RAAF Flight Screening Programme

[rowdy trousers]

isdon
I'm also trying to make sense of all this. Would you happen to know if your nephew only had RAAF as a preference, or whether he had also listed Navy, but with a lower preference number eg 5 for RAAF and 1 for Navy, or something like that.

[IsDon]

Originally Posted by rowdy trousers

isdon
I'm also trying to make sense of all this. Would you happen to know if your nephew only had RAAF as a preference, or whether he had also listed Navy, but with a lower preference number eg 5 for RAAF and 1 for Navy, or something like that.

Hi Rowdy.

Yes I know because he asked my advice on this.

While at flight screening he was told to score his preferences 1-5. He was told that putting less than a three on any of the non preferred services could possibly earn you a black mark. I’ve since found out that was incorrect advice.

I suggested he vote with his gut, but I cautioned against putting his non preferred service too high. He preferenced as follows:

RAAF 5
RAN 4
ARMY 3 (could have been 4, he wasn’t sure what to do with this)

What I’ve found out though was that if you ranked a non preferred service low then you wouldn’t be considered for it if you missed out in your first preference.

He voted very well as it turned out.

[rowdy trousers]

Thanks Don
Looks like it may have been very wise to give Navy a 4. Thanks for the info. Would you happen to know whether the successful RAAF applicants have actually been informed, or only that the slots have been allocated, and yet to be advised?

[IsDon]

Originally Posted by rowdy trousers

Thanks Don
Looks like it may have been very wise to give Navy a 4. Thanks for the info. Would you happen to know whether the successful RAAF applicants have actually been informed, or only that the slots have been allocated, and yet to be advised?

Not certain of that mate, sorry.

[FlyingSoon]

Most of Defence is on stand down now. Offers would have already gone out for the various positions given SSTs start in Jan (ADFA). With regards to the Navy offer, if RAAF doesn't want him but he has a 4 down, then next dibs go to Navy. They would have been under the pump to get the spots filed before stand down hence the take it or leave it. For future reference, the only numbers you should use in your preferences is a 5, 4 or a 1.

[5piece]

The road ahead

There has been a recent article by Australian Aviation regarding the Air 5428 Pilot Training System Project. There's no major surprises in the article but it does give a good overview of what the new training system looks like for the future pilot trainee. It's a worthwhile read.

I can't post links yet so google " Australian Aviation The RAAFs quiet revolution in pilot training" and it'll show up.

[Lambo_]

Letter of Offer

Hey,
I received a letter of offer for an Army Pilot through ADFA
When i looked at the actual letter it has

Career Division: General Service Officer

and then further down it has
Function: General Service Officer
Sub Function: (nothing)

Nowhere does it mention being a pilot which i suspect may be because its only for ADFA but im not entirely sure

Is this normal for what a successful flight screening candidate would receive?
Thought i should check before signing away the next 14 years of my life.
Thanks for any and all help.

[FlyingSoon]

What does it say your ROSO is out of curiosity?

Definitely call to get it confirmed/changed. My LOO said General Service Officer (Pilot) from memory. It's recorded against your career profile from the start. I'd wager it's the same for ADFA, I was a DEO to RMC.

Good luck,
fs

[Lambo_]

Update

ROSO is 9 years, Went in to accept it and apparently I was only offered GSO. Its all a bit confusing and im still trying to clear it up but generally the enlistment coordinator was under the impression that i failed flying but my transcript said i was competitive for Pilot position. Im going to go talk to my career counsellor and clear it up tomorrow but if im still only offered GSO i will probably take it. Does anyone have any experience or understanding of moving from GSO to GSO pilot over the course of ADFA or upon graduation? Is it possible? and is it Realistic?
Thanks for any and all help

[josephfeatherweight]

Lambo, very sensible of you to check. Make sure it is very clear as the ADF have made a bit of a habit recently of being particularly "thorough" with regard to contracts - when it suits them, anyway. Make sure it reads as it is supposed to!

[FlyingSoon]

Originally Posted by Lambo_

Is it possible? and is it Realistic?

Possible yes. Realistic? Not so much. Given the new career model for GSO Pilots and the fact they are going to test those at RMC there is a chance. Just keep in mind by the time you get to testing you'll have completed three years of a nine year ROSO; you will be on the hook for the rest regardless. During my time at RMC no one got on a cadetship, some were in the same position as you(albeit DEO).

PM me for more. Best,
fs

[finestkind]

Lambo.

You should know whether you were recommended or not from the FSP. If rec'd you are in a position to be looked at for pilot but you may have not been competitive enough to be offered that spot.

[FlyingSoon]

Have a look at my last few responses in this thread. In summary, testing will only be done at RMC for DEO leaving ADFA cadets as the only ones on cadetships. There will be no SSOs in future. The training shift in schools, among other issues, is having a significant impact on the continuum.

[Very Sneaky]

Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen

There's a lot of hiring going on with seek.com.au, to hire people for different project and management roles. Seems like everything is a bit "last minute".

That doesn't sound like defence at all /s

[tayra]

The defencejobs website has been updated recently with more information regarding the Air Academy and the ASP. Looks like offers to attend the ASP should start flowing in February.

[MLed]

I saw the updated info on the defence jobs and RAAF websites. I called my EC today to get clarification on the process for people who have been to flight screening already and she says she still doesn’t know if I need to go to ASP (even though it states that on the website). Also she couldn’t give me details regarding the May intake size. Does anyone else have additional information on either of these subjects?

[tayra]

Everything so far including that letter from Director General Personal AF would indicate that you have to do the ASP as well.

Last time I was able to get a hold of my EC (assuming we have the same one) they were waiting for more info to filter through from the RAAF in February. In the meantime they were compiling all our files into digital form (apparently files going to the PSF were all in paper form) ready to send down to the ACMC.

[Akahmi]

Hey guys, I'm also a current ADF pilot applicant. I failed my initial aptitude testing however after a year of hard work I breezed through the initial aptitude and additional testing, I didn't have any certified hours however I had been flying recreational at my local flying club and was told by the recruiters that email proof of the pilots I flew with would be enough so I didn't spend any money on flights.

Consequently I had about 7.5 hours of flight time but the problem was that after I passed my assessment day, I didn't submit my form for flying hours until about 3 months later. I submitted it around June 7th last year. My high school grades were alright higher than average and I got an OP 6 in high school and started doing engineering at uni however the results at my uni were quite average as I wasn't really focusing on it as much as I was looking at it as a factor to fill time.

Anyway after my application was submitted they asked me for my uni results and I never heard anything back. My question is what could be some reasons I was not selected for flight screening? A mate of mine got an OP 14 and still got selected for flight screening but not me? I'm just trying to see what my short comings are. So I called up my recruiter and asked them to put me into this years pool of applicants for FSP.

Do you guys have any advice on what I need to do and why I wasn't selected for FSP? Do I need to get official hours through certified instructors in my log book? I'm going to be increasing my uni marks this year without a doubt so that won't be an issue. Also what are my chances of being selected if I'm being put into this years pool of selection early on?

Cheers

[FlyingSoon]

Selection for flight screening isn't(wasn't) based on your hours, it's a holistic assessment of you as a candidate. I did not submit any uni results and got through. Air time only helps demonstrate interest. They don't(didn't) even ask for proof, or at least I've never heard of them asking.

[Akahmi]

Originally Posted by FlyingSoon

Selection for flight screening isn't(wasn't) based on your hours, it's a holistic assessment of you as a candidate. I did not submit any uni results and got through. Air time only helps demonstrate interest. They don't(didn't) even ask for proof, or at least I've never heard of them asking.

Damn for me they asked for log books and all that. But what other reason could it have been, my medicals were fine, maybe its because i'm indian (I'm a citizen though)