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Yeah mate, I agree and am going to give it a shot! Was your initial choice RAN or did you want to do something else? Did your placement have anything to do with your results in FSP?
As many others, I am wanting to fly fast jets but am realistic and understand that this is one of the most competitive choices for applicants.
How did you find the whole process? Would love to get your insight as you have already completed it.
As many others, I am wanting to fly fast jets but am realistic and understand that this is one of the most competitive choices for applicants.
How did you find the whole process? Would love to get your insight as you have already completed it.
This may have already been addressed (57 too many pages for me) but when I went through a failure rate (2 FTS all through) of about 40-50% was typical. I have heard it is about 10-20% now. What's changed? Or are the stats wrong?
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I'd think that what CSD was quoted as saying here, would have a little bit to do with it.
Originally Posted by CSD, way back in the thread.
Back in the bad ol' days the CFI would scrub you just because he thought your eyes were too close together and he was in a bad mood. Today the justification and paperwork required, coupled with the lack of gumption displayed by some in charge fearing a redress means to actually suspend a poor student is a lot harder.
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I think you answered your own question. When you went through on the all through course all suspension were at 2FTS. Now like the good old days BFTS filter for 2FTS, hence a lot are scrubbed at BFTS and therefore less % wise at 2FTS
I think you answered your own question. When you went through on the all through course all suspension were at 2FTS. Now like the good old days BFTS filter for 2FTS, hence a lot are scrubbed at BFTS and therefore less % wise at 2FTS
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Navy 1st preference, Army 2nd, RAAF N/A, as I was only interested in Helicopters.
Pros and cons about doing it at that age, cons probably outweigh the pros, PM if you have any specific questions.
Pros and cons about doing it at that age, cons probably outweigh the pros, PM if you have any specific questions.
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madkeen - you probably are already aware of this but for Air Force pilot they prefer you to be under 27.5 - that being said they WILL take older applicants if they demonstrate significant potential for pilot training. In other words I would say do all you can to get your foot in the door, if you can make it to the FSP and then wow the pants off PSA, then you should have a shot I would think.
Well everyone, I went to the orthopaedic surgeon today for a professional opinion and he said he would put in writing that although there is a minor bone irregularity where it has healed, he considers the injury as 'Fully Healed' and 'Unlikely to cause any limitations'. Not getting my hopes up just yet but *just maybe* I might receive a class 2 medical?
I've decided to go by the book and nominate it on my medical history questionnaire because that is the right thing to do.
Have my pilot aptitude test on Monday, have been getting stuck into a lot of maths and instruments. Anybody got any friendly final tips for me?
Hopefully I can gain a high band bass which will help overshadow the previous shoulder injury? Anyways I will let you all know how I go next week.
Word of advice to people thinking of joining the Defence Force - if you skateboard - stop!
Well everyone, I went to the orthopaedic surgeon today for a professional opinion and he said he would put in writing that although there is a minor bone irregularity where it has healed, he considers the injury as 'Fully Healed' and 'Unlikely to cause any limitations'. Not getting my hopes up just yet but *just maybe* I might receive a class 2 medical?
I've decided to go by the book and nominate it on my medical history questionnaire because that is the right thing to do.
Have my pilot aptitude test on Monday, have been getting stuck into a lot of maths and instruments. Anybody got any friendly final tips for me?
Hopefully I can gain a high band bass which will help overshadow the previous shoulder injury? Anyways I will let you all know how I go next week.
Word of advice to people thinking of joining the Defence Force - if you skateboard - stop!
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BD,
Good luck with the shoulder, I don't think it will be a problem if you can just prove to them you can use it without any issues. I would let them know, which I did when I was in your position (sort of). I had a somewhat shattered finger which caused the tendon to detach and brought a third of the joint with it Required over 12 months of casting and none use of it, then screws ect....not quite as serious as a shoulder but I think you should be fine.
Oh by the way, not trying to say a finger is anything big, I would have had them cut it off if needed, just saying the docs are pretty understanding with injuries I found.
Good luck with the shoulder, I don't think it will be a problem if you can just prove to them you can use it without any issues. I would let them know, which I did when I was in your position (sort of). I had a somewhat shattered finger which caused the tendon to detach and brought a third of the joint with it
Required over 12 months of casting and none use of it, then screws ect....not quite as serious as a shoulder but I think you should be fine.Oh by the way, not trying to say a finger is anything big, I would have had them cut it off if needed, just saying the docs are pretty understanding with injuries I found.
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Additional Testing (raaf)
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I know there is a lot of information around assessment day and YOUsession, however i was wondering if anyone has done their additional testing for Pilot/ACO/ATC? Or if anyone has information regarding this. I know it will be around hand eye coordination, instrument comprehension...but other than that not to sure. If anyone has any information I would appreciate it...
Thanks.
I know there is a lot of information around assessment day and YOUsession, however i was wondering if anyone has done their additional testing for Pilot/ACO/ATC? Or if anyone has information regarding this. I know it will be around hand eye coordination, instrument comprehension...but other than that not to sure. If anyone has any information I would appreciate it...
Thanks.
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Pilot Maths test
Hi all, I have heard that in the second maths test you do at the YOU day (the pilot specific one) there may be questions on finding derivatives. Can anyone tell me if this is so as it seems like complex maths for this type of test? Has anyone done it and did it have those sorts in it? Derivatives as in dy/dx etc. Also are there quadratic equations in it?
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Hi mvdia1,
In answer to your question about the pilot specific test I believe that it includes a more advanced maths test. I think they test things not only but including trig (one of em does I hear) including SOHCAHTOA ( I would assume only on right angle 30,60 and 45 triangles as its no calculator testing). and Perhaps quadratic equations and finding derivaties but im not sure on the last two, still trying to get clarity. Perhaps someone else reading this who has done it can inform us better.
Best of luck
In answer to your question about the pilot specific test I believe that it includes a more advanced maths test. I think they test things not only but including trig (one of em does I hear) including SOHCAHTOA ( I would assume only on right angle 30,60 and 45 triangles as its no calculator testing). and Perhaps quadratic equations and finding derivaties but im not sure on the last two, still trying to get clarity. Perhaps someone else reading this who has done it can inform us better.
Best of luck
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mvdia1,
Been a while since doing the testing, but the maths stuff was all distance, speed, time stuff and multiplication/division of big numbers to test you ability to estimate. May have changed though, this was about five years ago.
PATS - That guy is an Absolute KNOB! I did his course about five years ago and i would not recommend it. If you are in Brisbane, there is a guy Named Steve Holding who does something similar, and his course was very good, i would definatley go to him over pats.
Been a while since doing the testing, but the maths stuff was all distance, speed, time stuff and multiplication/division of big numbers to test you ability to estimate. May have changed though, this was about five years ago.
PATS - That guy is an Absolute KNOB! I did his course about five years ago and i would not recommend it. If you are in Brisbane, there is a guy Named Steve Holding who does something similar, and his course was very good, i would definatley go to him over pats.
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Hi all,
Since I hear there are distance/time/speed questions in the test I have found a site with some simple practice questions I thought I would share for those interested in some basic practice. Hope it helps.: Speed Distance Time | OASC: RAF Officer and Aircrew Selection Centre
Not sure how close to the ones in the RAAF tests these are but perhaps someone else can let us know?
Best of luck to all
Since I hear there are distance/time/speed questions in the test I have found a site with some simple practice questions I thought I would share for those interested in some basic practice. Hope it helps.: Speed Distance Time | OASC: RAF Officer and Aircrew Selection Centre
Not sure how close to the ones in the RAAF tests these are but perhaps someone else can let us know?
Best of luck to all
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The site above and the RNZAF website (RNZAF - Step Up Aircrew and Officers) are the two that I found to be the most helpful for specialist testing. The RNZAF site offers some questions that are worded exactly the same as the ones you may find on some of the tests you do, the difference being the numbers used. Know how to do the questions on the RNZAF website and you'll be fine with that part of the testing. While you're driving around or just walking around the streets, do some times tables in your head as well to ensure your mental arithmetic is up to speed.
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Well I had Specific Pilot Aptitude Test today in Newcastle. Started off with the Instrument Reading and then onto Aircraft Orientation. Both not very difficult. Then moved on to the raw maths and aviation maths which got pretty difficult. At this point I was pretty sure I was crash-and-burning. Then afterwards we did the hand eye coordination tests although I don't know if they count towards your results or not? Little tip for them, be easy on the joysticks, just hold them with your fingers and use slight movements (like when correcting the attitude of an airplane).
Anyways long story short after the hand eye coord. tests we waited for AGES watch the third military movie for the day when some guy at reception calls out my name. Gives me the piece of paper to say what I'm elligible for. So I ask "How did I do" to which he replied I did really really well, pass for all pilot positions within the ADF. Yes!
On a side note he said usually the test results are usually valid for one year, but because I got a good result mine are valid for 3 years. Anybody heard about this?
Anyways long story short after the hand eye coord. tests we waited for AGES watch the third military movie for the day when some guy at reception calls out my name. Gives me the piece of paper to say what I'm elligible for. So I ask "How did I do" to which he replied I did really really well, pass for all pilot positions within the ADF. Yes!
On a side note he said usually the test results are usually valid for one year, but because I got a good result mine are valid for 3 years. Anybody heard about this?
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BurningDesire,
Good Job
Sounds pretty similar to my spec testing, during that aviation maths test I thought I'd messed it up real bad.
When I was sitting the co-ordination testing with the joysticks i kept on hearing a really loud banging noise from one of the other cubicles, I thought it might have been someone going a bit nuts but it turned out that one of the guys had decided that the best technique for him was to slap the sticks, and slap them bloody hard is what he did. Can't imagine what the recruiters would have said if they'd been in the room.
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I really wouldn't bother with the PATS stuff, there is heaps of good practice material on the net if your motivated enough to search for it. A good start would be to read through this entire thread. Which would you rather: spend $2000 on PATS or spare an afternoon.
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Anyone here been to the museum at Temora?
Good Job
Sounds pretty similar to my spec testing, during that aviation maths test I thought I'd messed it up real bad.
When I was sitting the co-ordination testing with the joysticks i kept on hearing a really loud banging noise from one of the other cubicles, I thought it might have been someone going a bit nuts but it turned out that one of the guys had decided that the best technique for him was to slap the sticks, and slap them bloody hard is what he did. Can't imagine what the recruiters would have said if they'd been in the room.
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I really wouldn't bother with the PATS stuff, there is heaps of good practice material on the net if your motivated enough to search for it. A good start would be to read through this entire thread. Which would you rather: spend $2000 on PATS or spare an afternoon.
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Anyone here been to the museum at Temora?
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Yeah I have heard of this. I recently contacted a few people at DFR (my case manager included..) to ask about the validity of my test, and they also told me 3 years. To be honest I don't think what they have to say holds much weight. No one seems to have much interest in the finer details of the applictaion process for pilots, or any other career path for that matter. I always thought that the pilot spec testing had a 1 year 'use by' date, regardless of performance. Nonetheless it's probably best to aim to get your assesement day out of the way before a year passes...
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Well done mate!
AlexanderB - I've been to the museum/air shows a few times. Last time I went they had Hornets down there, which was a good show. Went and saw the Sabre launch too. They've got plenty of aircraft but if you're after a full on air show look elsewhere, it's a display of old aircraft which means low G manoeuvres, great to see the planes flying though.
I've never heard a good thing about the PATS course, I think it costs even more than $2,000. I'm doing Dr Steven Holdings spec testing course on Thursday simply because I want to be as prepared as possible. It's a lot cheaper than PATS and has a good reputation. It probably isn't necessary but I'd rather float higher in the pool than lower! Has anyone done his aptitude course?
Yeah not sure about anything DFR say. Originally I was told JOES/YOU session results stay valid for three years...then 6 months haha. The maths course I've done has been approved but to be honest it wouldn't surprise me if I have to do another one
AlexanderB - I've been to the museum/air shows a few times. Last time I went they had Hornets down there, which was a good show. Went and saw the Sabre launch too. They've got plenty of aircraft but if you're after a full on air show look elsewhere, it's a display of old aircraft which means low G manoeuvres, great to see the planes flying though.
I've never heard a good thing about the PATS course, I think it costs even more than $2,000. I'm doing Dr Steven Holdings spec testing course on Thursday simply because I want to be as prepared as possible. It's a lot cheaper than PATS and has a good reputation. It probably isn't necessary but I'd rather float higher in the pool than lower! Has anyone done his aptitude course?
Yeah not sure about anything DFR say. Originally I was told JOES/YOU session results stay valid for three years...then 6 months haha. The maths course I've done has been approved but to be honest it wouldn't surprise me if I have to do another one
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No vapour off the wings but its still good to see what the RAAF has evolved from over the past century. Definately worth a look, good for meeting some interesting people.
I dropped in on my way down to Melbourne to have a look on sunday (Flying day). The sabre was easily my favorite, I had a chat to the bloke who flew it after the show, apparently he was the one who decided to bring his hornet along some time ago. I'm keeping in touch with him at the moment, he's got some really decent advice. Seems like a great guy.
I've never heard about this "3 year rule", I was always under the impression that the YOU results stand for 6 months and the Spec. Testing for one year but it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for DFR to change their rules.
If I'd heard about Dr. Steven Holdings course before my testing I might have had a look.
$2000 for a two day course seems a total rip-off, if I had that much I'd probably go for a flight in one of those Strikemasters, or just go gliding more often.
Does anyone one know what the big differences are between military and civilian flying.
I dropped in on my way down to Melbourne to have a look on sunday (Flying day). The sabre was easily my favorite, I had a chat to the bloke who flew it after the show, apparently he was the one who decided to bring his hornet along some time ago. I'm keeping in touch with him at the moment, he's got some really decent advice. Seems like a great guy.
I've never heard about this "3 year rule", I was always under the impression that the YOU results stand for 6 months and the Spec. Testing for one year but it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for DFR to change their rules.
If I'd heard about Dr. Steven Holdings course before my testing I might have had a look.
$2000 for a two day course seems a total rip-off, if I had that much I'd probably go for a flight in one of those Strikemasters, or just go gliding more often.
Does anyone one know what the big differences are between military and civilian flying.