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Relax,
Everything will be explained to you on the course in due time. You will have ample opportunity to visualise the flight sequences when you knock off, and on the weekend. Don't sweat it too much, do the prep they tell you to do and enjoy the experience. You can get on the gas every night as well if you want... its your choice
Everything will be explained to you on the course in due time. You will have ample opportunity to visualise the flight sequences when you knock off, and on the weekend. Don't sweat it too much, do the prep they tell you to do and enjoy the experience. You can get on the gas every night as well if you want... its your choice
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Hi rory2907
I know this topic has been done to death but I thought I'd put my 2 cents in, as I was selected as an ADF pilot and went through a considerable amount of the training before deciding that military aviation just wasn't for me.
Instructors (testers really) do assume nil flying experience, but the reality is that most people on the FSP have some flying experience. Those without any tend to do very poorly as the learning curve is extremely steep. You progress from effects of controls to being tested on complete circuits in four days, and yes even on the basic course you do stalls, spins, wing-overs, aileron rolls and loops.
Contrary to the general tone on these forums, I found FSP to be unenjoyable and very stressful. There is a tendency for people to look back at it with a rose-tinted memory and make light of things that worried them at the time. During FSP there was nobody on my course who didn't wish for it to be over as quickly as possible. There are some fun moments, like aerobatics and 'Cluster' with the BFTS guys on Friday nights, but mostly it's a stressful experience because what you do has such a impact on your future aspirations. In many ways this tend continues after selection into officer training and BFTS. A Wing Commander told my commencing BFTS course, "You won't have a great deal of fun during ADF pilot training and you'll wish it was over almost every day. But when you look back from the future you'll remember it as the best time of your life. So bear that in mind as you live the experience." Also, don't 'get on the gas every night', that's a sure way to fail. You have to remember a considerable amount of new information in a short period of time and the mind remembers so much easier without booze from the night before in your system.
Transition between the CAP-10 and CT4B is not overly difficult. It's there to shake the candidates up at the last minute, test how rapidly they can adjust to a new set of procedures and a new aircraft. It is twitchy to taxi and in the take-off and landing rolls and that can be a problem, but I found it more fun to fly than the CT4B. Plus by that stage in the FSP you've got a clue as to whether you're doing well at it, or bombing out. So if you're doing well you feel more relaxed.
Just a few words for thought. If you have any other questions feel free to ask.
I know this topic has been done to death but I thought I'd put my 2 cents in, as I was selected as an ADF pilot and went through a considerable amount of the training before deciding that military aviation just wasn't for me.
Instructors (testers really) do assume nil flying experience, but the reality is that most people on the FSP have some flying experience. Those without any tend to do very poorly as the learning curve is extremely steep. You progress from effects of controls to being tested on complete circuits in four days, and yes even on the basic course you do stalls, spins, wing-overs, aileron rolls and loops.
Contrary to the general tone on these forums, I found FSP to be unenjoyable and very stressful. There is a tendency for people to look back at it with a rose-tinted memory and make light of things that worried them at the time. During FSP there was nobody on my course who didn't wish for it to be over as quickly as possible. There are some fun moments, like aerobatics and 'Cluster' with the BFTS guys on Friday nights, but mostly it's a stressful experience because what you do has such a impact on your future aspirations. In many ways this tend continues after selection into officer training and BFTS. A Wing Commander told my commencing BFTS course, "You won't have a great deal of fun during ADF pilot training and you'll wish it was over almost every day. But when you look back from the future you'll remember it as the best time of your life. So bear that in mind as you live the experience." Also, don't 'get on the gas every night', that's a sure way to fail. You have to remember a considerable amount of new information in a short period of time and the mind remembers so much easier without booze from the night before in your system.
Transition between the CAP-10 and CT4B is not overly difficult. It's there to shake the candidates up at the last minute, test how rapidly they can adjust to a new set of procedures and a new aircraft. It is twitchy to taxi and in the take-off and landing rolls and that can be a problem, but I found it more fun to fly than the CT4B. Plus by that stage in the FSP you've got a clue as to whether you're doing well at it, or bombing out. So if you're doing well you feel more relaxed.
Just a few words for thought. If you have any other questions feel free to ask.
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I understand the first 7 basic course flights are in the CT-4B and the final 3 in the CAP-10.
What are the main differences between flying these aircraft (other than ground handling with the CAP-10's tail-wheel) and is the transition between them difficult?
Do the instructor's assume nil flight experience on the basic course?
How quickly does the course progress (i.e. do you get to stalls, steep turns, spins, inverted flight, etc.?)?
I will back up what slow n low said. Relax, do what they tell you to do, and prepare.
You can get on the gas every night as well if you want... its your choice
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LASEK in the RAAF?
Hello, I am hoping to apply to the RAAF as a pilot in 2011 when I have finished my degree, however I can get no clear answer for their attitude to LASEK laser surgery.
Anyone know if they take pilot applicants with LASEK?
Also does anyone know if the RAF are likely to take applicants with laser surgery in the next few years as current serving pilots can now have it done?
Anyone know if they take pilot applicants with LASEK?
Also does anyone know if the RAF are likely to take applicants with laser surgery in the next few years as current serving pilots can now have it done?
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Also does anyone know if the RAF are likely to take applicants with l@ser surgery in the next few years as current serving pilots can now have it done?
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Just another question about the medical on the assessment day. Obviously, BMI etc is a big thing. If your BMI is perfectly within the range, are you ok? i mean do they expect you to be trim, traught and terrific, like perfect. Or can you have an average body, like a lil flab but still perfectly in the BMI range. do you know what im saying? because the finess will only improve with the PTI's drilling you 
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Schaefer, I don't think BMI matters too much. There were some pretty big boys on my BFTS course and they got to be quite large as it progressed, with no PT and too much canteen food! I was on the other end of the spectrum, being wafer thin. The Wing Commander just told me to each more steak at the Officer Board because I was too light for the ejection seats, eg under 62kg! They take all sorts of body types. There were some instructors up there who looked like they'd exceed the MTOW of the aircraft they flew, so I wouldn't worry too much 
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call it,
Mate, be very careful about making such claims. If you are already an ADF member – doubly so! As an ADF member there is a greater chance of adverse consequences should you choose to speak your mind, even on forums such as this! There are some vindictive people around. It’s not right, but it’s a fact!
If your BMI is over a certain limit (i.e., you’re a fat b*stard!) you will not achieve an aircrew medical. BMI is checked annually, and people have lost their aircrew medicals until they have got their BMIs under control again.
PT is scheduled at least once a week. The mess food is quite good, so that certainly can be a trap if you’re not prepared to exercise accordingly.
The ADF do not take all body types for pilot training. There are various body dimensions which if exceeded will mean a risk of injury or death should you eject from a PC9 (advanced trainer). This is true for any ejection seat, i.e. there are limits.
Even those who don’t do a real pilots course (i.e. don’t fly the PC9) are not immune. The Kiowa cockpit is quite neat, and I am aware of a couple of Army students who had to complete their basic helicopter training in the Squirrel at Nowra because they were too tall to fit in the Kiowa.
BFTS has both ADF and civilian instructors. Civilian instructors are not required to complete an annual physical fitness test like their ADF counterparts. Oh, by the way I see a few pudgy marshmallows masquerading as students here too mate.
About the fast jet thing WAAY back in this thread - even F111s didn't get a girl driver - she bombed out, couldn't hack the pressure. So good luck to any other aspiring girls - really!!! Hard road and they say that girls are great at all the hand and feet thing - everything except for OCU. The one that made it through to 6SQN just happened to be sleeping with her instructor at OCU - guess that always helps!!
... Just like the ATC chick on the new RAAF accomplished ad who has been sleeping with her married RAAF boss to try and get ahead. He's since left the RAAF for AirNoServices, but you'd think the RAAF would try to avoid such negative publicity.
... Just like the ATC chick on the new RAAF accomplished ad who has been sleeping with her married RAAF boss to try and get ahead. He's since left the RAAF for AirNoServices, but you'd think the RAAF would try to avoid such negative publicity.
Schaefer, I don't think BMI matters too much. There were some pretty big boys on my BFTS course and they got to be quite large as it progressed, with no PT and too much canteen food!
PT is scheduled at least once a week. The mess food is quite good, so that certainly can be a trap if you’re not prepared to exercise accordingly.
They take all sorts of body types.
Even those who don’t do a real pilots course (i.e. don’t fly the PC9) are not immune. The Kiowa cockpit is quite neat, and I am aware of a couple of Army students who had to complete their basic helicopter training in the Squirrel at Nowra because they were too tall to fit in the Kiowa.
There were some instructors up there who looked like they'd exceed the MTOW of the aircraft they flew, so I wouldn't worry too much.
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Hi Guys,
I am looking to join the RAAF as a Pilot. I am currently living in the UK and doing a BENG degree in Aerospace. I would not have any issuses in gaining Visa or Citizenship. I was wondering how I would start my application to RAAF???
Thank You for your welcomed advice!
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I am looking to join the RAAF as a Pilot. I am currently living in the UK and doing a BENG degree in Aerospace. I would not have any issuses in gaining Visa or Citizenship. I was wondering how I would start my application to RAAF???
Thank You for your welcomed advice!
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ahem [cough cough]
Get out of that habit for a start ..... 'yoof' speak does not make a good first impression. The ADF is not a snow boarding team.
Many Thanks dude
Get out of that habit for a start ..... 'yoof' speak does not make a good first impression. The ADF is not a snow boarding team.
Get out of that habit for a start ..... 'yoof' speak does not make a good first impression. The ADF is not a snow boarding team
Ahhh those were the days.Turkey
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Yes ..."thanks dude"...... far worse than any behaviour in the mess!!! Ahhh those were the days.
Thanks to the Fun Police it's so easy to tread on one's old fella in the innocent pursuit of having fun in a military mess these days.
Small wonder no-one can be bothered!
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Hi all,
Just a quick question, seems as though this is the appropriate thread: For Assessment Day and also Officer Selection Board, the interviewers obviously ask you some in depth questions to make sure you know your job and so on. I'm sure you need to know (and I have subsequently learnt!) the training in depth, some history, structure and all the aircraft, numbers, roles, flying squadrons and their parent wings and F.E.Gs and where these are all based, but do they go any further than that? I've also been told that they ask some pretty specific questions about the aircraft (what engines does this plane have, how fast does it go .ect), but I've run into a bit of a roadblock here recently - I noticed that the RAAF website's aircraft info is not consistent with other sources (books, internet, and even the RAAF museum website!). What's the go there? I'd hate to have learned incorrect info, so has anyone here been to OSB and been through this?
Just a quick question, seems as though this is the appropriate thread: For Assessment Day and also Officer Selection Board, the interviewers obviously ask you some in depth questions to make sure you know your job and so on. I'm sure you need to know (and I have subsequently learnt!) the training in depth, some history, structure and all the aircraft, numbers, roles, flying squadrons and their parent wings and F.E.Gs and where these are all based, but do they go any further than that? I've also been told that they ask some pretty specific questions about the aircraft (what engines does this plane have, how fast does it go .ect), but I've run into a bit of a roadblock here recently - I noticed that the RAAF website's aircraft info is not consistent with other sources (books, internet, and even the RAAF museum website!). What's the go there? I'd hate to have learned incorrect info, so has anyone here been to OSB and been through this?
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Don't listen to FlyNavy2...
I respect your opinion, but there is loads of time to prep and study.
You fly once a day MAX....unless weather is a player and they need to push you through, in which case, currency and continuity is great.
You only need to learn a few basic number and sequences. No checks or R/T.
I found it very monkey see, monkey do.
You do end up flying circuits after 4 days, but they don't expect much. Basic attitude flying and application of errors.
Good luck!!
I respect your opinion, but there is loads of time to prep and study.
You fly once a day MAX....unless weather is a player and they need to push you through, in which case, currency and continuity is great.
You only need to learn a few basic number and sequences. No checks or R/T.
I found it very monkey see, monkey do.
You do end up flying circuits after 4 days, but they don't expect much. Basic attitude flying and application of errors.
Good luck!!
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ADF Pilot Selection Agency
Hey guys,
I've just got a few queries relating to my Flight Screening Program coming up on the 7th March. I'm applying for RAAF pilot direct entry as first preference and ADFA as a 2nd preference. So here is a bit about myself .....
I'm currently 18 years of age, going on 19 in late May and have a few concerns with my current level of 'life experience' and 'leadership qualities'. I don't mean to boast my whole life story on pprune, but I guess if that's what it takes to get the response I'm looking for, then so be it. I'm actually going into my second year of the Bachelor of Aviation degree at Griffith University and having a blast, but I am sincerely unsure if I'm cut out for the whole university environment right at this moment though.
All I've ever dreamt about is becoming a Fighter pilot in my own countries air force, so over the past 2 years or so I’ve been struggling along with my application to join. I went into my first JOES session (I'm aware it's now known as a YOUs' session) and was young, dumb and well off cue to sit any form of testing, or any interview for that matter. I learnt my lesson, went back for a second round some months later and passed with flying colours. I was then booked on for Pilot Specs testing and only ended up in Band 3 somewhere apparently
Wasn't too thrilled about it, that's for sure. I don't mean to make any excuses, but the nerves got the better of me the night before the testing and I became a tad I’ll that night hopefully leading to my poor performance on the day haha. Saying that however, it's all done and dusted now so nothing I can change about that.
Anyway I had a few concerns with my life and where I wanted it to be heading (flying for an airline or with the RAAF). It was at about that stage I decided to take some time to think, done that and about 6 - 7 months later I re-activated my application and was put onto an assessment day immediately. Don't get me wrong, flying for the RAAF has forever been a dream of mine; I've never lost motivation, rather lost confidence in myself and having the ability to chase and achieve that dream. I studied my ass off that for that day, and it paid off according to the Defence interviewer. Apparently I possessed a very strong knowledge regarding the ADF, and RAAF in particular. Psych was fairly easy, as was the essay. With all the positives said, there was one negative in particular, that being my lack of leadership experience. My assessment day was on the 3rd December 2008, and once I saw the Doc I was advised I had to seek specialist advice on my back (orthopedic surgeon). As you could probably imagine, around Christmas time one would have buckleys' chance of getting an appointment. Fortunately enough thought I fell under a lucky star and got in for the start of January. Few weeks had passed, and DFR finally received my medical reports from the orthopedic surgeon. They sent them down to somewhere in NSW to get them checked and approved. I then received a call from a defence force recruiter on the 9th of February advising me that my file was received by PSA that day (9th Feb). This is where I am confused as I received a call from PSA on the 11th offering me a position onto the 7th March course. If I was in band 3 for the testing, and I apparently 'lack leadership qualities', why was I selected fairly quickly? Could it be the time of the year, not much going on around March? Or am I competitive?
Not sure whether or not this could be taken into account heavily when selecting the lucky ones for FSP or not, but I achieved fairly decent in my school results. VHA's and HA's across the board and I was undertaking math c, math b, phys, chem, bio and english. I also achieved a GPA of 6.38 in my Bach of Av. course last year in Uni. To add to this I've completed 21.4 hours flight experience at my own expense. Sorry if I come across as boastful, but all I'm really looking for is professional advice on my prospects of becoming a fighter pilot, and how best I go about achieving these goals. It is a professional pilots' network after all haha. I advised my defence interviewer on assessment day that I would try my best to bring up my level of leadership experience within the time I'd be selected onto a FSP course. Since then I've completed a St Johns' Senior First Aid Certificate and still awaiting a position to begin volunteering. As well as this, I'm coming up to my assessment day for my Surf Life Saving Bronze medallion so that I can commence patrols. Finally I was a school captain in year 7 and played club footy for 8 years up until I was 15. Pretty much all the leadership experience I’ve had.
If anyone could give me some information on how best I go about my time down in Tamworth, and just how realistic it is that I'll pass considering I've applied for Direct Entry as first preference.
Cheers,
Much appreciated
p.s. Again I don't mean to come across as boastful
Mark
I've just got a few queries relating to my Flight Screening Program coming up on the 7th March. I'm applying for RAAF pilot direct entry as first preference and ADFA as a 2nd preference. So here is a bit about myself .....
I'm currently 18 years of age, going on 19 in late May and have a few concerns with my current level of 'life experience' and 'leadership qualities'. I don't mean to boast my whole life story on pprune, but I guess if that's what it takes to get the response I'm looking for, then so be it. I'm actually going into my second year of the Bachelor of Aviation degree at Griffith University and having a blast, but I am sincerely unsure if I'm cut out for the whole university environment right at this moment though.
All I've ever dreamt about is becoming a Fighter pilot in my own countries air force, so over the past 2 years or so I’ve been struggling along with my application to join. I went into my first JOES session (I'm aware it's now known as a YOUs' session) and was young, dumb and well off cue to sit any form of testing, or any interview for that matter. I learnt my lesson, went back for a second round some months later and passed with flying colours. I was then booked on for Pilot Specs testing and only ended up in Band 3 somewhere apparently
Wasn't too thrilled about it, that's for sure. I don't mean to make any excuses, but the nerves got the better of me the night before the testing and I became a tad I’ll that night hopefully leading to my poor performance on the day haha. Saying that however, it's all done and dusted now so nothing I can change about that.Anyway I had a few concerns with my life and where I wanted it to be heading (flying for an airline or with the RAAF). It was at about that stage I decided to take some time to think, done that and about 6 - 7 months later I re-activated my application and was put onto an assessment day immediately. Don't get me wrong, flying for the RAAF has forever been a dream of mine; I've never lost motivation, rather lost confidence in myself and having the ability to chase and achieve that dream. I studied my ass off that for that day, and it paid off according to the Defence interviewer. Apparently I possessed a very strong knowledge regarding the ADF, and RAAF in particular. Psych was fairly easy, as was the essay. With all the positives said, there was one negative in particular, that being my lack of leadership experience. My assessment day was on the 3rd December 2008, and once I saw the Doc I was advised I had to seek specialist advice on my back (orthopedic surgeon). As you could probably imagine, around Christmas time one would have buckleys' chance of getting an appointment. Fortunately enough thought I fell under a lucky star and got in for the start of January. Few weeks had passed, and DFR finally received my medical reports from the orthopedic surgeon. They sent them down to somewhere in NSW to get them checked and approved. I then received a call from a defence force recruiter on the 9th of February advising me that my file was received by PSA that day (9th Feb). This is where I am confused as I received a call from PSA on the 11th offering me a position onto the 7th March course. If I was in band 3 for the testing, and I apparently 'lack leadership qualities', why was I selected fairly quickly? Could it be the time of the year, not much going on around March? Or am I competitive?
Not sure whether or not this could be taken into account heavily when selecting the lucky ones for FSP or not, but I achieved fairly decent in my school results. VHA's and HA's across the board and I was undertaking math c, math b, phys, chem, bio and english. I also achieved a GPA of 6.38 in my Bach of Av. course last year in Uni. To add to this I've completed 21.4 hours flight experience at my own expense. Sorry if I come across as boastful, but all I'm really looking for is professional advice on my prospects of becoming a fighter pilot, and how best I go about achieving these goals. It is a professional pilots' network after all haha. I advised my defence interviewer on assessment day that I would try my best to bring up my level of leadership experience within the time I'd be selected onto a FSP course. Since then I've completed a St Johns' Senior First Aid Certificate and still awaiting a position to begin volunteering. As well as this, I'm coming up to my assessment day for my Surf Life Saving Bronze medallion so that I can commence patrols. Finally I was a school captain in year 7 and played club footy for 8 years up until I was 15. Pretty much all the leadership experience I’ve had.
If anyone could give me some information on how best I go about my time down in Tamworth, and just how realistic it is that I'll pass considering I've applied for Direct Entry as first preference.
Cheers,
Much appreciated
p.s. Again I don't mean to come across as boastful
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I then received a call from a defence force recruiter on the 9th of February advising me that my file was received by PSA that day (9th Feb). This is where I am confused as I received a call from PSA on the 11th offering me a position onto the 7th March course. If I was in band 3 for the testing, and I apparently 'lack leadership qualities', why was I selected fairly quickly? Could it be the time of the year, not much going on around March? Or am I competitive?
If anyone could give me some information on how best I go about my time down in Tamworth, and just how realistic it is that I'll pass considering I've applied for Direct Entry as first preference.
All I've ever dreamt about is becoming a Fighter pilot in my own countries air force,
Anyway I had a few concerns with my life and where I wanted it to be heading (flying for an airline or with the RAAF).
Anyway I had a few concerns with my life and where I wanted it to be heading (flying for an airline or with the RAAF).
which one is it? The reason I ask is because the board will ask you questions like this, and if you arent committed, they don't want to know you.
This is where I am confused as I received a call from PSA on the 11th offering me a position onto the 7th March course. If I was in band 3 for the testing, and I apparently 'lack leadership qualities', why was I selected fairly quickly? Could it be the time of the year, not much going on around March? Or am I competitive?
Who cares? You have been selected? Lots of people never get the opportunity, so get in there and do your best!
but the nerves got the better of me the night before the testing
Read the rest of this post (yes all 11 pages or whatever). Pick up the general tone, dont hang onto any one peace of information too hard, but read between the lines.
Generally, work hard, have fun, be honest.
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Hey flighthappens,
It is true, all i've ever wanted to become is an Air Force pilot, however in the past i never really thought I had it in me. I always thought the odds were stacked against me, but I've come to realize over the past year or so that I wont get anywhere with an attitude like that. Look lets just if given the choice, either fighter pilot or Airline pilot, I'd most definately choose to fly for the air force. It was cemented in my mind back then that I either took one road or the other, and going through the air force would of been at the time, taking a fairly big risk. I then started university and grew up a bit, learned how to juggle tasks and finally decided that I'd try out for the air force whilst attending uni. I do want the air force, but if I don't make it I also want something to fall back on.
Yeah look i'm very grateful to have been selected for FSP, though i'm a fairly anxious guy, and that's the reason i'd asked. I like to know the reason behind things, but no your absolutely right in what you say haha
Mate I don't really like to show it, but yes I'm extremely nervous as every little minute of my time down in Tamworth counts. I can't sleep and i find it hard to concentrate right at this moment as all I'm ever thinking about is getting through. I s'pose though, all that can be done is to take one step at a time, try your best and if all prevails good stuff (Y), if not then it wasn't meant to be. Haha i've read through every single page on this post by the way.
Yeah look i'm going into this in the frame of mind that it's not a competition rather how well an individual works in a team and contributes in anyway possible.
Thanks for all the support flighthappens...
Cheers,
Mark
p.s. anyone with any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated
It is true, all i've ever wanted to become is an Air Force pilot, however in the past i never really thought I had it in me. I always thought the odds were stacked against me, but I've come to realize over the past year or so that I wont get anywhere with an attitude like that. Look lets just if given the choice, either fighter pilot or Airline pilot, I'd most definately choose to fly for the air force. It was cemented in my mind back then that I either took one road or the other, and going through the air force would of been at the time, taking a fairly big risk. I then started university and grew up a bit, learned how to juggle tasks and finally decided that I'd try out for the air force whilst attending uni. I do want the air force, but if I don't make it I also want something to fall back on.
Yeah look i'm very grateful to have been selected for FSP, though i'm a fairly anxious guy, and that's the reason i'd asked. I like to know the reason behind things, but no your absolutely right in what you say haha
Mate I don't really like to show it, but yes I'm extremely nervous as every little minute of my time down in Tamworth counts. I can't sleep and i find it hard to concentrate right at this moment as all I'm ever thinking about is getting through. I s'pose though, all that can be done is to take one step at a time, try your best and if all prevails good stuff (Y), if not then it wasn't meant to be. Haha i've read through every single page on this post by the way.
Yeah look i'm going into this in the frame of mind that it's not a competition rather how well an individual works in a team and contributes in anyway possible.
Thanks for all the support flighthappens...
Cheers,
Mark
p.s. anyone with any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated