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Hey,
I'm also hoping to get the call to go up to tamworth sometime soon, having passed the testing stages and the initial interview, i have recently been advised that my file will soon be/is on its way/ is already at Tamworth.
A bit about myself, I'm 17, in year 12 at school in Sydney. I currently am flying GA at bankstown, and recently passed my GFPT, I am now in the process of being endorsed on a warrior and then i'm wanting to begin some aeros and tailwheel training.
My main area of concern is public speaking for the OSB, and also I know that I'll be required to perform an oral presentation without notes. Being 17 and still in school, apart from the odd assessment speech, I have little experience in speaking to an audience, especially under the pressure i'll face at OSB. I get the usual nerves prior to and during speaking but to the point where sometimes it inhibits my ability to effectively deliver the speech. I'm working with my dad (he works in advertising and marketing) and he is helping me to feel confident when talking infront of others and giving me tips and techniques to make it a bit easier for me. Do any of you have any other tips or methods which helped you, and hopefully will help me to build up my confidence, as, being an officer role, speaking effectively to others is one thing I will need to be competent in.
I'm also applying for ACO (3rd preference) and I have the OSB for it in mid to late may (date still to be confirmed). Were i to perform poorly in this OSB, how would it reflect on my chances for the pilot OSB at Tamworth? Of course my aim is to go well at the OSB for ACO, however i'm sure there'll be some areas i need to improve on, and this will help me to prepare for the pilot OSB.
Thanks
Nick
I'm also hoping to get the call to go up to tamworth sometime soon, having passed the testing stages and the initial interview, i have recently been advised that my file will soon be/is on its way/ is already at Tamworth.
A bit about myself, I'm 17, in year 12 at school in Sydney. I currently am flying GA at bankstown, and recently passed my GFPT, I am now in the process of being endorsed on a warrior and then i'm wanting to begin some aeros and tailwheel training.
My main area of concern is public speaking for the OSB, and also I know that I'll be required to perform an oral presentation without notes. Being 17 and still in school, apart from the odd assessment speech, I have little experience in speaking to an audience, especially under the pressure i'll face at OSB. I get the usual nerves prior to and during speaking but to the point where sometimes it inhibits my ability to effectively deliver the speech. I'm working with my dad (he works in advertising and marketing) and he is helping me to feel confident when talking infront of others and giving me tips and techniques to make it a bit easier for me. Do any of you have any other tips or methods which helped you, and hopefully will help me to build up my confidence, as, being an officer role, speaking effectively to others is one thing I will need to be competent in.
I'm also applying for ACO (3rd preference) and I have the OSB for it in mid to late may (date still to be confirmed). Were i to perform poorly in this OSB, how would it reflect on my chances for the pilot OSB at Tamworth? Of course my aim is to go well at the OSB for ACO, however i'm sure there'll be some areas i need to improve on, and this will help me to prepare for the pilot OSB.
Thanks
Nick
Nick, any experience is a learning experience, good or bad. Use your ACO OSB as such and if you make it to flight screening it can only help. I don’t think a poor OSB would derail your chances unless the OSB thought you were not suited for the military and that would be unlikely given you made it through the recruiting process.
OP, yeah you’ve got me,
twittered and bistered. Then again you may look at it from a different angle. Here we have a chappie professing a desire to join the winged ranks. If one is truly desirous, read motivated, one would think said individual would find any information, obtain any knowledge available, i.e. stumble across a sight with lotsa info on it would be like giving a blind man sight, and devour it. Not ask for a repeat because ,…. Why it’s easy to get someone else to do the work.
So far nothing personal has been said apart from me being B and T and a model student. Let’s not delve to the lower levels of personal insults.
MB, take this from a non model student who, after exhausting all individual avenues to obtain knowledge, skills etc needed the guidance of a guide dog, you need to apply yourself. Apologise if I ruffled your feathers however this sight has been going for some time, which the number of pages attest to, and I just find it difficult to see how a person off to flight screening has not perused through them all.
OP if one thing is a given then its motivation to get those wings. That is the one thing that will stop you from giving up when it all looks too hard. Yeah maybe I should have said, with a smiley face
, that MB you need to read this post cause there is a lotta of useful info here. However if that type of guidance is needed, than I would suggest motivation, drive and application is questionable, but I have been wrong on more than one occasion
OP, yeah you’ve got me,
twittered and bistered. Then again you may look at it from a different angle. Here we have a chappie professing a desire to join the winged ranks. If one is truly desirous, read motivated, one would think said individual would find any information, obtain any knowledge available, i.e. stumble across a sight with lotsa info on it would be like giving a blind man sight, and devour it. Not ask for a repeat because ,…. Why it’s easy to get someone else to do the work.So far nothing personal has been said apart from me being B and T and a model student. Let’s not delve to the lower levels of personal insults.
MB, take this from a non model student who, after exhausting all individual avenues to obtain knowledge, skills etc needed the guidance of a guide dog, you need to apply yourself. Apologise if I ruffled your feathers however this sight has been going for some time, which the number of pages attest to, and I just find it difficult to see how a person off to flight screening has not perused through them all.
OP if one thing is a given then its motivation to get those wings. That is the one thing that will stop you from giving up when it all looks too hard. Yeah maybe I should have said, with a smiley face
, that MB you need to read this post cause there is a lotta of useful info here. However if that type of guidance is needed, than I would suggest motivation, drive and application is questionable, but I have been wrong on more than one occasion
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FK,
Without drifting too far off thread (me that is) I agree with your second para, I get the feeling from some people I see round the bazaars, that if it's not easily accessible on the net, they don't bother following it up.
So a good point for all those aspiring aviators- GET PASSIONATE!!! get reading and learn all about your 'dream' career. It's not something to try if you're only vaguely interested in it.
The bit about 'Guide dogs' I think I nearly wore mine out in training
Without drifting too far off thread (me that is) I agree with your second para, I get the feeling from some people I see round the bazaars, that if it's not easily accessible on the net, they don't bother following it up.
So a good point for all those aspiring aviators- GET PASSIONATE!!! get reading and learn all about your 'dream' career. It's not something to try if you're only vaguely interested in it.
The bit about 'Guide dogs' I think I nearly wore mine out in training
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Nick; the only way you'll improve your public speaking is by experience. Just practice practice practice. If it means writing up a speech to deliver to your oldies before dinner, do it. And learn how to memorise a speech/use palm cards properly. Reading it straight from palm cards or from a sheet of paper doesn't look the best. But don't stress too much about the public speaking, it's there but it's not the be all and end all of the selection process.
Also as a tip future applicants, be wary what you say on these boards.
Also as a tip future applicants, be wary what you say on these boards.
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Hey Guys.
I did FSP last yr.
The advice I had been given going into the 2 weeks was something I read on this forum:
"if you can fly the plane/ you're an ace, you'd have to be bloody brainless not to get recommended"
Whilst FSP is about 'flying the plane' I believe it is very much more focused on your leadership and team abilities. You only have to show potential on the plane - ie you can get airsick, you can really struggle at it in the beginning, but show improvement.
So go into tamworth with TEAMWORK, FRIENDSHIP and LEADERSHIP in your mind. Not, how can I fly this plane the best. Work on forming good relationships with your fsp colleagues and work on the board day. Really prepare for it. Have topics to talk about that show insight and that are well thought out.
Don't worry about the flying - worry about your leadership, teamwork and OSB. It's something you can really only do when you're there, but form friendships, work hard on group assignments, put in extra effort where you can, be someone your group relies on and thinks highly of.
I'm saying this because while I flew well, around the top of my group of 8 (7.something out of 9), my leadership and team skills score were low. High enough to get recommended, but not high enough to be competitive when in the 'recommended pool'.
If you're not selected in the yr you are in the pool, you can re apply, your flying scores remain, and if you get through all the initial testing again, you can re do the OSB board day, that is if you havnt accepted an offer of Air Combat Officer which they will may give you at the end of your yr.
Enjoy FSP if you can. Flying the CT4B and the CAP10 and having military training from military flying instructors, and then flying with serving air force pilots who assess you is an AWESOME experience ! I will never forget it.
Memorable moments; performing a loop and looking 'up' toward the ground and watching another ct4b fly under us. Wing overs into stalls into more wingovers into spins and getting it all right. Flying the cap 10 out to the training area trimmed up and right on the base of some rain clouds and watching the droplets peal over the canopy. Flying straight up till 0 Knots, then falling backwards toward the earth and recovery.
I did FSP last yr.
The advice I had been given going into the 2 weeks was something I read on this forum:
"if you can fly the plane/ you're an ace, you'd have to be bloody brainless not to get recommended"
Whilst FSP is about 'flying the plane' I believe it is very much more focused on your leadership and team abilities. You only have to show potential on the plane - ie you can get airsick, you can really struggle at it in the beginning, but show improvement.
So go into tamworth with TEAMWORK, FRIENDSHIP and LEADERSHIP in your mind. Not, how can I fly this plane the best. Work on forming good relationships with your fsp colleagues and work on the board day. Really prepare for it. Have topics to talk about that show insight and that are well thought out.
Don't worry about the flying - worry about your leadership, teamwork and OSB. It's something you can really only do when you're there, but form friendships, work hard on group assignments, put in extra effort where you can, be someone your group relies on and thinks highly of.
I'm saying this because while I flew well, around the top of my group of 8 (7.something out of 9), my leadership and team skills score were low. High enough to get recommended, but not high enough to be competitive when in the 'recommended pool'.
If you're not selected in the yr you are in the pool, you can re apply, your flying scores remain, and if you get through all the initial testing again, you can re do the OSB board day, that is if you havnt accepted an offer of Air Combat Officer which they will may give you at the end of your yr.
Enjoy FSP if you can. Flying the CT4B and the CAP10 and having military training from military flying instructors, and then flying with serving air force pilots who assess you is an AWESOME experience ! I will never forget it.
Memorable moments; performing a loop and looking 'up' toward the ground and watching another ct4b fly under us. Wing overs into stalls into more wingovers into spins and getting it all right. Flying the cap 10 out to the training area trimmed up and right on the base of some rain clouds and watching the droplets peal over the canopy. Flying straight up till 0 Knots, then falling backwards toward the earth and recovery.
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Beware of Aircraft Rudders
For those about to experience aircraft flight controls be prepared for the fact that all aircraft rudders work backwards to your instinctive inclinations already learned by your tricycle, billy cart, bicycle, steering wheel and most other controls of direction.
Most pilots have forgotten their early astonishment for a few hours when they had to adapt. I believe that the Wright Brothers are to blame as they simplified their rudder control wires with straight runs instead of crossing the wires.
Most pilots have forgotten their early astonishment for a few hours when they had to adapt. I believe that the Wright Brothers are to blame as they simplified their rudder control wires with straight runs instead of crossing the wires.
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Joel, the stuff about how to prepare for the OSB and the teamwork/leadership/friendship side of things is spot on I reckon. They are all bloody important things to demonstrate to the OSB (and on a personal level).
"Really prepare for it. Have topics to talk about that show insight and that are well thought out." Anything that demonstrates motivation and preparation will impress the OSB no end.
I would however warn those who are yet to do FSP to be wary of the comment "Don't worry about the flying - worry about your leadership, teamwork and OSB." In my experience, the board is interested in all aspects of your performance, the overall picture. However the flying in my opinion is the clincher...the go/no go. When I did flight screening I was way more worried about the flying side of things and whilst I did a fair bit of preparation (reading books, internet searches, visiting RAAF bases etc) for the OSB before I arrived at Tamworth, when I was there I was 100% focused on the the first hurdle...the flying side of things. When board day came around, then that became the priority. You cannot hide in the OSB, if you are pretending to be someone you're not then you will most likely be found out. Be yourself, tell it like it is, impress them with your knowledge and preparation and it will go well. You may be the world's best presented, confident, well spoken, intelligent, friendly person but if you score poorly in the flying then you won't get a look in. They will be more likely to recommend someone that scored well in the flying and not so well in the other activities than the other way around.
Showing motivation is very important throughout the FSP process. Pilot's course is a tough road and you need to demonstrate that you are 100%, dead set, fair dinkum, hold my breath until you let me in committed to getting your wings and convince the OSB of that fact. Not knowing what aircraft type you want to eventually fly, lack of basic service specific knowledge or simply not having a beleivable and honest answer to the big (and inevitable) question "Why do you want to be a RAAF/NAVY/ARMY pilot" will put significant doubt into the OSB's collective minds. If you are borderline on flying scores, your demonstrated motivation throughout the 2 weeks may well be the deciding factor in whether you get recommended or not.
In summary, preparation for the board is important. Flying performance is also important (in my opinion more so). True motivation is the key. The OSB will normally see through thinly veiled attempts to convinve them that you want to be there, when in fact you are putting on an act. If you genuinely want it that badly, then it will be obvious to everyone, including the OSB.
My 2c.
LG...RO
. They are all bloody important things to demonstrate to the OSB (and on a personal level). "Really prepare for it. Have topics to talk about that show insight and that are well thought out." Anything that demonstrates motivation and preparation will impress the OSB no end.
I would however warn those who are yet to do FSP to be wary of the comment "Don't worry about the flying - worry about your leadership, teamwork and OSB." In my experience, the board is interested in all aspects of your performance, the overall picture. However the flying in my opinion is the clincher...the go/no go. When I did flight screening I was way more worried about the flying side of things and whilst I did a fair bit of preparation (reading books, internet searches, visiting RAAF bases etc) for the OSB before I arrived at Tamworth, when I was there I was 100% focused on the the first hurdle...the flying side of things. When board day came around, then that became the priority. You cannot hide in the OSB, if you are pretending to be someone you're not then you will most likely be found out. Be yourself, tell it like it is, impress them with your knowledge and preparation and it will go well. You may be the world's best presented, confident, well spoken, intelligent, friendly person but if you score poorly in the flying then you won't get a look in. They will be more likely to recommend someone that scored well in the flying and not so well in the other activities than the other way around.
Showing motivation is very important throughout the FSP process. Pilot's course is a tough road and you need to demonstrate that you are 100%, dead set, fair dinkum, hold my breath until you let me in committed to getting your wings and convince the OSB of that fact. Not knowing what aircraft type you want to eventually fly, lack of basic service specific knowledge or simply not having a beleivable and honest answer to the big (and inevitable) question "Why do you want to be a RAAF/NAVY/ARMY pilot" will put significant doubt into the OSB's collective minds. If you are borderline on flying scores, your demonstrated motivation throughout the 2 weeks may well be the deciding factor in whether you get recommended or not.
In summary, preparation for the board is important. Flying performance is also important (in my opinion more so). True motivation is the key. The OSB will normally see through thinly veiled attempts to convinve them that you want to be there, when in fact you are putting on an act. If you genuinely want it that badly, then it will be obvious to everyone, including the OSB.
My 2c.
LG...RO
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LtDan - Could you please explain what you meant by 'be wary of what you say on these boards'.
If you don't believe me, I'm speaking from experience. Nothing I've said on this thread though.
Don't let that stop you asking questions however. What I've seen on this thread so far is little cause for concern.
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Measurement Query?
Hi Guys,
First and foremost; I'd like to thank everyone who has posted on this particular thread. The information listed is an invaluable resource, and I intend on utilising all of it in my quest to becoming a RAAF pilot. I am currently studying for my pilot specific testing (on the 2nd of June), as I have passed the initial YOU session general aptitude test. Nonetheless, my question is not regarding the testing, but rather the height requirements for all aircrew. These are the height requirements listed on www.defencejobs.gov.au;
Height Aviation Class 1:Height - minimum 163 and maximum 193cm.
Sitting Height - maximum 100cm.
Buttock to knee length - maximum 67cm.
Buttock to heel length - maximum 122cm.
I have a height of 190cm (just shy of the maximum...), and was wondering what the measuring points are for both the buttock to knee and buttock to heel lengths? What part of the buttock is the starting point for measurement? I would just like to put my mind at ease in regard to my physical suitability. I hope to god that I am within the height requirements...
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Many Thanks,
Blackbird14
First and foremost; I'd like to thank everyone who has posted on this particular thread. The information listed is an invaluable resource, and I intend on utilising all of it in my quest to becoming a RAAF pilot. I am currently studying for my pilot specific testing (on the 2nd of June), as I have passed the initial YOU session general aptitude test. Nonetheless, my question is not regarding the testing, but rather the height requirements for all aircrew. These are the height requirements listed on www.defencejobs.gov.au;
Height Aviation Class 1:Height - minimum 163 and maximum 193cm.
Sitting Height - maximum 100cm.
Buttock to knee length - maximum 67cm.
Buttock to heel length - maximum 122cm.
I have a height of 190cm (just shy of the maximum...), and was wondering what the measuring points are for both the buttock to knee and buttock to heel lengths? What part of the buttock is the starting point for measurement? I would just like to put my mind at ease in regard to my physical suitability. I hope to god that I am within the height requirements...
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Many Thanks,
Blackbird14
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RAAF Mathematical Ability Test
Goodevening,
I am undergoing my apptitude testing this wednesday 20/5/09. I am slightly confused about the level of maths that is in the test. Should I be studying things like trigonometric identities and logs or is it just your simple s = d/t sort of stuff?
Thanks
I am undergoing my apptitude testing this wednesday 20/5/09. I am slightly confused about the level of maths that is in the test. Should I be studying things like trigonometric identities and logs or is it just your simple s = d/t sort of stuff?
Thanks
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I can't answer for the RAAF but I would be very surprised if it was very different from the RAF.
We dropped Logs from the basic navigation training 20 years ago and even then trigonometry was a closed book to many of the students to the extent that I had to write a simple example of trig so that they could understand it and use a calculator.
On the initial selection it is very much as you suggest, speed, times, and distance. Mental artithmetic and mental agility. Playing darts was often suggested as a means of sharpening up addition, subtraction and simple multiplication. Know you times tables and key square roots like 169, 256 and so on.
In other words, all pretty basic stuff but expected to be accurate and quick.
We dropped Logs from the basic navigation training 20 years ago and even then trigonometry was a closed book to many of the students to the extent that I had to write a simple example of trig so that they could understand it and use a calculator.
On the initial selection it is very much as you suggest, speed, times, and distance. Mental artithmetic and mental agility. Playing darts was often suggested as a means of sharpening up addition, subtraction and simple multiplication. Know you times tables and key square roots like 169, 256 and so on.
In other words, all pretty basic stuff but expected to be accurate and quick.
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Jurditch, to me you would have failed already, today Monday is the 18.5.09, Wednesday is the 20th, lets hope that was just a typing error on your part, Best of Luck.
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You should check out this thread:
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...am-merged.html
It has lots of handy information regarding the journey from your first aptitude test until you complete FSP (even if you're not going for Pilot, it still has plenty of information on the specialist testing).
Good luck
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...am-merged.html
It has lots of handy information regarding the journey from your first aptitude test until you complete FSP (even if you're not going for Pilot, it still has plenty of information on the specialist testing).
Good luck
You need exceptional maths ability to make it. When I did mine, out of the 10 of us, 3 passed with credit, 4 just scraped through and the other 5 failed dismally.
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Aptitude testing programs
Hi to all here,
I am a 25 year old getting ready for third attempt at aircrew specialized test battery in perth Australia. (I am applying to the Australian defense force as a pilot).
I would like to improve on the specialized test battery. The battery includes spatial awareness ( you have to pick the orientation of an aircraft), instrument reading, mental arithmetic and mathematic problems associated with speed, time and distance.
Would anyone have any recommendations for software that I could purchase that contains the kinds of tests that the aircrew test battery contains, so that I can practise them?
Thankyou
I am a 25 year old getting ready for third attempt at aircrew specialized test battery in perth Australia. (I am applying to the Australian defense force as a pilot).
I would like to improve on the specialized test battery. The battery includes spatial awareness ( you have to pick the orientation of an aircraft), instrument reading, mental arithmetic and mathematic problems associated with speed, time and distance.
Would anyone have any recommendations for software that I could purchase that contains the kinds of tests that the aircrew test battery contains, so that I can practise them?
Thankyou
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Well I did the test today and it went ok (so I thought) but it turned out that I didn't go so well. I didnt score high enough marks for officer but to whom it concerns the tests where.
One general ability test:
lots of patterns moving around circles and stuff and some tricky word puzzles. Also a large number of mathematical series'. As you get 75 questions to do in 30 minutes I think it is important you work quickly on this test, although it is pretty much impossible to finish.
The second was a mathematics test:
This is not complicated maths, just alot of decimals, percentages, very very easy geometry and trig. It is not hard but just make sure its accurate and you get it all done.
I'll try again in six months.
One general ability test:
lots of patterns moving around circles and stuff and some tricky word puzzles. Also a large number of mathematical series'. As you get 75 questions to do in 30 minutes I think it is important you work quickly on this test, although it is pretty much impossible to finish.
The second was a mathematics test:
This is not complicated maths, just alot of decimals, percentages, very very easy geometry and trig. It is not hard but just make sure its accurate and you get it all done.
I'll try again in six months.