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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 25th Jun 2019, 12:34
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I'm gonna make a proposal to Leo to have the RAAF's motto changed to:

"...serve your country by day, complain on anonymous internet forums by night."

Reckon it suits?
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 04:21
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hey guys,
my name is Fred and i attended the asp on October 4 of 2018. i applied for direct entry raaf pilot at age 18 and unfortunately did not get offered anything. i was not at uni and was having a gap year at the time. which im sure you can all guess, failiure was going to happen as an 18yo with barely any life experience and not studying anything. i realized my mistake and since the asp i have been at uni studying aero engineering at RMIT and have reapplied for ADFA. So my question is to anyone on this forum who has reattempted the asp: was it any easier having done it before? how did you go results wise? anything i should do between now and october? ie preparation methods? and any general advice and results for second time round guys.
cheers! Fred
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 10:34
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Anecdotally a few people off my ASP had another crack and the majority improved their scores.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 12:04
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Hey guys,
long time lurker, first time poster.

I have been applying for RAAF pilot ADFA since last year and recently attended my ASP. I unfortunately did not recieve an offer as a RAAF Pilot, however I was offered to attend the OSB for Army, Navy Pilot and RAAF Mission.
I am pleased with my results and am planning to attend the OSBs however I have a few queries. While I would happily accept a career in these jobs, I have always been strongly motivated to become a RAAF pilot. If I was to accept an offer from another branch/career will I be able to transfer to RAAF Pilot and when (1-4 years?)?. Would it be more ideal to wait an entire year and reattend another ASP.

To answer the previous question from Fred, there was two people on my ASP who had already previously attended the course and both received a RAAF Pilot offer. They both had similar results to my ASP results.

Sorry for the horrible read, I typed this up quickly on a shitty phone.

Thanks!
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 07:45
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If you really want to be a RAAF pilot then by all means wait a year and come back.

If you want to do some awesome flying in some awesome aircraft regardless of service, then Iíd recommend considering both army and navy. Youíll have just as much (maybe more?) fun flying helos as you would flying RAAF.

As for service transfers, it happens, but if you join army or navy just to join the raaf you likely wonít last.

And as for mission, itís not my cup of tea. If you want to be a co pilot apply for AvWO, cause romeos are awesome and hunting subs would be a hoot.

Good luck!
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 12:02
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RAAF Pilot

Hey all,

I'm 16 years old and currently in year 10 with a very strong desire to one day join the RAAF as a pilot, I've done a lot of research and can only think of this career going ahead, and have been doing so for quite some time now. I only have a few questions.

Next year, i'm studying general math and english with average scores (60 - 70%) with physics, psychology and legal studies and thinking about getting a cert 2 in a trade of some sort (mechanical engineering, automotive etc) the certificate is connected with school and basically counts as a subject, meaning I graduate with an ATAR and a certificate in a trade. I'm only thinking of doing a trade with school as it's just an added bonus with an ATAR, and all my brothers wish they had of done it.

I'm thinking of applying as soon as I finish school as a direct entry to a pilot although I can do it as early as 16 years and 6 months, being a pilot is my main focus, nothing else. I've done work experience up at RAAF Base Sale, volunteer as a lifesaver every summer, participate in multiple team sports and work as a basketball referee and part time at a chemist delivering medicine. I have no experience flying although I'm thinking of taking 1 normal flight lesson and then a few aerobatic flights, as a RPL is too expensive for me.

Is there anything I should consider changing?

I'm completely open to answering any questions and suggestions, such as getting experience in a specific workplace etc, just trying to get as much help as possible.

Thanks for your time and again i'm open to all responses
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Old 1st Aug 2019, 21:33
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Originally Posted by fluroredbubbles View Post
Hey all,

I'm 16 years old and currently in year 10 with a very strong desire to one day join the RAAF as a pilot, I've done a lot of research and can only think of this career going ahead, and have been doing so for quite some time now. I only have a few questions.

Next year, i'm studying general math and english with average scores (60 - 70%) with physics, psychology and legal studies and thinking about getting a cert 2 in a trade of some sort (mechanical engineering, automotive etc) the certificate is connected with school and basically counts as a subject, meaning I graduate with an ATAR and a certificate in a trade. I'm only thinking of doing a trade with school as it's just an added bonus with an ATAR, and all my brothers wish they had of done it.

I'm thinking of applying as soon as I finish school as a direct entry to a pilot although I can do it as early as 16 years and 6 months, being a pilot is my main focus, nothing else. I've done work experience up at RAAF Base Sale, volunteer as a lifesaver every summer, participate in multiple team sports and work as a basketball referee and part time at a chemist delivering medicine. I have no experience flying although I'm thinking of taking 1 normal flight lesson and then a few aerobatic flights, as a RPL is too expensive for me.

Is there anything I should consider changing?

I'm completely open to answering any questions and suggestions, such as getting experience in a specific workplace etc, just trying to get as much help as possible.

Thanks for your time and again i'm open to all responses
Mate your CV is 10x better than mine was, youíve put some good thought into and started planning early which is great.

Donít be too closed off to the idea of taking the ADFA route rather than DEO. You sound like a smart cookie that enjoys a full extra curricula calendar, exactly what the Academy offers. You get a free degree and get paid to learn, and that extra experience at studying whilst juggling real issues like pay, loans, leave etc will really help when you hit BFTS (or whatever weíre calling it these days!).
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 23:55
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Any news on the Army and Navy opening the pilot pipeline for DEO or RMC again?
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 02:34
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Update

Hey all. Long time reader, only posted a couple times. Just wanted to say thanks for all the discussion and good info over the years. My application started in 2012 and I was lucky enough to get a RAN pilot offer yesterday. For all those that may have struggles with your application or if itís taking a while, if itís what you really want BE PERSISTENT. There were occasions where it was 1 step forward and 2 steps back. I had long long hold ups from dfr and particularly medical section but if you hang in there and donít take no for an answer, you can do it, even if it takes 7 years haha. I always wanted to see other people during my application give some hope to me, so donít give up.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 12:18
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Originally Posted by MLed View Post
Hey all. Long time reader, only posted a couple times. Just wanted to say thanks for all the discussion and good info over the years. My application started in 2012 and I was lucky enough to get a RAN pilot offer yesterday. For all those that may have struggles with your application or if itís taking a while, if itís what you really want BE PERSISTENT. There were occasions where it was 1 step forward and 2 steps back. I had long long hold ups from dfr and particularly medical section but if you hang in there and donít take no for an answer, you can do it, even if it takes 7 years haha. I always wanted to see other people during my application give some hope to me, so donít give up.
Hey mate congratulations on the offer, during the 7 years of waiting did you take up any other jobs?
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 15:00
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Yeah for sure. I started uni and did things to improve my application like volunteer work and furthering education. Donít put off any opportunities while youíre waiting because you never know how long it may take, and it looks a whole lot better to say ďlook at all Iíve done whilst applyingĒ instead of ďIíve just been waiting around for thisĒ
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 12:12
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Hey everyone, been trawling here for a long time and this thread has been keeping me going during the long waits. Finally have my RAAF OSB for pilot booked in Melbourne this coming Friday, I'm feeling pretty prepared and I'm super pumped. Anyone else here attending this OSB? Also it's probably been asked a million times but here I go, is the score from ASP the main ranking criteria for selection or is it just an indicator with the OSB being the main selector? I got a strong recommendation from ASP, so hopefully that makes me more competitive.

Any last minute advice for the little things that you wish someone had told you?
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 06:57
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Originally Posted by GiBrMn View Post
Hey everyone, been trawling here for a long time and this thread has been keeping me going during the long waits. Finally have my RAAF OSB for pilot booked in Melbourne this coming Friday, I'm feeling pretty prepared and I'm super pumped. Anyone else here attending this OSB? Also it's probably been asked a million times but here I go, is the score from ASP the main ranking criteria for selection or is it just an indicator with the OSB being the main selector? I got a strong recommendation from ASP, so hopefully that makes me more competitive.

Any last minute advice for the little things that you wish someone had told you?
For distribution they take into account ASP scores and OSB comments/recommendations, although my ASP wasnít even mentioned at my OSB.
As for advice, try to know as much as possible (aircraft, equipment, squadrons, operations, current affairs, etc) and have a think about your strengths/weaknesses, and what attributes make a good leader. If youíre prepared, nothing should really catch you off guard too much. Be enthusiastic, be honest, and best of luck.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 09:51
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//Pilot ADFA Entry//

Hey everyone,

Im currently in Yr12 and had a LATE change of heart in terms of career progression to ADF pilot. Just completed my YOU session on the 12 Aug and have Additional Testing booked for 29th Aug. My case manager also booked the assessment session for the 5th Sept (cutoff for ADFA 2020 entry), which if I fail additional testing I would have to apply for another ADFA role.

Assuming I somehow get past Additional Testing and Assessment Day, will the ADF leave me out to dry to wait up to 6 months for ASP? Or will they somehow fast track me for ASP and OSB given Iím aiming for ADFA entry in Jan. I heard some pretty long wait times for ASP in this thread so I know my chances arenít looking good lmao.




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Old 26th Aug 2019, 13:18
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Originally Posted by Theangelplan View Post
//Pilot ADFA Entry//

Hey everyone,

Im currently in Yr12 and had a LATE change of heart in terms of career progression to ADF pilot, having been forced to apply for medicine by parents. Just completed my YOU session on the 12 Aug and have Additional Testing booked for 29th Aug. My case manager also booked the assessment session for the 5th Sept (literally the last assessment day for ADFA 2020 entry), which if I fail additional testing I would have to apply for another ADFA role.

Assuming I somehow get past Additional Testing and Assessment Day, will the ADF leave me out to dry to wait up to 6 months for ASP? Or will they somehow fast track me for ASP and OSB given Iím aiming for ADFA entry in Jan. I heard some pretty long wait times for ASP in this thread so I know my chances arenít looking good lmao.



There's heaps of ASP courses remaining this year. Last OSB is Nov though I think. Not sure if DEO or ADFA entry methods are different though.
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 21:56
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Theangelplan I'm in a similar situation. I'm in New Zealand and I sat my YOU session last earlier this week. I unlocked the pilot role no problem but I was told I can't progress until my New Zealand school results have been converted to the Australian System. I submitted those to NESA on Monday but they won't be returned for 10 working days. DFR said they will try and arrange an additional pilot testing session and an assessment day as soon as my results have come back, possibly even on the same day.

If I manage to finish assessment day by say, the 11th of September, will it be possible to attend ASP and OSB in time for 2020 ADFA or have I missed the cutoff? DFR said they don't actually have access to the exact cutoff date so I'm not really sure if it's possible or not. I've heard ASP and OSB can take a while to get into so I'm cutting it pretty fine. I'm really trying to aim for 2020 as I'm in my last year of school so I'd rather not have to wait around a whole year for 2021.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 09:10
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Exclamation Medical problems have annulled my pilot offer

Hi there,
I wrote a few times in this forum as I have been in the process to be accepted in the ADF as a pilot for over 3 years now. I'm 20, and I received an offer for RAAF Pilot ADFA on the 19th of August 2019 after attending the OSB in march.

Unfortunately, on Monday I received a letter from DFR Medical saying that my opthomologist results came in and I have an accomodation which doesn't meet the requirements of AVR1, and have been classified as AVR3. I find the entire ordeal a bit odd, since they took 3 months since I sat the tests to give me the news, during which time they called me twice to ask me if I'd come in to do my test. I've never had any problems with my eyesight. My personal opinion is that the original results of the tests were lost or misplaced. But that is irrelevant now, as my offer has been revoked, and my application is on hold until further developments.

Today I went to do another optomolagist exam, at Personal Eyes as was suggested by my coordinator, and managed to get the results the same day, which, according to my doctor, were "well within AVR1 range" and he even went as far as saying "I have no idea how the other doctor deduced you have a bad eye-accomodation".

So, now I have the option to ask for a review, which I assume is the same as appealing the decision, by writing a letter with the supporting documentation I have obtained today.
The letter read:
  1. As a result of this decision your application for ADF service will not be processed further. However, should you have new medical evidence that the medical condition has resolved (cured or long term remission in the absence of ongoing treatment) and the risk of recurrence is low or that the diagnosis is incorrect, then you may request a review of decision. This medical evidence may include a repeat Ophthalmologist report - ideally performed by Personal Eyes as it should include all of the Aviation Ophthalmologist examination parameters. The request must be submitted in writing to DFRC Sydney - Medical Section [email protected] within the 12 weeks following the date of this letter. The request should be submitted to the DFRC medical section address below
To anyone that has gone through a similar experience, or knows any information regarding this appeal process, I have the following questions:
1. Although it says it will take a minimum of 6 weeks to process by the Head of Aviation Medicine in Canberra, is it likely to be longer? Could I be stuck in a pile until next year just to be approved by a doctor?
2. Would my appeal be more likely to be approved if I went to another clinic and repeated the tests a second time, and submitted both results, instead of just one set? As I understand they will otherwise have two sets of results which contradict each other, from the same company, but from two different clinics. How would they decide which to agree with if they only have two sets as opposed to three or more.
3. As I understand my offer has been nullified because of what happened, which I find hard to believe seeing as another set of results could prove the first ones wrong, at which point I would need to receive another offer even though I was deemed fit enough to be given one in the first place. Is this actually the case?


Thank you so much for any and all replies that I receive, this is a tough time for me and any guidance from you gods will be greatly appreciated!
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 14:34
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Originally Posted by rickyrider35 View Post
Hi there,
I wrote a few times in this forum as I have been in the process to be accepted in the ADF as a pilot for over 3 years now. I'm 20, and I received an offer for RAAF Pilot ADFA on the 19th of August 2019 after attending the OSB in march.

Unfortunately, on Monday I received a letter from DFR Medical saying that my opthomologist results came in and I have an accomodation which doesn't meet the requirements of AVR1, and have been classified as AVR3. I find the entire ordeal a bit odd, since they took 3 months since I sat the tests to give me the news, during which time they called me twice to ask me if I'd come in to do my test. I've never had any problems with my eyesight. My personal opinion is that the original results of the tests were lost or misplaced. But that is irrelevant now, as my offer has been revoked, and my application is on hold until further developments.

Today I went to do another optomolagist exam, at Personal Eyes as was suggested by my coordinator, and managed to get the results the same day, which, according to my doctor, were "well within AVR1 range" and he even went as far as saying "I have no idea how the other doctor deduced you have a bad eye-accomodation".

So, now I have the option to ask for a review, which I assume is the same as appealing the decision, by writing a letter with the supporting documentation I have obtained today.
The letter read:


To anyone that has gone through a similar experience, or knows any information regarding this appeal process, I have the following questions:
1. Although it says it will take a minimum of 6 weeks to process by the Head of Aviation Medicine in Canberra, is it likely to be longer? Could I be stuck in a pile until next year just to be approved by a doctor?
2. Would my appeal be more likely to be approved if I went to another clinic and repeated the tests a second time, and submitted both results, instead of just one set? As I understand they will otherwise have two sets of results which contradict each other, from the same company, but from two different clinics. How would they decide which to agree with if they only have two sets as opposed to three or more.
3. As I understand my offer has been nullified because of what happened, which I find hard to believe seeing as another set of results could prove the first ones wrong, at which point I would need to receive another offer even though I was deemed fit enough to be given one in the first place. Is this actually the case?


Thank you so much for any and all replies that I receive, this is a tough time for me and any guidance from you gods will be greatly appreciated!
​​​​​​Having been through an appeal process regarding eyesight, in answer to your questions:
1. Yes. Except six weeks as a minimum. This is Medical, they are their own beast. Get in quick as its coming up to end of year and everything shuts down from early Dec, so ideally you'd want a successive appeal and be back on track with a new offer prior to the end of the year.
2. Two wouldn't hurt. More supporting evidence for your appeal.
3. Maybe, maybe not. Get onto the appeal quick and stay very close with your EC; they can keep you abreast as to what positions/intakes are still likely to be available
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 20:54
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I missed episode 3, but watched a recording tonight, so late call from me. Yes, it was interesting and showed me how much had changed since I was a TWU instructor. When Beagle was a student and I his instructor (yes, I'm even older than him), he had a huge choice of postings. Harriers, Jaguars, Lightnings (EE version), Buccs, Canberras, Phantoms (think that is where Beagle went to) to name a few. I may even missed a few & do remember sending one student to VC10s. Moreover, not to be able to drop real bombs, fire real rockets and guns is not as much fun. Additionally, the actual hit is more important that a pic of a simulated hit. I do recall many times I had my gun camera film debriefed by a QWI who said it was rubbish, what was my score?; to which I replied Direct Hit (DH). There is no substitute for live weapons. That said, however, I do like the modern technology whereby Instructors can debrief the fight on computer. I never got to fly ACMI.
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 09:00
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Army pilots are currently under a "no service transfers accepted" policy, so don't join Army with the expectation of making the jump.
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