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Originally Posted by Joker89
Nicholas, don't let the BFTS kiddies get you down. They prob wasted 3 years at adfa.
I'm not going to ride the ever-popular ADFA bashing bandwagon; the people you're referring to didn't go to ADFA, but it is a perfectly viable choice. Whoever is considering applying for that mode of entry, don't let these erroneous attitudes have an impact your choice. There are pros and cons to both.
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So anyone know when and how many offers are being put out for RAAF DEO? I'm going to call around tomorrow and see what I can find out. I will post what I know after that if no one beats me to it.
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Hi Captain Sand Dune,
Not sure how to take your post, I am presuming there is humour involved
This has been such a long fight for my husband. He joined the army at 16, completed his apprenticeship, then HSC and was accepted for flight training. I believe at that point in time the age cut off was 26 - his dreams were shattered when he had to undergo a knee reconstruction and by the time he had rehabilitated, he had missed the cut off age - he then decided to leave the defence force after serving 10 years.
About 14 months ago I was talking to a girlfriend (as we do) and she mentioned her husband going to flight screening anyway to cut a long story short we found out the age cut off had been increased. Hence the application. I think the first time we applied was about 14 months ago and in this time my husband has lost close to 20kgs, exercises like a demon, has got his cholesterol down to normal levels by diet alone and is basically the fittest he has ever been.
It's amazing what motivation can do for you - he is so focused and I am personally so excited at the prospect of him living his dream.
Flight screening is the next step, so we are nervously anticipating the call/letter.
Worst case scenario is that he is fit and healthy but the kids and I all have our fingers and toes crossed for him.
Not sure how to take your post, I am presuming there is humour involved
This has been such a long fight for my husband. He joined the army at 16, completed his apprenticeship, then HSC and was accepted for flight training. I believe at that point in time the age cut off was 26 - his dreams were shattered when he had to undergo a knee reconstruction and by the time he had rehabilitated, he had missed the cut off age - he then decided to leave the defence force after serving 10 years.
About 14 months ago I was talking to a girlfriend (as we do) and she mentioned her husband going to flight screening anyway to cut a long story short we found out the age cut off had been increased. Hence the application. I think the first time we applied was about 14 months ago and in this time my husband has lost close to 20kgs, exercises like a demon, has got his cholesterol down to normal levels by diet alone and is basically the fittest he has ever been.
It's amazing what motivation can do for you - he is so focused and I am personally so excited at the prospect of him living his dream.
Flight screening is the next step, so we are nervously anticipating the call/letter.
Worst case scenario is that he is fit and healthy but the kids and I all have our fingers and toes crossed for him.
Wag
Great to see someone chasing their dream and actually applying themselves.
I do not wish to appear to be a doomsayer but unless your hubby is one of those natural freaks it is a long shot. Not wishing to pour cold water over a dream but hopefully there is some realistic appreaciation of his chances.
The grapevine has it that intake numbers are down for all three services and the RAAF is only, at the present time, after fast jet jockies.
Good luck
Great to see someone chasing their dream and actually applying themselves.
I do not wish to appear to be a doomsayer but unless your hubby is one of those natural freaks it is a long shot. Not wishing to pour cold water over a dream but hopefully there is some realistic appreaciation of his chances.
The grapevine has it that intake numbers are down for all three services and the RAAF is only, at the present time, after fast jet jockies.
Good luck
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Hi all,
I'm 15 (16 in Sep), starting year 10 this year. I want to proceed to a career as a fast jet pilot in the RAAF, but I'm not sure what to do about consulting a careers councillor and whatnot. I have picked subjects like Maths B and Aeronautical Engineering, and I do plan to join the RAAF Cadets ASAP. I don't have any medical conditions, but my right index finger had about 3mm chopped off the end in an accident on a Scout hike in 2009. I was wondering though, should I try for Direct Entry, or should I go to ADFA? I would prefer to go via Direct Entry and spend some cash on glider lessons (as suggested by multiple people on the thread) and get about 15hrs on it so I have some sort of "hands-on" experience with flying an aircraft, but if ADFA would be a better way, I wouldn't ignore it as an option.
I'm 15 (16 in Sep), starting year 10 this year. I want to proceed to a career as a fast jet pilot in the RAAF, but I'm not sure what to do about consulting a careers councillor and whatnot. I have picked subjects like Maths B and Aeronautical Engineering, and I do plan to join the RAAF Cadets ASAP. I don't have any medical conditions, but my right index finger had about 3mm chopped off the end in an accident on a Scout hike in 2009. I was wondering though, should I try for Direct Entry, or should I go to ADFA? I would prefer to go via Direct Entry and spend some cash on glider lessons (as suggested by multiple people on the thread) and get about 15hrs on it so I have some sort of "hands-on" experience with flying an aircraft, but if ADFA would be a better way, I wouldn't ignore it as an option.
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Thanks finestkind,
Yep we are realistic but the worst case is a "no" and if you don't try, you will never know.
I would say he is a bit of a freak so will keep you posted on his progress.
Cheers
Liz
Yep we are realistic but the worst case is a "no" and if you don't try, you will never know.
I would say he is a bit of a freak
so will keep you posted on his progress. Cheers
Liz
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Leadership Opportunities
Hey again everyone,
I've been looking around at leadership opportunities since getting knocked back. I'm in the SES and have gone back to full-time work/part-time uni seeking a promotion at work.
I also had the though of joining the Scouts as an adult member/leader as well as the Big Brother program.
Is anyone able to give their thoughts on what stead this would put me in for the next time I'm in the interview chair?
LM
I've been looking around at leadership opportunities since getting knocked back. I'm in the SES and have gone back to full-time work/part-time uni seeking a promotion at work.
I also had the though of joining the Scouts as an adult member/leader as well as the Big Brother program.
Is anyone able to give their thoughts on what stead this would put me in for the next time I'm in the interview chair?
LM
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RandosaurusRex,
The ADFA DEO question is a very personal thing to answer. They both will get you onto pilots course, one 3 years later than the other, but with a degree in hand.
You've got to weigh it up yourself, its not really something anyone else can answer for you.
Perhaps think of things like am I mature enough to tackle DEO, do I need a few years at ADFA to further develop such traits, can I stand waiting 3 years before beginning pilots course
etc.
I had to make the same decision, and have no regrets going DEO.
Cheers
Nick
The ADFA DEO question is a very personal thing to answer. They both will get you onto pilots course, one 3 years later than the other, but with a degree in hand.
You've got to weigh it up yourself, its not really something anyone else can answer for you.
Perhaps think of things like am I mature enough to tackle DEO, do I need a few years at ADFA to further develop such traits, can I stand waiting 3 years before beginning pilots course
etc.I had to make the same decision, and have no regrets going DEO.
Cheers
Nick
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Hi Folks,
I'm about to go for my assesment day.
I got an interesting call just the other day. DFR rang me up to conduct a 'mock interview' for assessment day.
Is this a recent thing? I definitely do not recall a similar thing happening when I applied back in the day. It seems like a strange thing to do.
I'm about to go for my assesment day.
I got an interesting call just the other day. DFR rang me up to conduct a 'mock interview' for assessment day.
Is this a recent thing? I definitely do not recall a similar thing happening when I applied back in the day. It seems like a strange thing to do.
Originally Posted by Joker89
Nicholas, don't let the BFTS kiddies get you down. They prob wasted 3 years at adfa.
I'm not going to ride the ever-popular ADFA bashing bandwagon; the people you're referring to didn't go to ADFA, but it is a perfectly viable choice. Whoever is considering applying for that mode of entry, don't let these erroneous attitudes have an impact your choice. There are pros and cons to both.
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Sorry to hark back to post #2044 but ...
It was called "You've Got The Job (2006)' and was hosted by Chris Bath being aired on Ch 7.
For those desperately keen there is a DVD copy of the free to air broadcast sitting at Deakin University (Geelong) as per below link.
You've got the job (DVD video, 2006) [WorldCat.org]
My recollection is that it was pretty good and although a little dated might answer a few questions for some aspiring candidates.
It was called "You've Got The Job (2006)' and was hosted by Chris Bath being aired on Ch 7.
For those desperately keen there is a DVD copy of the free to air broadcast sitting at Deakin University (Geelong) as per below link.
You've got the job (DVD video, 2006) [WorldCat.org]
My recollection is that it was pretty good and although a little dated might answer a few questions for some aspiring candidates.
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I remember watching it back in the day. From memory WDCDR Smith, currently at PSA was the guy on that doco 'grilling' the pilot applicants. Thought I recognized him from somewhere, now I remember!
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Waiting for PSA
Hello all,
This is my first post on the forum. Up until now, reading peoples posts on this thread has been really helpful in preparing me for things like my aptitude testing and assessment day, so thank you.
As I'm sure is the same with many of you, I have dreamed of becoming a RAAF fighter pilot since I was a little kid. Right now, however, I will accept any pilot offer in any service. I passed my assessment day for RAAF pilot and I believe DFR is sending my info to PSA this week, now I play the waiting game...
I have a few questions that, if answered, will put me at ease until, God willing, I get that phone call inviting me to a FSP course.
Firstly, DFR explained to me that once you pass your assessment day and your file is passed on to PSA, you are assigned a quantified value and placed in a rank with all the other candidates. The highest ranking 7 or 9 candidates (depending on the number of places available on each course) are invited to the next FSP course.
Does anyone have a rough idea of the ratio of candidates who pass their assessment day to the candidates who get a spot on a FSP course?
When quantifying your 'potential', I gather PSA accounts for factors like motivation, pilot aptitude performance, leadership potential and suitability as an ADF officer.
I dont suppose anyone knows how they calculate your value in the ranking?
And finally, for those that have been on FSP, how much notice do they give you before your course starts?
Appreciate your help
This is my first post on the forum. Up until now, reading peoples posts on this thread has been really helpful in preparing me for things like my aptitude testing and assessment day, so thank you.
As I'm sure is the same with many of you, I have dreamed of becoming a RAAF fighter pilot since I was a little kid. Right now, however, I will accept any pilot offer in any service. I passed my assessment day for RAAF pilot and I believe DFR is sending my info to PSA this week, now I play the waiting game...
I have a few questions that, if answered, will put me at ease until, God willing, I get that phone call inviting me to a FSP course.
Firstly, DFR explained to me that once you pass your assessment day and your file is passed on to PSA, you are assigned a quantified value and placed in a rank with all the other candidates. The highest ranking 7 or 9 candidates (depending on the number of places available on each course) are invited to the next FSP course.
Does anyone have a rough idea of the ratio of candidates who pass their assessment day to the candidates who get a spot on a FSP course?
When quantifying your 'potential', I gather PSA accounts for factors like motivation, pilot aptitude performance, leadership potential and suitability as an ADF officer.
I dont suppose anyone knows how they calculate your value in the ranking?
And finally, for those that have been on FSP, how much notice do they give you before your course starts?
Appreciate your help
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G'day All,
I had my "YOU Session" recently and was given the date for my specialist pilot testing. I just have a couple of quick queries about this testing that I hoped anyone who had recently undergone it might be able to answer for me...
I am aware that it will involve essay writing, more maths testing, coordination testing, aviation related comprehension tests, and memory testing. I am really just concerned about the further maths testing. I was under the impression it was mostly speed/distance/time style questions - not overly difficult but teamed up with a short time limit! I wondered if there was other mathematical testing than this; eg, trigonometric questions similar to that of the YOU Session, regular arithmetic questions such as 3905678 x .004357 etc etc. Would very much appreciate any insight into this, and also if anyone is able to confirm or deny whether there is further reading comprehension, or abstract reasoning testing. I presume there is no interview or medical testing on the specialist testing day, and that that all comes down the track at the assessment day?...
Thanks in advance for any help guys,
Good luck with your testing!
I had my "YOU Session" recently and was given the date for my specialist pilot testing. I just have a couple of quick queries about this testing that I hoped anyone who had recently undergone it might be able to answer for me...
I am aware that it will involve essay writing, more maths testing, coordination testing, aviation related comprehension tests, and memory testing. I am really just concerned about the further maths testing. I was under the impression it was mostly speed/distance/time style questions - not overly difficult but teamed up with a short time limit! I wondered if there was other mathematical testing than this; eg, trigonometric questions similar to that of the YOU Session, regular arithmetic questions such as 3905678 x .004357 etc etc. Would very much appreciate any insight into this, and also if anyone is able to confirm or deny whether there is further reading comprehension, or abstract reasoning testing. I presume there is no interview or medical testing on the specialist testing day, and that that all comes down the track at the assessment day?...
Thanks in advance for any help guys,
Good luck with your testing!
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hey again, just had another few questions...
the first one being that before you initially apply to the ADF, what should you do, what documents should you have, physical capabilities, service knowledge etc. Basically, what do you need to do and what is involved in the YOU session for someone wanting to be a pilot.
Also, if anyone knows any links for pilot specific aptitude tests, speed/dist/time problems etc
thanks guys, much appreciated.
the first one being that before you initially apply to the ADF, what should you do, what documents should you have, physical capabilities, service knowledge etc. Basically, what do you need to do and what is involved in the YOU session for someone wanting to be a pilot.
Also, if anyone knows any links for pilot specific aptitude tests, speed/dist/time problems etc
thanks guys, much appreciated.
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Queestce,
The testing is mostly maths/logical reasoning questions. There are some aviation based questions. However, I wouldnt worry about trying to find pilot aptitude tests to practice, they usually cost money and aren't really going to prepare you any more than standard aptitude tests. Just google maths aptitude testing and do some practice tests online. If you can get quick at mental arithmatic and logical reasoning this way, you can easily apply your abilities to aviation based questions. That was my findings anyway. My main problem in the testing was solving a given problem, answering the question but feeling the urge to double check it before moving to the next question. You dont have time, quickly solve the problem, go with your gut and move on to the next question.
I dont remember there being comprehension but there is abstract reasoning.
The hand-eye coordination testing is hard to prepare for, I reckon you've either got it or you dont. I guess playing games on xbox360/PS3, especially actions games, where you're using both thumbsticks on the controller will increase your dexterity somewhat (and will make studying more fun!).
No interview and no medical, thats for assessment day.
pacificjet,
The answers to all those questions can easily be found on the DFR website, you need to do your research. Also, if theres anything you're unsure of, call them and a recruiter will point you in the right direction, a phone call also shows your motivated.
Hope this helps!
The testing is mostly maths/logical reasoning questions. There are some aviation based questions. However, I wouldnt worry about trying to find pilot aptitude tests to practice, they usually cost money and aren't really going to prepare you any more than standard aptitude tests. Just google maths aptitude testing and do some practice tests online. If you can get quick at mental arithmatic and logical reasoning this way, you can easily apply your abilities to aviation based questions. That was my findings anyway. My main problem in the testing was solving a given problem, answering the question but feeling the urge to double check it before moving to the next question. You dont have time, quickly solve the problem, go with your gut and move on to the next question.
I dont remember there being comprehension but there is abstract reasoning.
The hand-eye coordination testing is hard to prepare for, I reckon you've either got it or you dont. I guess playing games on xbox360/PS3, especially actions games, where you're using both thumbsticks on the controller will increase your dexterity somewhat (and will make studying more fun!).
No interview and no medical, thats for assessment day.
pacificjet,
The answers to all those questions can easily be found on the DFR website, you need to do your research. Also, if theres anything you're unsure of, call them and a recruiter will point you in the right direction, a phone call also shows your motivated.
Hope this helps!