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Old 25th Jan 2018, 11:22
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Also I forgot to mention, I was called up by my recuriter and asked if I wanted a sponsored trip to ADFA college in Canberra paid for by the ADF meaning paying for flights food hotels transport everything. So they spent alot of money on me clearly because they thought i was a good candidate as well as the fact that from QLD alone only about 11 were selected. So clearly I am competitive I just can't fathom why I didn't get selected, even after spending all that money on me lol. The hotel we stayed looked very expensive, it was a 4.5 star hotel lmfao, please someone give me reasoning, I am starting to lose hope.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 22:32
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Originally Posted by Akahmi
Also I forgot to mention, I was called up by my recuriter and asked if I wanted a sponsored trip to ADFA college in Canberra paid for by the ADF meaning paying for flights food hotels transport everything. So they spent alot of money on me clearly because they thought i was a good candidate as well as the fact that from QLD alone only about 11 were selected. So clearly I am competitive I just can't fathom why I didn't get selected, even after spending all that money on me lol. The hotel we stayed looked very expensive, it was a 4.5 star hotel lmfao, please someone give me reasoning, I am starting to lose hope.
The dribble you're posting might give you insight on your problem.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 08:28
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Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA
The dribble you're posting might give you insight on your problem.
Was just taking a little piss out of it lol, but thanks for your very helpful contribution judging my entire character based off a few words, you must be a psychologist?
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 23:52
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Originally Posted by Akahmi
Also I forgot to mention, I was called up by my recuriter and asked if I wanted a sponsored trip to ADFA college in Canberra paid for by the ADF meaning paying for flights food hotels transport everything. So they spent alot of money on me clearly because they thought i was a good candidate as well as the fact that from QLD alone only about 11 were selected. So clearly I am competitive I just can't fathom why I didn't get selected, even after spending all that money on me lol. The hotel we stayed looked very expensive, it was a 4.5 star hotel lmfao, please someone give me reasoning, I am starting to lose hope.
You already got your answer from FlyingSoon, its not based on just your high school results, its a whole of character assessment.

Also; "I didn't submit my form for flying hours until about 3 months later". That obviously didn't help your case.

And further to what Junior.VH said, if you cant "fathom why" you didn't get selected, he was merely highlighting that in your posts you come across as arrogant and self-entitled, which will not help you at all during the selection process. Honest self reflection might be of value to you.

Finally, FSP no longer exists, do yourself a favour and do some research.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 02:37
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Akahmi.
You state that you submitted your hours in June. That does not mean your application was at the PSF. Also you indicated they asked for your Uni results. Two points here. First your application will not be processed until they have all the documentation they need. Secondly If your Uni results were questionable, not matter what reason, and your applying for ADFA how do you think that looks. ADFA is extremely competitive with more applicants applying for pilot than can be assessed let alone the number successfully completing FSP that do not get an offer.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 03:45
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Originally Posted by finestkind
Akahmi.
You state that you submitted your hours in June. That does not mean your application was at the PSF. Also you indicated they asked for your Uni results. Two points here. First your application will not be processed until they have all the documentation they need. Secondly If your Uni results were questionable, not matter what reason, and your applying for ADFA how do you think that looks. ADFA is extremely competitive with more applicants applying for pilot than can be assessed let alone the number successfully completing FSP that do not get an offer.
Hm that's true, they said they sent it off in June to Tammsworth so they would have had my application sometime after that. I guess it's time that put the towel in and looked into commercial flying, cheers for the insight though.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 11:13
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Akahmi, I’d like to offer a small bit of advice, in the hope that you can settle down, have some introspective thoughts, and perhaps steer your application back onto the path of success.

Firstly, you have, within a very short time frame, managed to agitate some of your fellow applicants and indeed some current and former ADF aircrew, with your manner and tone of posting. If you can achieve that, online, on an anonymous forum, in less than a week, when you are ASKING for assistance, have a think about how you might come across in other situations IN PERSON.
maybe its because i'm indian
Secondly, if you quickly come to a conclusion that your ethnicity is a barrier to your selection, then I would humbly suggest that this is more of a problem you are creating. In my experience, individuals who jump to similar conclusions find it difficult to avoid these feelings affecting their personality, and it is THIS that people will judge you on - not your ethnicity. To be fair, I suggest this as a white, Anglo male who has not faced judgement based on such concerns. I will say that in my time in the RAAF, I did not witness anyone experiencing such barriers and I sincerely hope that there are none - the ADF is actively attempting to diversify its applicant intake. Don’t allow these preconceptions to be a barrier for you.

Finally, your posts are written like you are writing a text message to a mate, which, for an old-school codger like me, is not befitting of a Military Officer.
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Tammsworth
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I guess it’s time that put the towel in
doesn’t make sense and indicates a willingness to give up - there have been people on this thread who tried for MANY YEARS and took MANY ATTEMPTS to get into the ADF.

From the above, it would be all too easy to look at you just simply from your posts and perhaps dismiss your application with a “Well, looks like the ADF dodged a bullet here...” - prove me wrong!
Sincere good luck!

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Old 29th Jan 2018, 14:18
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Yeah I'll bite.

It's pretty simple. Your application won't be processed until it has been completed and you have supplied all of the appropriate documentation required. In the three months it took you to send in your flying hours, all your application did was gather dust on someone's desk. Meanwhile, 150 odd good quality applicants pushed in front of you for consideration.

You're competing against high calibre people for a pretty small number of positions. Hundreds of people make it further in the application process every year. How do you stand out in a pile of 400 resumes? An OP1 gathers attention, not a 6. Distinctions at uni gather attention, not simply attending. Team sports, leadership positions within organisations, a significant interest in aviation. You have to tick every box mate. You don't have to be the best at everything, but you have to be pretty bloody good. You have to sell your potential, sell your ability to dig in and slog your guts out for a few years and never give in.

I'll tell you right now, your ethnicity has nothing to do with it.

Pick your grades up, work your way into management, volunteer when you can, play team sports, show more of an interest in aviation. Be ruthless in how much you want it. If it seems a bit hard, GA and the airlines are as equally brutal. The only thing is they won't tell you straight to your face.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 05:51
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Originally Posted by Akahmi
trip to ADFA college
If you can’t name it correctly; it’s unlikely that they’ll pay you to attend it. “Lol”
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 08:07
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen
Alright everyone, while the individual might not have the same level of life experience as other members on this forum, I think his intentions were cordial.

But let's put the thread back on track.

I called up DFR earlier this week. I was notified that they were still waiting on "target numbers" for applicants to put through the ASP. Apparently this information is to be received by DFR in late Feb/March.

If anyone has any further information on the oh-so-long-wait, please post here.
Had a chat to my EC this week. It looks like (at least for my EC) that they are still waiting for official policies and procedures from the RAAF about how to process applicants.

As of last September the priority for candidates attending the ASP was apparently based on the date of assessment day. This is presumably to avoid as many candidates lapsing as possible. Whether or not this holds is up in the air for now. Also no word on those left in the FSP pool being given priority over others.

Nothing new regarding the nature of the screening though my money is still firmly on a CBAT battery similar to the RAF and CAF. They must be in a bit of a hurry to get everything together if they're still intent on screening at the start of March.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 12:50
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen
Come March I would of waited 10 months for the ASP, so hopefully I get an offer for the program rather than sit another 9 hour assessment day.
I'm in a similar boat to you with ASP timing coming very close to when I sat my assessment day.

But on that note, I was also told of two eventualities:

Attend ASP -> pass -> attend OSB -> assessment day lapses
= Resit the medical portion only. (unsure if specialists as well)

Attend ASP -> pass -> assessment day lapses with no OSB offer
= Resit the entire day, pysch, DI, med etc.

I think it's quite likely a fair few candidates will be re-sitting their assessment days because of the timing. Even if you assume that they will push people through quickly who don't have long before their year is up. You also have to factor in that OSBs are now separate and not pilot specific and perhaps the ACMC has no say in when they're run. They'll either need to account for the timing of the first couple of OSBs after the ASP or they just let the chips fall where they may and it's down to luck .

But as Joe mentioned above there are many people who've spent over a year to get in. In fact I think under a year from application to entry might be on the shorter side of things judging from most of the candidates I've talked to.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 23:27
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Good Morning everyone,

I am intending on starting an application to join the RAAF as a DEO Pilot and have a quick query about the new Air Academy program that is being started up. I have spoken to DFR and they were apologetically uninformed about the new processes (not their fault at all) but seeing as some people here may be in the recruitment process, I thought some one here may have some guidance.

From all the information I can find on the DFR/Air Force website, there will be two pathways into the Air Academy, one being Pilot pathway and the other Mission Elementary pathway.

There are also a few areas where it states that you will not know which operational stream you will be selected for at the time of attending the Air Academy. The information also goes on to state that you will know which pathway (pilot or mission) that you will be on in the Academy at the time of your appointment.

As it is all a little confusing to me, my question is this. Can this be read into as if you apply as a pilot applicant and successfully get recommended for pilot throughout the ASP/OSB process, that your offer of appointment will state you will be on the pilot pathway, and that once you are down at the air academy you do not have the chance of being streamed off into air traffic control or air combat officer etc? Would I be correct in believing that it is only officer candidates on the mission elementary pathway side of things that have the uncertainty as to which role they will end up in?

As I will be leaving a different high paying job in the aviation industry to pursue this dream to become a pilot (if accepted obviously, never a guarantee), it would be comforting to confirm how I read the website in that I can apply to become a pilot but not accidentally become an air traffic controller without any input of my own.

Kind Regards.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 10:25
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NC92, I believe you have it spot on.

From what I understand in the future we will all be applying as officer aviation candidates and ASP results will determine which pathway you enter as.

At the ASP I assume there will be both a cutoff for Pilot and a cutoff (likely lower) for ACO/JBAC. If you make pilot, great, pilot is what you get but if you go through as mission pathway you have that uncertainty a la GSO as to where you'll end up.

edit: apparently the future of the program is for there to be no streaming until AFTER OTS and the first lot of coursework at the air academy.

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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 11:52
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AVMED and COMSURV

Hi,
I have a little bit of confusion regarding Initial Employment Training. I have read from a few sources that if going through ADFA, both COMSURV and AVMED are completed whilst there. However if going through direct entry AVMED is completed just before BFTS and COMSURV is completed between BFTS and 2FTS. I was just wondering if this is correct.
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Old 9th Feb 2018, 01:21
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Anecdotally I was on a base tour recently and one of the pilots there didn't complete COMSURV till after his opcon so course availability is probably the deciding factor of when you do it.
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Old 10th Feb 2018, 22:57
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ASP

ASP - I recently received an invitation to attend ASP (mid March) assuming I'll be one of the first. I'm seeking any assistance on how to prepare/what to expect as info in the letter was limited. I've applied for JBAC and already been recommended by OSB but still waiting for offer.
I know this is a pilots thread but since the testing is now combined across all OA roles I'm hoping to get some links to practice assessment likely to be included. Can anyone point me in the right direction for Aviation cognitive tests online?
The letter stated that the assessment component is all computer based consisting of aptitude testing using the Military Aviation Cognitive Testing System (MACTS).
It reads as if the test will be exactly the same regardless of the role applied for and I'm wary my flying aptitude is limited.
Thanks in advance for the assistance and I'm happy to contribute a brief if the ASP once completed.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 02:25
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I generally recommend:

https://www.preplounge.com/en/mental-math.php

for general mental maths practice and

Speed Distance Time | OASC: RAF Officer and Aircrew Selection Centre

for speed/distance/time/fuel questions. One caveat about this website is that all of the questions use "nice" numbers which can get you unstuck if you get thrown questions where you are forced to round or estimate answers.

If you are anyway programming inclined it's fairly simple to make your own questions with more variety and difficulty.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 03:13
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Hey NickyG, I'm in the same boat as you. I was offered a position on an ASP in early/mid March as well, and the lack of info in the email was slightly frustrating. However, it did say that once your position and itinerary has been confirmed you'll be emailed an "ASP Package", so fingers crossed there'll be some info in that. I also have some friends at East Sale at the moment and if I find out anything helpful I'll be sure to pass it on.

Tayra - thanks for those links. There's also a pretty good pdf floating around google somewhere (unfortunately I don't have the link anymore) which details all the pilot aptitude testing in use by the different branches of the US armed forces. There's some decent techniques in there about approaching typical battery testing, and it's good to skim through at the very least. I'll chuck the link up if I find it.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 22:53
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They did say starting and March and they seem to be sticking to that. The fact that they are hiring a dedicated liaison between DFR and the ACMC doesn't mean it's all falling apart at the seams. Hopefully it means a greater flow of information through to the enlistment coordinators who have a hard time doing their job when they're in the dark. Also doesn't help with us impatient bastards calling up every other week.

For any ADFA applicants reading. I heard your initial ASPs will be run all through April (due to extra personal requirements for the <18s). DEO will then kick back in for May.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 08:04
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen
Uh oh... I am now officially in the first week's ASP...
Congratulations! Now the waiting is over (for you), and it also seems that ASP is well and truly up and running. Hopefully a lot more of us can get some invites soon to sit it.
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