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Old 27th Jul 2022, 01:21
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Thanks for that advice I'll make sure to keep in touch with DFR in order to keep my application progressing and I'll make sure to get my assessment day out of the way. How long is the process between AD-ASP-OSB is this process feasible to complete in year 12?. Fingers crossed there are no medical issues and my preparation pays off.
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Old 27th Jul 2022, 08:10
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Sounds good Zac.
Word of advice. Make certain you adhere to a/your timeline so that you do not end up missing out. YR 12 will be busy enough and more so if you add in your ASP and OSB. The new system (if it has not already been stuffed up) has a bit more flexibility to it. I would certainly make sure you have all your RC stuff done by the end of the year which should allow you to be available for testing etc. Do not forget if there is a hiccup in the RC line i.e a medical issue which you may wish to dispute, that this will take time. Once again you will have enough to do next year without having something like that on your plate.

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Finestkind,
As someone trying to get in (either ADFA or DEO) for 2023, would you mind enlightening me on a few things?
  • I certainly have a goal.
  • I believe I've got the motivation.
  • I believe I can apply myself (at least based on school experience).
  • I don't know about the potential [yet] (I've flown a little which I loved and seemed to "understand" - for what it's worth in ~10 hrs - according to instructors).
  • I think I have a realistic appreciation for the difficulty and demands of pilot's course.
But I'm a bit lost regarding maturity.
I think I'm 'mature' but was told at the start of the year to gain more leadership experience (which I have since done) to 'mature' a bit before continuing on the DEO application side later this year.
Do you have any suggestions on what you're looking for in a person on pilot's course regarding maturity? Likewise, are there any 'indicators' for potential (or any other areas, for that matter) that you look for?

Admittedly, at the end of the day, my biggest fear would be to fail pilot's course (particularly after getting an IMPS from ADFA) so I want to make sure that if I'm offered a place as a pilot, I put myself in the best possible position (and state of mind) to pass (and hopefully excel at) pilot's course.

Thank you.
Got ASP coming up soon so any advice will be great to take into OSB if successful at ASP.
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Old 28th Jul 2022, 04:40
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Originally Posted by VHOEG View Post
Finestkind,
As someone trying to get in (either ADFA or DEO) for 2023, would you mind enlightening me on a few things?
  • I certainly have a goal.
  • I believe I've got the motivation.
  • I believe I can apply myself (at least based on school experience).
  • I don't know about the potential [yet] (I've flown a little which I loved and seemed to "understand" - for what it's worth in ~10 hrs - according to instructors).
  • I think I have a realistic appreciation for the difficulty and demands of pilot's course.
But I'm a bit lost regarding maturity.
I think I'm 'mature' but was told at the start of the year to gain more leadership experience (which I have since done) to 'mature' a bit before continuing on the DEO application side later this year.
Do you have any suggestions on what you're looking for in a person on pilot's course regarding maturity? Likewise, are there any 'indicators' for potential (or any other areas, for that matter) that you look for?

Admittedly, at the end of the day, my biggest fear would be to fail pilot's course (particularly after getting an IMPS from ADFA) so I want to make sure that if I'm offered a place as a pilot, I put myself in the best possible position (and state of mind) to pass (and hopefully excel at) pilot's course.

Thank you.
Got ASP coming up soon so any advice will be great to take into OSB if successful at ASP.
The ASP should enlighten you on a number of aspects. If you want to punch holes in the sky than the RAAF is the only way to go. But bear in mind that you join as Officer Aviation in the RAAF which means you can end up being a number of things, aviation wise, apart from pilot and also not necessarily a fast jet pilot i.e UAV pilot. The Navy and Army do sign you up as helicopter pilot and that is where you go and either gain your wings or not.

In respect to IMPS for ADFA that is your choice. A couple of points. You get paid whilst gaining a degree and you have a job after gaining that degree. So worst case scenario is unsuccessful on pilots course but have a few years of paid employment (of which you may end up finding that you really enjoy even if not pushing and pulling). This as opposed to civvy street where you owe for your degree and either do not have a job or one that is not related to your degree.

Maturity? Well there are a number of 22/23 year old's out there as DEO's doing it. I think you will find that the maturity aspect is highly related to what you have done, application, and also to an appreciation of what you are getting yourself into. By what you have said I would think that your maturity is fine.

Leadership is still looked at but not as heavily as once with MACTS results having a major bearing. But like anything if you have two candidates that have very similar results who do you pick. The one with a track record/history in what you are looking for.

Confidence ;
  • I certainly have a goal. Tick
  • I believe I've got the motivation. No you have shown you have motivation through going through the RC BS and undertaking flying lessons
  • I believe I can apply myself (at least based on school experience). I have shown application through my school results and xyz
  • I don't know about the potential [yet] (I've flown a little which I loved and seemed to "understand" - for what it's worth in ~10 hrs - according to instructors). According to my instruction I have potential and as far as an OSB goes shown through your MACTS results.
  • I think I have a realistic appreciation for the difficulty and demands of pilot's course. I have looked into pilots course, spoken to xyz, read forums, asked questions to gain an insight into what I am undertaking.
With the OSB suffice to say be prepared. In regards to how it once was, with blood having to be cleaned up before the next interview, to how it is now it has evolved into a more civilised equation.

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[QUOTE=Zacertsy2005;11268424]Thanks for that advice I'll make sure to keep in touch with DFR in order to keep my application progressing and I'll make sure to get my assessment day out of the way. How long is the process between AD-ASP-OSB is this process feasible to complete in year 12?. Fingers crossed there are no medical issues and my preparation pays off.[/QUOT

Unable to give you a time line Zac. To many variables from the RC loosing your app to issues with maybe your medical to completed ASP and although your in the pool your call up to an OSB may be as long as a piece of string if there are others that are ahead of you or more going into the pool in a better position.
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 07:28
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Just got back from DFR today and got some info regarding those who are looking at joining for the 2024 ADFA intake. The recruiter I spoke to confirmed that assessment days for the 2024 intake wonít take place until around Feb-ish and at least any applicants from the Newcastle centre have been placed in a queue for next year. Itís a bit unfortunate as it tightens the schedule for going through all the steps but it gives a bit more of timeline. Hope this helps if anyone was wondering.
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 23:35
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Originally Posted by Zacertsy2005 View Post
Just got back from DFR today and got some info regarding those who are looking at joining for the 2024 ADFA intake. The recruiter I spoke to confirmed that assessment days for the 2024 intake won’t take place until around Feb-ish and at least any applicants from the Newcastle centre have been placed in a queue for next year. It’s a bit unfortunate as it tightens the schedule for going through all the steps but it gives a bit more of timeline. Hope this helps if anyone was wondering.

I know you don't want to rock the boat but I would be questioning that. I wonder if it is just Newcastle or is this a nationwide RC thing. Ring Parra RC and ask when you can do your testing for ADFA 2024, without giving your location or give one on Sydney (relations or friends in Sydney.) Or call 131901 and ask when you can do your testing.
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Old 31st Jul 2022, 04:36
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I know you don't want to rock the boat but I would be questioning that. I wonder if it is just Newcastle or is this a nationwide RC thing. Ring Parra RC and ask when you can do your testing for ADFA 2024, without giving your location or give one on Sydney (relations or friends in Sydney.) Or call 131901 and ask when you can do your testing.

Was on the phone with 131901 and they reiterated what Newcastle said not running assessment days for adfa 2024 until next year. I asked them for further clarification and they said assessment day results only last one year and that your enlistment must be within that one year period with zero flexibility. I guess it gives me more time to continue studying everything I can about defence, practice my mental arithmetic/other CBAT skills and get more flight time in
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Old 31st Jul 2022, 06:47
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Originally Posted by Zacertsy2005 View Post
Was on the phone with 131901 and they reiterated what Newcastle said not running assessment days for adfa 2024 until next year. I asked them for further clarification and they said assessment day results only last one year and that your enlistment must be within that one year period with zero flexibility. I guess it gives me more time to continue studying everything I can about defence, practice my mental arithmetic/other CBAT skills and get more flight time in
Zack check your PM's, make that times two. Enlistment within one year of assessment is very questionable. As I indicated, your MACTS results will supersede your RC assessment, your OSB will supersede your RC interview.

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Old 29th Aug 2022, 07:06
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Originally Posted by finestkind View Post
The ASP should enlighten you on a number of aspects. If you want to punch holes in the sky than the RAAF is the only way to go. But bear in mind that you join as Officer Aviation in the RAAF which means you can end up being a number of things, aviation wise, apart from pilot and also not necessarily a fast jet pilot i.e UAV pilot. The Navy and Army do sign you up as helicopter pilot and that is where you go and either gain your wings or not.

In respect to IMPS for ADFA that is your choice. A couple of points. You get paid whilst gaining a degree and you have a job after gaining that degree. So worst case scenario is unsuccessful on pilots course but have a few years of paid employment (of which you may end up finding that you really enjoy even if not pushing and pulling). This as opposed to civvy street where you owe for your degree and either do not have a job or one that is not related to your degree.

Maturity? Well there are a number of 22/23 year old's out there as DEO's doing it. I think you will find that the maturity aspect is highly related to what you have done, application, and also to an appreciation of what you are getting yourself into. By what you have said I would think that your maturity is fine.

Leadership is still looked at but not as heavily as once with MACTS results having a major bearing. But like anything if you have two candidates that have very similar results who do you pick. The one with a track record/history in what you are looking for.

Confidence ;
  • I certainly have a goal. Tick
  • I believe I've got the motivation. No you have shown you have motivation through going through the RC BS and undertaking flying lessons
  • I believe I can apply myself (at least based on school experience). I have shown application through my school results and xyz
  • I don't know about the potential [yet] (I've flown a little which I loved and seemed to "understand" - for what it's worth in ~10 hrs - according to instructors). According to my instruction I have potential and as far as an OSB goes shown through your MACTS results.
  • I think I have a realistic appreciation for the difficulty and demands of pilot's course. I have looked into pilots course, spoken to xyz, read forums, asked questions to gain an insight into what I am undertaking.
With the OSB suffice to say be prepared. In regards to how it once was, with blood having to be cleaned up before the next interview, to how it is now it has evolved into a more civilised equation.
Many thanks for your insights finest kind. It appears my initial reply didn't come through so I'm resubmitting it here.
Thanks again.
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Old 29th Aug 2022, 07:31
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Was on the phone with 131901 and they reiterated what Newcastle said not running assessment days for adfa 2024 until next year. I asked them for further clarification and they said assessment day results only last one year and that your enlistment must be within that one year period with zero flexibility.
Can confirm that I was told the same thing last year re ADFA 2023 intake. They only did Assessment Days (in my capital city) for ADFA in the year preceding the ADFA intake. YOU Session and Additional Testing can occur at any time though (provided they remain valid).
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Old 29th Aug 2022, 07:34
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Can confirm that I was told the same thing last year re ADFA 2023 intake. They only did Assessment Days (in my capital city) for ADFA in the year preceding the ADFA intake. YOU Session and Additional Testing can occur at any time though (provided they remain valid).
Yeah Iíve done my you session and additional testing already so Iíll just be waiting on assessment day. Iíll give them a visit around November or have a talk with the head recruiter of Newcastle when I go down on a tour next school holidays.
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Sounds like a load of twaddle to me. Look at it this way. You have passed everything, testing, OSB and been given a Letter Of Offer but the enlistment date will be outside the 12 months of the assessment day (which for DEO's is a strong possibility). So does it make sense that you have to go back and do the assessment day again? Either someone has done a typical administrative stuff up or the RC's have instituted this for their own benefit.
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Sounds like a load of twaddle to me. Look at it this way. You have passed everything, testing, OSB and been given a Letter Of Offer but the enlistment date will be outside the 12 months of the assessment day (which for DEO's is a strong possibility). So does it make sense that you have to go back and do the assessment day again? Either someone has done a typical administrative stuff up or the RC's have instituted this for their own benefit.
I have since spoke with a mate whoís currently at Pearce, assessment days being a year before is purely rc side and you donít need to retake your assignment day he was well outside that 12 month window after he had to sort out some medical stuff so Iím assuming something must supersedes it at some point
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Assessment Day Booked In!!!!!

Awesome news guys I have just booked in my assessment day for the 11 of October, so keen and I hope it goes well. Been studying hard so fingers crossed it should go well. Any advice?
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Hey Everyone,

I've got my ASP coming up and have been practicing frequently using the CBAT app and just brushing up on my mental math. I was wondering if there are any other apps/website out there that you guys found useful for your ASP prep? cheers!
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Hey everyone,

After skimming this thread, I thought I'd reach out for some advice regarding my intention towards a RAAF OA role (fast-jet specifically). Thank you to previous contributors, I've learnt a lot already!

I'm currently 30, and I work as a physio. I am hoping someone could give me some insight as to whether my age, social history, or any medical factors would be a firm barrier against my chances.

My social background is that I do not have a mother (her loss put a strain on the family) and have very much had to be the leader of my family over the last decade, which is what led me towards being a physio, as I could be close and support everyone whilst chasing an ambitious career. My intention is to be honest with this during OSB/ psych examination (if I get there), I have absolutely no idea if my situation would be flagged as a concern, or a case of emphasising my ability to navigate hardship/ challenges as I pretty much led my family into now having a very healthy dynamic.

I do believe these social factors have accelerated me towards being ticking the boxes for having the personality traits that ADF seem to express as their selection criteria. Definitely function well under pressure, am adaptable, and have a reflective approach to learning/ work ethic.

Medically, self-assessed with a Snelling chart, I apparently have 20/20 vision, never had issues. Went to an optometrist and they advised I was just below 20/20, which is correctable to 20/20. Also have noticed an asymptomatic potentially varicose vein as well. Are they a hard no on any vision below 20/20?
I should also note, I have never been diagnosed with any mental health issues from the above circumstances, so a clean record in that regard.

At the moment I'm applying the knowledge I have with my profession to get my body as fit as possible, have been training 8-10 times a week with a battery of exercises whilst committing 2 hours of study daily on top of work, to prepare for an application.

Just wanting to set my expectations, any feedback or advice would be appreciated I will apply regardless as I believe working towards this goal will make me a better person anyway.
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Hey Everyone,

I've got my ASP coming up and have been practicing frequently using the CBAT app and just brushing up on my mental math. I was wondering if there are any other apps/website out there that you guys found useful for your ASP prep? cheers!

Hey Mate,

If you can make some space in your message box, I'll send you some advice directly. Let me know if you're interested. Emphasis on this Nickyy_AK as I cannot respond to your message.

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Hey Mate,

If you can make some space in your message box, I'll send you some advice directly. Let me know if you're interested.
Thanks VHOEG, I would appreciate the message.
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Hey Mate,

If you can make some space in your message box, I'll send you some advice directly. Let me know if you're interested. Emphasis on this Nickyy_AK as I cannot respond to your message.
likewise please mate
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I am also interested VHOEG, if you have any advice for the general aptitude testing as well? I have been out of school 11 years and when I first sat the YOU session aptitude test, I didn't pass the initial screening for pilot (11 years ago). I spent 6 years in the green and have been on civvy street for 5. I miss the uniform and have always been interested in aviation. I am currently working on mental math and putting some time in on the ADF aptitude training app, anything else I should be looking at?
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