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Does anyone know how long it takes the FSP board to actually give you a spot before they call you.
I got offered OSB for ACO and JBAC and the lady told me almost instantly that I will not be paneled for flight screening this year, which makes sense because I did assessment day in August and finished medicals in late august.
I know they call you around 2 weeks out but once they receive your file how is it distributed? If you are amazing do you get paneled sooner than those already locked in?? I just want to know if they see your application do they instantly grade it as competitive and give you a spot, even if it is months down the track?
Would I not have been paneled this year because the spots for OSB were already booked, or because I am not competitive??
To the people going to OSB over the next 6 weeks, good luck and see if you can sus out an info for us folk
I got offered OSB for ACO and JBAC and the lady told me almost instantly that I will not be paneled for flight screening this year, which makes sense because I did assessment day in August and finished medicals in late august.
I know they call you around 2 weeks out but once they receive your file how is it distributed? If you are amazing do you get paneled sooner than those already locked in?? I just want to know if they see your application do they instantly grade it as competitive and give you a spot, even if it is months down the track?
Would I not have been paneled this year because the spots for OSB were already booked, or because I am not competitive??
To the people going to OSB over the next 6 weeks, good luck and see if you can sus out an info for us folk
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harrybass3,
There are several points to touch on but briefly:
Once your files is ticked off/recommended by DFR (for pilot and FSP), it gets sent to PSA at Tamworth - this can take a few weeks. Once there your dossier has to be paper graded by the board their to determine its competitiveness.
Once it gets a graded score, you will sit in the FSP pool until your file is competitive enough amongst those there to be placed on an FSP course. If your dossier is amazing, you will sit amongst the top applicants ready to be placed for the next available/applicable course (DEO/ADFA). You can get notified anywhere from a month to a week out from FSP depending on late pullouts etc.
I would think it unlikely (although not impossible) that they would bother booking FSP programs more than a month or two in advance because it is not in their interests to do so.
According to the FSP PSA course schedule - the end of the year is mostly ADFA candidates so that they can get them ready prior to offers early in the new year and courses starting early next year. I can't speak to what the story is if you're an ADFA candidate; it seems like there are 4 more courses from Nov through to Dec. If you are a DEO candidate, the last 3 courses for FSP for this year are 16 Oct, 23 Oct and 30 Oct. Unless someone pulls out, they will most likely have already been filled for the year.
Without knowing your personal circumstances, it is most likely you were not paneled because the courses were already full. If you are highly competitive and someone pulls out, you might get offered a spot on one of the above but this is less than likely. It may of course also be a case of your file not being particularly competitive in which case you are in the waiting game with most people.
Let me know if there's something I haven't covered!
There are several points to touch on but briefly:
Once your files is ticked off/recommended by DFR (for pilot and FSP), it gets sent to PSA at Tamworth - this can take a few weeks. Once there your dossier has to be paper graded by the board their to determine its competitiveness.
Once it gets a graded score, you will sit in the FSP pool until your file is competitive enough amongst those there to be placed on an FSP course. If your dossier is amazing, you will sit amongst the top applicants ready to be placed for the next available/applicable course (DEO/ADFA). You can get notified anywhere from a month to a week out from FSP depending on late pullouts etc.
I would think it unlikely (although not impossible) that they would bother booking FSP programs more than a month or two in advance because it is not in their interests to do so.
According to the FSP PSA course schedule - the end of the year is mostly ADFA candidates so that they can get them ready prior to offers early in the new year and courses starting early next year. I can't speak to what the story is if you're an ADFA candidate; it seems like there are 4 more courses from Nov through to Dec. If you are a DEO candidate, the last 3 courses for FSP for this year are 16 Oct, 23 Oct and 30 Oct. Unless someone pulls out, they will most likely have already been filled for the year.
Without knowing your personal circumstances, it is most likely you were not paneled because the courses were already full. If you are highly competitive and someone pulls out, you might get offered a spot on one of the above but this is less than likely. It may of course also be a case of your file not being particularly competitive in which case you are in the waiting game with most people.
Let me know if there's something I haven't covered!
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Legal Advice,
Thanks for the help.
I think it would be most likely it is that FSP is full. If I was not competitive as an officer I don't think they would have sent me a OSB slot for ACO and JBAC. They obviously think I have the leadership skills and potential.
My medical was only just passed with provisional clearance for all my preferences. I am a DEO candidate so it may just mean flight screening was full for the year, which gives me peace of mind.
Thanks for the help.
I think it would be most likely it is that FSP is full. If I was not competitive as an officer I don't think they would have sent me a OSB slot for ACO and JBAC. They obviously think I have the leadership skills and potential.
My medical was only just passed with provisional clearance for all my preferences. I am a DEO candidate so it may just mean flight screening was full for the year, which gives me peace of mind.
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Back tracking through this thread suggests offers for the first courses of the year are released around the 3rd week of November.
I'm fishing here - BUT, has anyone got some intel from DFR case managers / Tamworth on release dates to suggest the same or anything different (RAAF)?
I'm fishing here - BUT, has anyone got some intel from DFR case managers / Tamworth on release dates to suggest the same or anything different (RAAF)?
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I got the call mid December last year for a February FSP. Easiest way to get the info you need is to ring Pilot Selection Flight (FSP) and ask how your dossier looks. Your dossier is graded and then place in the selection pool, they should give you a good idea about where you are sitting and when they'll look at filling spots for next year.
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Hey guys,
Does anyone know of any Army Officers who've attempted pilot selection and got through to the RAAF? I might "have a friend" who's a current cadet at RMC-D, slowly realising that they may have made a grave mistake in their career choice, and is currently looking at options to rectify that.
The alternative is leaving RMC and either applying in-service as a reserve officer cadet, or leaving altogether and reapplying through DFR - both of which involve not completing RMC, which would obviously look bad to a pilot OSB, although there is the possibility of commissioning once in the reserves, which would at least show commitment to finish what one started (the journey to commission). Life advice from those in the know appreciated. PMs preferred.
Does anyone know of any Army Officers who've attempted pilot selection and got through to the RAAF? I might "have a friend" who's a current cadet at RMC-D, slowly realising that they may have made a grave mistake in their career choice, and is currently looking at options to rectify that.
The alternative is leaving RMC and either applying in-service as a reserve officer cadet, or leaving altogether and reapplying through DFR - both of which involve not completing RMC, which would obviously look bad to a pilot OSB, although there is the possibility of commissioning once in the reserves, which would at least show commitment to finish what one started (the journey to commission). Life advice from those in the know appreciated. PMs preferred.
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TILA,
If the previous Army intake is anything to go off offers will be put later this month. I couldn't say the same about the other 2 services though.
Dilmah G,
I have PM'd you.
If the previous Army intake is anything to go off offers will be put later this month. I couldn't say the same about the other 2 services though.
Dilmah G,
I have PM'd you.
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I am a long time reader but first time poster here and would like to start by thanking everyone for their contributions to this thread. It is an invaluable resource for those approaching flight screening.
My file was sent to Tamworth in September and I am eagerly awaiting a place at Flight Screening. In response to those asking about offers/intakes for next year I spoke to PSA this morning and was told that the next round of placements will be made in early December. I was also told that I am sitting in the middle of the pool which makes me a little apprehensive because (like all of us) I was aiming to be at the top.
Does anyone have any experience with pool placements? More specifically, do people in the middle of the pool generally get a spot eventually, or am I realistically looking at remaining in limbo while stronger applicants are put into the pool of candidates?
My file was sent to Tamworth in September and I am eagerly awaiting a place at Flight Screening. In response to those asking about offers/intakes for next year I spoke to PSA this morning and was told that the next round of placements will be made in early December. I was also told that I am sitting in the middle of the pool which makes me a little apprehensive because (like all of us) I was aiming to be at the top.
Does anyone have any experience with pool placements? More specifically, do people in the middle of the pool generally get a spot eventually, or am I realistically looking at remaining in limbo while stronger applicants are put into the pool of candidates?
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Hello everyone, this is my first post thank you for all the info you guys have shared it's an amazing thread! Quick question; is there any calculus involved in the OSB or in the FSP? Thank you and would you know if there is any once you're admitted into the RAAF? Thanks, Luke
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Staffydog,
Just want to clarify. When you mentioned December release for offers are you referring to;
1. FSP placement spots or job offers?
2. DEO or ADFA?
Things i've heard/speculated about RAAF offers for FEB/MAR 2017
1. Released in the last week of October (DFR to a coursemate)
2. "We have no idea when offers will be released. As soon as we hear anything we will let you know" (Case manager)
3. 2009-Present shows them being released from 11th NOV - 2 DEC (this thread)
Don't have much info on pool numbers at the moment prior to FSP. I would assume they are increasing though as DEO course frequency drops off towards the end of the year. In saying that though there is a heap of them at the beginning of the year so you never know. Good luck
Luke22, SDT and single digit by double digit multiplication/division.
Forever fishing for information about DEO RAAF,
JBWings
Just want to clarify. When you mentioned December release for offers are you referring to;
1. FSP placement spots or job offers?
2. DEO or ADFA?
Things i've heard/speculated about RAAF offers for FEB/MAR 2017
1. Released in the last week of October (DFR to a coursemate)
2. "We have no idea when offers will be released. As soon as we hear anything we will let you know" (Case manager)
3. 2009-Present shows them being released from 11th NOV - 2 DEC (this thread)
Don't have much info on pool numbers at the moment prior to FSP. I would assume they are increasing though as DEO course frequency drops off towards the end of the year. In saying that though there is a heap of them at the beginning of the year so you never know. Good luck
Luke22, SDT and single digit by double digit multiplication/division.
Forever fishing for information about DEO RAAF,
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JBWings,
Apologies, re-reading my comment I was a little unclear. I was specifically referring to DEO spots for Flight Screening. I am also going for Army so it may be different for the other services. From my understanding of the conversation I had, all spots for this year have been filled (unsurprising as the last DEO FSP kicks off very soon) and the offers for the first rounds of flight screening next year will go out in early December. I am not sure if this is specific to Army or for all three services and I am only going off what I was told over the phone. I don't have any other information, sources or evidence to confirm it either way.
Apologies, re-reading my comment I was a little unclear. I was specifically referring to DEO spots for Flight Screening. I am also going for Army so it may be different for the other services. From my understanding of the conversation I had, all spots for this year have been filled (unsurprising as the last DEO FSP kicks off very soon) and the offers for the first rounds of flight screening next year will go out in early December. I am not sure if this is specific to Army or for all three services and I am only going off what I was told over the phone. I don't have any other information, sources or evidence to confirm it either way.
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Long story short - I had a RAAF pilot offer signed and ready to start June last year but was made Class 4 from avmed due to laser eye surgery. Appealed and lost. Granted a waiver about two months ago. Had to resit additional testing and my Assessment Day last week as they had all expired. Booked in to redo all the medicals as well (dentist/opthalmologist/bloods). Good news is FSP CO confirmed after my Assessment Day I won't have to resit Flight screening or the OSB and file will go straight back into job pool hopefully for another offer.
So moral of my story is - I spoke to FSP this morning - was advised job offers won't be sent out (for RAAF at least) until the final DEO screenings are complete and have been graded. They indicated early December for this. The CO who approved me not having to resit OSB and screening is the same person who determines the offers that are made (for RAAF) so hopefully fairly accurate.
Although that being said - My initial offer for RAAF pilot was received in October 2014 for a start in June 2015.
So moral of my story is - I spoke to FSP this morning - was advised job offers won't be sent out (for RAAF at least) until the final DEO screenings are complete and have been graded. They indicated early December for this. The CO who approved me not having to resit OSB and screening is the same person who determines the offers that are made (for RAAF) so hopefully fairly accurate.
Although that being said - My initial offer for RAAF pilot was received in October 2014 for a start in June 2015.
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Boltyy,
That sounds so rough on you; from experience, getting that Class 4 letter is heartbreaking and it's so average that AvMed balked at your file so late in the piece. Good news re: resitting OSB - it seems your update is as good as any of us have had this end of the year. It also follows the logic that they'd wait to see if there are any diamonds late in the year.
I've heard some nasty rumours about aviation in the ADF effectively downsizing in the (near?) future which makes me nervous.
Hanging in there,
ThisIsntLegalAdvice
That sounds so rough on you; from experience, getting that Class 4 letter is heartbreaking and it's so average that AvMed balked at your file so late in the piece. Good news re: resitting OSB - it seems your update is as good as any of us have had this end of the year. It also follows the logic that they'd wait to see if there are any diamonds late in the year.
I've heard some nasty rumours about aviation in the ADF effectively downsizing in the (near?) future which makes me nervous.
Hanging in there,
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Hi All,
I just have a question which so far I have trouble getting a specific answer to through my research.
Going through the selection process for a pilot with the ADF it has been drilled in that you are applying for officer first, pilot second.
I'm aware that an officers role is to lead, mentor, make decisions etc etc however what does this look like specifically? What is the role of an officer on a day to day basis, who exactly are you leading, what are your responsibilities to the ones you lead and how much involvement do you have in planning/discipline/decisions being made?
I understand that this differs depending on your time in the role, the aircraft type you fly and the purpose of your missions but some examples or specifics would be of great help.
Thanks in advance, Jen
I just have a question which so far I have trouble getting a specific answer to through my research.
Going through the selection process for a pilot with the ADF it has been drilled in that you are applying for officer first, pilot second.
I'm aware that an officers role is to lead, mentor, make decisions etc etc however what does this look like specifically? What is the role of an officer on a day to day basis, who exactly are you leading, what are your responsibilities to the ones you lead and how much involvement do you have in planning/discipline/decisions being made?
I understand that this differs depending on your time in the role, the aircraft type you fly and the purpose of your missions but some examples or specifics would be of great help.
Thanks in advance, Jen
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Jen,
Depends on a number of factors. Service and aircraft type being the big ones. I can talk to the RAAF only and the answer is you are a Pilot first and an "Officer" second (In my opinion). What I mean by that is when you first arrive at the SQN as a junior PLTOFF/FLGOFF your job is to fly, you will have basically no leadership role. As you progress through your career you will get more and more responsibility. Starting with progressing through as a Captain in your first tour on heavies or progressing as a 2 ship and then 4 ship lead on Fighters. The leadership role is not in it's typical sense though, as a Captain/2 or 4 ship lead you will make airborne decisions and direct other crew/formation members but that tis about the extent of it.
After ~10 years in you will look at promotion to SQNLDR where you will pick up a flight commander then XO gig, this is where the leadership role in its typical sense begins.
As far as other Officer related duties go there is a few that you will always be doing, promotion courses etc.
The above is the truth of it but I would suggest that recruiting would like to hear you say that you are willing to take on the role of an officer etc. etc. I.e Officer first, Pilot second.
Hope this helps, good luck everyone.
Depends on a number of factors. Service and aircraft type being the big ones. I can talk to the RAAF only and the answer is you are a Pilot first and an "Officer" second (In my opinion). What I mean by that is when you first arrive at the SQN as a junior PLTOFF/FLGOFF your job is to fly, you will have basically no leadership role. As you progress through your career you will get more and more responsibility. Starting with progressing through as a Captain in your first tour on heavies or progressing as a 2 ship and then 4 ship lead on Fighters. The leadership role is not in it's typical sense though, as a Captain/2 or 4 ship lead you will make airborne decisions and direct other crew/formation members but that tis about the extent of it.
After ~10 years in you will look at promotion to SQNLDR where you will pick up a flight commander then XO gig, this is where the leadership role in its typical sense begins.
As far as other Officer related duties go there is a few that you will always be doing, promotion courses etc.
The above is the truth of it but I would suggest that recruiting would like to hear you say that you are willing to take on the role of an officer etc. etc. I.e Officer first, Pilot second.
Hope this helps, good luck everyone.
See my post 3105 in this thread for more info.
That was not my experience, which was RAAF, but maybe is the case in the Army??
You don't really want the true answer, it's pretty heart breaking. Officer first; pilot fourth or fifth.
