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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 7th May 2018, 13:30
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Has anyone applied with ACO as their first preference and Pilot as their second? I realise pilot is the only option a lot of people would take but I am equally interested in both roles with a slight preference towards ACO. If I don't meet the pilot standard in ASP is it likely that I will not meet the ACO standard either or are they significantly different?

Cheers for all the advice on this thread
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Old 7th May 2018, 23:40
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Originally Posted by cryptoniqht View Post
Hi guys and gals,

I recently graduated uni with a Bachelors in Comp Sci and started the long application process for Pilot/ACO with my assessment day in a few weeks time. This thread has been incredibly helpful with providing material for preparation as well as insights into what the later stages of the process are like (ASP/OSB).

I originally wanted to apply for ACO as sitting behind a screen has always been my thing and I didn't think I had the competitive edge to make it through the pilot process. However I have since changed my mind and am now applying for both positions.

I was curious about those that have applied with a university degree, how much weight did this carry throughout the process? I am wondering as my grades in uni weren't exactly stellar (Credit Average) and my maths is a bit lacking as I only did General Maths in Year 12. I realise I am only still in the early stages of the process with my assessment day coming up but was curious if they went into much detail about your performance and extracurriculars at uni.

Cheers
I applied with a Bachelor of Accounting with a credit average. The point that you were able to complete a university degree shows commitment and a sound level of ability to learn and apply. Iím not sure the weighting this holds across the entire process but I can imagine it would only be in your favour.

My advice is to make a correlation between your time at university and how those skills will be valuable in the role of Pilot or ACO. I would also do a little more research into the ACO role as there is far more than sitting behind a screen, such as opportunities in JTAC and the various mission planning areas. Good luck in your upcoming assessment session, if you prepare solid,logical and honest answers to their questions, you will breeze through.
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Old 9th May 2018, 09:48
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[QUOTE=cryptoniqht;10140278]Has anyone applied with ACO as their first preference and Pilot as their second? I realise pilot is the only option a lot of people would take but I am equally interested in both roles with a slight preference towards ACO. If I don't meet the pilot standard in ASP is it likely that I will not meet the ACO standard either or are they significantly different?

Cheers for all the advice on this thread[/QUOTE

Hi,

It is possible to recieve an offer for ACO and not pilot. In my ASP I only just passed the required standard for pilot, but had a strong result for ACO. The testing for ACO does not include hand eye coordination and (I think) is more heavily weighted towards Strategic Task Management (the ability to multitask under time pressure).

Hope that helps.
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Old 10th May 2018, 00:54
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Originally Posted by cryptoniqht View Post
Has anyone applied with ACO as their first preference and Pilot as their second? I realise pilot is the only option a lot of people would take but I am equally interested in both roles with a slight preference towards ACO. If I don't meet the pilot standard in ASP is it likely that I will not meet the ACO standard either or are they significantly different?

Cheers for all the advice on this thread
I canít answer your question directly but...

I am not aware of any Navís (ACOís) who fail course then proceed directly to pilots course. Yet many who have failed pilots course proceed directly to NAV course. Thereís a reason pilots course is sometimes referred to pre-nav course!

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Old 10th May 2018, 11:16
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Random question, how would I go about getting in touch with a pilot or aco?

I have emailed the address as per the post assessment day documentation but have not got a response as of yet. Mind you I am probably getting ahead of myself here expecting a quick response.
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Old 10th May 2018, 22:48
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Just call up a base and ask if you could speak to a pilot - or better yet see if you could arrange to go out for a day.
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Old 11th May 2018, 00:26
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Hey everyone.
First time posting here, I've recently completed my assessment day as a RAAF pilot, and have failed the estimation maths test. The recruiter was a great bloke and mentioned that I was close, and scored well enough in the other tests but unfortunately would not be able to progress for another 12 months.
Feels like I've had my guts ripped out, I don't want to give up on my dreams but I guess this is a bit of a wakeup call. I'll be 23 this time next year, and will be getting pretty old by the time i completed IMPS.
I'm lost, has anyone here been in my situation and still gotten through the selection process after failing? Will this act as a strike against my name when I get to OSB? Any advice into any other RAAF or military careers would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.

BordZ Give your recruiting officer a call, they will put you in contact with a serving RAAF pilot at your closest base who would be happy to show you around. This is my experience.
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Old 13th May 2018, 05:18
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I am 28 and started the process when I was 27. I wouldn't get to hung up on the age aspect. Just try again next year, it's not over.
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Old 16th May 2018, 09:43
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Originally Posted by stichedup View Post
Hey everyone.
I'm lost, has anyone here been in my situation and still gotten through the selection process after failing? Will this act as a strike against my name when I get to OSB? Any advice into any other RAAF or military careers would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.
This definitely won't count as a strike against your name, if anything if you come back next year will only strengthen your position in the application. This shows that you are both motivated towards the role, and committed to making the steps forward needed to make you competitive. As long as you are honest with the board in your performance and progress it should be very positive in your favour.
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Old 24th May 2018, 11:21
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Originally Posted by stichedup View Post
Hey everyone.
First time posting here, I've recently completed my assessment day as a RAAF pilot, and have failed the estimation maths test. The recruiter was a great bloke and mentioned that I was close and scored well enough in the other tests but unfortunately would not be able to progress for another 12 months.
Feels like I've had my guts ripped out, I don't want to give up on my dreams but I guess this is a bit of a wakeup call. I'll be 23 this time next year, and will be getting pretty old by the time I completed IMPS.
I'm lost, has anyone here been in my situation and still gotten through the selection process after failing? Will this act as a strike against my name when I get to OSB? Any advice on any other RAAF or military careers would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.

BordZ Give your recruiting officer a call, they will put you in contact with a serving RAAF pilot at your closest base who would be happy to show you around. This is my experience.

Don't stress about your age mate. I applied when I was 17 after wanting to be a fighter pilot since I was 6, I advised that my high school OP was 23 and promptly told this wasn't a career for me as my file was closed in front of my crushed acne ridden face. I then tried to join as an Avtech hoping to move across to pilot internally. They offered me a position in the Navy, however, I decided to come back a little more competitive. I went away, redid grade 11 and 12 at TAFE as well as an external physics course which bumped that 23 up to a 6 equivalent. From there I started uni and completed a Bachelor of Aviation. On the side, I joined Crimestoppers, the SES and completed a number of leadership roles at uni. I have also completed my commercial pilot licence and multi-engine command instrument rating as part of the course too.

I reapplied, started the YOU session from scratch and was deemed competitive. I received a call to attend the FSP, however, my medical hadn't cleared. Apparently I have a condition known as mild Thrombocytopaenia, essentially a low platelet count. The normal range is 150 - 400, my results were 148. I was told I could not join any service in any role because of this. Many many emails, phone calls, verbal and written 'no's', specialist visits to oncologists, and even a bone marrow test later, I finally was approved to join. As ecstatic as I was, they quickly informed me my YOU session had lapsed and I would need to start the entire process for a third and final allowed time.

I completed the whole process yet again and have had to wait nearly another year since then while they have worked out this transition from FSP to ASP. I turn 30 in August, though I will be doing the ASP next week. While it's been a long road, persistence does pay off.

My cousin was in the RAAF for 23 years, he was a fighter combat instructor at 2OCU, he had seen 28-year-olds come through there.

Good luck with it, just remember that if it is really what you want, you'll get there.
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Old 25th May 2018, 01:07
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Originally Posted by peterpilot88 View Post
Don't stress about your age mate. I applied when I was 17 after wanting to be a fighter pilot since I was 6, I advised that my high school OP was 23 and promptly told this wasn't a career for me as my file was closed in front of my crushed acne ridden face. I then tried to join as an Avtech hoping to move across to pilot internally. They offered me a position in the Navy, however, I decided to come back a little more competitive. I went away, redid grade 11 and 12 at TAFE as well as an external physics course which bumped that 23 up to a 6 equivalent. From there I started uni and completed a Bachelor of Aviation. On the side, I joined Crimestoppers, the SES and completed a number of leadership roles at uni. I have also completed my commercial pilot licence and multi-engine command instrument rating as part of the course too.

I reapplied, started the YOU session from scratch and was deemed competitive. I received a call to attend the FSP, however, my medical hadn't cleared. Apparently I have a condition known as mild Thrombocytopaenia, essentially a low platelet count. The normal range is 150 - 400, my results were 148. I was told I could not join any service in any role because of this. Many many emails, phone calls, verbal and written 'no's', specialist visits to oncologists, and even a bone marrow test later, I finally was approved to join. As ecstatic as I was, they quickly informed me my YOU session had lapsed and I would need to start the entire process for a third and final allowed time.

I completed the whole process yet again and have had to wait nearly another year since then while they have worked out this transition from FSP to ASP. I turn 30 in August, though I will be doing the ASP next week. While it's been a long road, persistence does pay off.

My cousin was in the RAAF for 23 years, he was a fighter combat instructor at 2OCU, he had seen 28-year-olds come through there.

Good luck with it, just remember that if it is really what you want, you'll get there.
G'day Peter,

Just wanted to ask how long your wait was from completing your assessment day to being offered a spot at ASP?
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Old 27th May 2018, 08:40
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My last Assessment day was 22nd of May 2017.

Cheers,

Pete.
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Old 28th May 2018, 02:53
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Peter, all the very best!
Your tireless efforts will no doubt pay off and are a testament to your character - best of luck at ASP!
That's been a hell of a ride for you!
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Old 28th May 2018, 04:35
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Thanks Joseph!

I will remain resolute to the bitter end if need be! I am of the belief you haven't failed until you give up.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 10:12
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Originally Posted by NickyG View Post
ASP - I recently received an invitation to attend ASP (mid March) assuming I'll be one of the first. I'm seeking any assistance on how to prepare/what to expect as info in the letter was limited. I've applied for JBAC and already been recommended by OSB but still waiting for offer.
I know this is a pilots thread but since the testing is now combined across all OA roles I'm hoping to get some links to practice assessment likely to be included. Can anyone point me in the right direction for Aviation cognitive tests online?
The letter stated that the assessment component is all computer based consisting of aptitude testing using the Military Aviation Cognitive Testing System (MACTS).
It reads as if the test will be exactly the same regardless of the role applied for and I'm wary my flying aptitude is limited.
Thanks in advance for the assistance and I'm happy to contribute a brief if the ASP once completed.
Hi NickyG,

How are you going with your JBAC application?
I also have applied for ATC and I have my Assessment Day this month.

Feel free to message me as I tried to message you but it wouldn't let me.

Cheers
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 01:09
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RAAF Pilot Assessment Day - Next Step

Hey guys,

Yesterday I had my assessment day for a position as a RAAF pilot.

I'll keep this brief. Basically my school results were average (I'm not dumb, I was just lazy in school), but I passed everything to meet the requirements. Its been a few years since school and I am a much more motivated and committed person than I was back then. Yesterday in the test however, I scored extremely high and did well throughout the whole day. Now, I'm just wondering how much merit that will actually carry? Do the school results matter if they have proof that things have changed? I'm heading to ASP in about 2 months. I'm not too concerned and they told me that I shouldn't be either, just to keep studying. Can anyone give their experience in ASP? I'm aware that they use MACTS to test you.

Thanks guys.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 06:00
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I just got an offer to Attend ASP from the 30th July to the 2nd August, three years in the waiting. Did anyone else get an offer to attend. Could direct message me.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 08:18
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Those wishing a military flying career might wish to think outside the box. A young lad I've known since birth wanted to join the Navy as a pilot. Flunked the testing but was offered a Observer position which he accepted. Towards the end of his Observer commitment he applied again for Pilot which he passed. Dux at Pearce and RAAF offered him Hornets if he'd swap services. Declined, so at the age of 34 the newly graduated pilot decided to stay Navy and fly helos. More than one way to skin a cat.
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 04:23
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Iím currently waiting on an invite for ASP, and I was wondering whether anyone knows how often they sit the boards?
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 07:36
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Originally Posted by kyle_ View Post
I just got an offer to Attend ASP from the 30th July to the 2nd August, three years in the waiting. Did anyone else get an offer to attend. Could direct message me.
Congrats man on getting the offer,
Just wondering how long the wait has been since assessment day? I sat mine January this year and they gave me the heads up saying I might get an invite in July/August. Help is much appreciated.
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