistakes than someone who is overly cautious all the time. ie admit your mistakes but try and minimise them. I have a friend who did not pass pilot’s course and to this day still will not admit to, or does not understand the mistakes that got him scrubbed.
Fast jets are over rated and are not for everyone. It requires a different mentality and personality type to fly the different types. Remember that the current Chief of Defence Force is an RAAF Helicopter pilot and the current Chief of Air force is an ex Navy pilot. It just shows there is plenty of room for movement and places for the right people.
One of the biggest challenges you will find is not how difficult things are but the sheer amount of subjects that you are studying all at once. You need to juggle everything at once and get a reasonable pass in everything rather than distinctions in some things and then failing others. Working out when to simply tick the boxes and when to shine is one of the best things you can do to help yourself.
When you start pilot’s course you need to realise that approximately 2/3 of those who start will not finish and that during your career there is a reasonable chance that someone you know will be killed in an aircraft accident. (It’s still safer than driving a car though)
Also a final thing to remember is that many people who have failed military pilot’s course have gone on and had long and distinguished careers airline pilots, so if you don’t make it then not all is lost.
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Hi slowlane,
Thanks for the insight. Would you be able to elaborate on how fast jets are over rated/compare to transports etc? One of the questions I meant to ask a pilot at Williamtown was, 'if you could do it all over again, would they still pick fast jets?' so getting some insight from your statement might answer that. Thanks
Congrats Nick, awesome news.
Thanks for the insight. Would you be able to elaborate on how fast jets are over rated/compare to transports etc? One of the questions I meant to ask a pilot at Williamtown was, 'if you could do it all over again, would they still pick fast jets?' so getting some insight from your statement might answer that. Thanks
Congrats Nick, awesome news.
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Originally Posted by oneflewnorth
Hi slowlane,
Thanks for the insight. Would you be able to elaborate on how fast jets are over rated/compare to transports etc? One of the questions I meant to ask a pilot at Williamtown was, 'if you could do it all over again, would they still pick fast jets?' so getting some insight from your statement might answer that. Thanks
Thanks for the insight. Would you be able to elaborate on how fast jets are over rated/compare to transports etc? One of the questions I meant to ask a pilot at Williamtown was, 'if you could do it all over again, would they still pick fast jets?' so getting some insight from your statement might answer that. Thanks
As I said, fast jets simply do not suit everyone. There is a huge work load over about four years to even get fully qualified and then to only get about 20 hrs per month. There has only been one deployment of any aircraft in the strike force since the Korean war where as the Transport, the Maritime and the Helicopter guys have literally been everywhere and continue to go everywhere.
Every type has its challenges and many types have a lot more quality time in many OS locations. Conversely I know quite a few pilots who have specialised in the training environment and had huge job and personal satisfaction.
The other question to ask is where do you want to be 20-30 years later? Maritime or Transport aircraft will set you up much better to get that coveted airline job. That is for two reasons, one of which is similarity of types and roles and the other is the airlines look at total flying time and as I mentioned earlier the FJ people don't get a lot of that.
The other part of the reality is that the military will post you to where they want you and not necessarily to where you choose. (On my pilots course there was one person who got their first preference)
I hope that answers your question.
slowlane: There has only been one deployment of any aircraft in the strike force since the Korean war where as the Transport, the Maritime and the Helicopter guys have literally been everywhere and continue to go everywhere.
We get the gist, but not quite true.
1963 - Sabres to Borneo for Confrontation
1965-68 - Sabres at Ubon for Thailand air defence
1967-71 - Canberras Vietnam
2003 - Hornets GWII
We get the gist, but not quite true.
1963 - Sabres to Borneo for Confrontation
1965-68 - Sabres at Ubon for Thailand air defence
1967-71 - Canberras Vietnam
2003 - Hornets GWII
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Originally Posted by BBadonov
We get the gist, but not quite true.
1963 - Sabres to Borneo for Confrontation
1965-68 - Sabres at Ubon for Thailand air defence
1967-71 - Canberras Vietnam
2003 - Hornets GWII
1963 - Sabres to Borneo for Confrontation
1965-68 - Sabres at Ubon for Thailand air defence
1967-71 - Canberras Vietnam
2003 - Hornets GWII
No disrespect to the fast jet comunity as I know the lads would love to be out there doing their stuff. However I think the point that SL is making is it is more likely that you will be doing what you where trained for in the trash world, logging more hours and seeing more sights.
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For the guys heading over to flight screening in the coming months, all the information you need is in this thread somewhere. You can't prepare for some of the things they throw at you and that's just PSA's way of determining whether or not you've got what it takes. I personally believe prior flying experience will help the flying side of things; I had ten hours on ultra-lights logged in the last twelve months and didn't do too badly with the flying but there does come a point when you're left to your natural abilities in the air.
As for the fast jet pilots doing what they're trained to do, we had a speech on why the Army and the Navy offer a better opportunity to "use your wings" than the RAAF does and the point the Lieutenant made was the fact that Australian fighter pilots hadn't been deployed to fight other aircraft since the Korean war and are more or less stuck to training the skills and abilities they may never get to use in a hostile environment.
As for the fast jet pilots doing what they're trained to do, we had a speech on why the Army and the Navy offer a better opportunity to "use your wings" than the RAAF does and the point the Lieutenant made was the fact that Australian fighter pilots hadn't been deployed to fight other aircraft since the Korean war and are more or less stuck to training the skills and abilities they may never get to use in a hostile environment.
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I had my spec testing for pilot today. Passed with a band 1 so I am very happy right now. If anyone would like to ask questions I am happy to answer, better to ask while it's fresh in my mind. Time to prepare for assessment day!
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Zulk - be careful of what recruiting officers say to you especially the green. Read link from Tony360 above.
Besides there is more to the RAAF than fast jets - P3's and C130's have been in the middle east consistantly for a long time, C-17's make a regular appearence. If you go army then and you fly chooks you go to the meao - every year whilst in the squadron, if blackhawk then timor, timor and timor. Go to MRH90/tiger then read your post about fast jets.
Last year the RAN offered anyone, including those with ROSO the opportunity to transfer to army or resign such was the backlog of people waiting for conversion.
It's a great start to your flying career but be careful what lines the recruiters feed you.
Besides there is more to the RAAF than fast jets - P3's and C130's have been in the middle east consistantly for a long time, C-17's make a regular appearence. If you go army then and you fly chooks you go to the meao - every year whilst in the squadron, if blackhawk then timor, timor and timor. Go to MRH90/tiger then read your post about fast jets.
Last year the RAN offered anyone, including those with ROSO the opportunity to transfer to army or resign such was the backlog of people waiting for conversion.
It's a great start to your flying career but be careful what lines the recruiters feed you.
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Hi all,
I should say in advance that I am planning on calling recruiting tomorrow. However can anyone give me some advice on the following:
1/ Is it possible at all to become a pilot in the ADF with asthma? I can't find a definitive answer anywhere.
2/ I did general maths for the HSC, which I very much regret. Are there any courses that the RAAF accept as satisfying the requirements for maths. I am aware that the website refers to equivalent tertiary study, however I assume this means university and thus is not applicable to me.
As I say, I will be talking to recruiting tomorrow but I thought I'd throw these out there and see if they are a 100% no go problems.
Cheers,
J
I should say in advance that I am planning on calling recruiting tomorrow. However can anyone give me some advice on the following:
1/ Is it possible at all to become a pilot in the ADF with asthma? I can't find a definitive answer anywhere.
2/ I did general maths for the HSC, which I very much regret. Are there any courses that the RAAF accept as satisfying the requirements for maths. I am aware that the website refers to equivalent tertiary study, however I assume this means university and thus is not applicable to me.
As I say, I will be talking to recruiting tomorrow but I thought I'd throw these out there and see if they are a 100% no go problems.
Cheers,
J
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Hi everyone,
Just wondering if anyone has an opinion of this?
Help would be greatly appreciated
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Rhinodriver123
Just wondering if anyone has an opinion of this?
I have my assessment day coming up and I have been thinking over one issue. What would be there view on underage drinking?
I understand they would be against it but honestly, in my opinion, I think you would be hard pressed to find many year 11/12 aged kids that hadn't at least done it once or twice. I fall under this category - I have drunk socially with friends 3 times and I am currently 16 I have always intended to go in to the psych interview and try explain this but I am thinking that while honestly is great it might not be best in this situation. Also in replying please don't tell me how bad it is or that it is illegal etc. It is a decision I have made. Think of when you were 16/17, did you really never drink once?
I understand they would be against it but honestly, in my opinion, I think you would be hard pressed to find many year 11/12 aged kids that hadn't at least done it once or twice. I fall under this category - I have drunk socially with friends 3 times and I am currently 16 I have always intended to go in to the psych interview and try explain this but I am thinking that while honestly is great it might not be best in this situation. Also in replying please don't tell me how bad it is or that it is illegal etc. It is a decision I have made. Think of when you were 16/17, did you really never drink once?
Thank you,
Rhinodriver123
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QJB,
Not sure about the asthma, but i believe there are people on here that have done courses at tafe to bring their maths up to standards. Look back through this thread and you should find an answer.
Not sure about the asthma, but i believe there are people on here that have done courses at tafe to bring their maths up to standards. Look back through this thread and you should find an answer.
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QJB, Have you called DFR? Although they don't have a good reputation in this thread, I daresay it's worth a shot. By the way, this might be of some relevance to you.
rhinodriver123: Well perhaps thinking about it a little might help. Looking at it rationally, think about the role you're applying for; a quick google search of 'Military Officer' yields a fair few results relating to integrity, judgement, good self conduct and all the rest of it being qualities desired in Officers.
So applying this to your situation, underage drinking and all of the associated is in the league of poor judgement/self conduct and may be looked upon that way by whoever's doing the talking.
But if asked about it and you admit to it/say it was wrong etc, they may see the integrity and maturity side of what you're saying.
Either way, you can't have been the first person to walk in there whose had something to drink whilst younger than 18.
rhinodriver123: Well perhaps thinking about it a little might help. Looking at it rationally, think about the role you're applying for; a quick google search of 'Military Officer' yields a fair few results relating to integrity, judgement, good self conduct and all the rest of it being qualities desired in Officers.
So applying this to your situation, underage drinking and all of the associated is in the league of poor judgement/self conduct and may be looked upon that way by whoever's doing the talking.
But if asked about it and you admit to it/say it was wrong etc, they may see the integrity and maturity side of what you're saying.
Either way, you can't have been the first person to walk in there whose had something to drink whilst younger than 18.
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Shonfield and Dilmah G, thanks alot for taking the time to respond. Dilmah G, that link was very useful thank you, unfortunately the very first paragraph seems to state that the asthma standards for aircrew remain unchanged. All should be revealed tomorrow when I call DFR! I'll let you know their response. Fingers crossed.