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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 24th Nov 2010, 02:03
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Nothing so exciting. Just a monumentally ill-informed decision by the over-paid "experts" down South who haven't flown the aircraft or have any knowledge of FSP ops. I've probably said too much already...........
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Old 24th Nov 2010, 02:48
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Don't think just because the CAP-10 is gone the course is any easier. They have changed the level of difficulity in the last 3 rides to compensate.
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Old 24th Nov 2010, 14:27
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That's unlucky for prospective flight screeners, the CAP-10 was great.

Junior the point of having the CAP-10 in the syllabus wasn't purely to make the course harder, it was to test how well you can take the skills taught and apply them to a different plane. It may be just as "difficult", but without two aircraft obviously there are certain attributes that won't receive the same attention.
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Old 24th Nov 2010, 22:27
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Mudrat, I know exactly what your saying, and I know that was the point of the CAP10, I was just saying that the sequence has been changed because of its removal from the course.

I was looking forward to flying it as well. Oh well, not sure who's decision it was, but it sucks.
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Old 25th Nov 2010, 03:39
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I'm with Capn Sand Dune! Bring back the CAP 10!
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Old 25th Nov 2010, 07:26
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Hey Reece.T I'll see you up there my course starts on the 15th. Good Luck.
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Old 26th Nov 2010, 00:23
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That's a shame about the Cap-10 no longer being used. While I was up there (16-30/Oct) we heard that we would potentially be one of the last few courses to have the opportunity to fly it.

It's definitely one of the nicer planes I've flown in my limited experience, and I don't think I've had more fun and a more rewarding time in the air in anything else!

One of the instructors had mentioned that there had been a few incidents with the Cap-10, all related to ground handling I believe, but I'm not about to state that's the reason, or the only reason that its being retired.

I'm curious if they will be sold off.

Nick
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Old 26th Nov 2010, 06:47
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I was told it was because of the engine cutting out after certain manouvres which involved a high rate of turning and descent which scared some students and the higher-up folk. Handling it on the ground became quite fun once one got the hang of it.

Was a fantastic aircraft to fly though.
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 09:48
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While I was on FSP this year, the CAP 10 was grounded for the last 2 days of course due to fuel problems. Our last sorties were cancelled as a result.

It is a shame really, it was such a nice plane to fly!!
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Old 1st Dec 2010, 07:54
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You'll have a friend standing on your feet

15 push-ups, 45 sit-ups and 7.5 on the beep test
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Old 1st Dec 2010, 10:41
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any tips or iq books you guys recommend for the flight testing passed the intitial iq tests today so going back in a another month for next round of testing. The lady there told me it was amths and on some instruments etc didnt really go that much into it :/
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Old 1st Dec 2010, 23:29
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Yeah I had an engine cut out on the CAP-10 during a certain manoeuvre - I'm sure those that have been there can guess which one it was. Only happened to me on the one aircraft though. Apart from that, damaged the tailwheel on my final flight because I flared too soon and dropped her onto the runway pretty hard. A guy on another course at the time also had a problem where he accidentally knocked the fuel valve closed which shut the engine down.

I doubt those were the pressing issue though (surely this is tame in comparison to an operational type or the PC9?), plus it was a very enjoyable aircraft to fly!
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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 02:03
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Yes Mudrat, I also had the engine cut out during that same manoeuvre, although it just added to the fun of flying it :P Also had some close calls then the park brake had decided to undo itself. Although I don't think this should be any reason to stop using it, the cap-10 was easily the best bit of FSP. No better feeling than pulling 5.5g's through a loop in such a light aircraft, looking up at the paddocks above u, or knowing that the person in the ct-4 waiting for you to taxi past cant stop laughing at you while your zig-zagging along :P
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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 03:11
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Post ADF Aircrew Aptitude Testing

@Green_pilot_79
First piece of advice: Improve your written communication skills ! Spelling, Grammar and Punctuation would be a tremendous starting point. (What is it with young people and their distinct lack of English skills these days !?). No one is perfect, but at least make an effort !

Secondly: Enrol in PATS (Melbourne) and/or purchase the 'ARCO' publication: "Military Flight Aptitude Tests" (Highly recommended !).

You will sit a series of aircrew psychometric exam's - all varying in degrees of complexity & expected outcomes. Most candidates' fail at either the 'Instrument Appreciation', or Mental Deduced Reckoning (Mental Mathematics) examinations.

HINT: Learn how to work out 'rates of change' (Speed/Distance/Time etc) problems very quickly - in your head ! Forget the complex stuff you were taught in the Yr 11/12 Mathematics syllabus (unless you're applying for ADFA of course).
You will need to go back to basics and be able to work out how to multiply & divide large numbers in a short period of time. Orders of Operations and decimal place movement after an operation would be well worth understanding !

Basically: know your stuff and don't leave any element of your brain back at the 'ranch' ! It is a very challenging day for most Candidates'. Don't rest on your laurels.
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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 06:33
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pulling 5.5g's through a loop
Ooops
Shall I tell him, or shall someone else?
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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 09:10
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I think on the Cap10 after 5g's, you're starting to overstress the airframe, but not certain on that one.

4g's is what you're required to do on FSP.
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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 09:18
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From memory, 6g was the limit... or was it 7?

Instructors also need to be wary of students attempting to throttle back and closing the mixture instead
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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 09:50
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Jim broke the CAP10
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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 09:59
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I just got the call up for Flight Screening on the 22nd of January!!

Any other DEO candidates coming up then?

Good luck to everyone going through all of this process - it can be long and enduring but well worth it!!

cheers
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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 10:24
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revised_estimate clearly works for/owns PATS

1000 bucks to "learn" how to do an IQ test and mental D.R. is the biggest waste of money I've ever heard of. And mentioning grammar and punctuation when clearly you aren't too good at either was lol-worthy. But good luck to you! Obviously many suckers out there and you must be doing well.

Here's a tip: If you think your mental D.R. needs some improvement, then practise! When driving long-ish distances, calculate in your head speed/distance/time calculations; Practise some quick mental calculations e.g counting back from 200 in 7's; On Saturday night when withdrawing from the ATM, see how many $4.60 schooners you could buy for your $70.

There's probably 500 different I.Q. tests available online. Do a few and see how and why each correct answer is so. Learn to figure out the patterns.

YOU day testing is FREE and can be done again and again. Pilot Spec. testing is FREE and can be done again. Clearly some people have too much money for this PATS thing.

Once you've been recommended to FSP, spend your $1000 on some actual flying. This is the best way to get extra experience which will be more fun and invaluable come the OSB. They'll probably be more impressed by this than the attendance at a weekend pilot testing program for suckers.

edit: Just saw it was approx. $3000 for the weekend course
Any Venture Capitalists present wanting to help me set up a similar "school?"
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