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Old 28th Mar 2018, 07:59
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Originally Posted by tayra View Post
In the RAF thread on this very forum!
Nice.

I thought it was funny that no one caught on to the fact the images on the joining instructions were copyrighted with "UK MOD". If that wasn't enough of a hint than I don't know what is.

How did you go?
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 07:45
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Hey All,

Im wondering if anyone has been given any indication of how long we will wait for an officer selection board now that weíve progressed through the ASP? Also, how much notice do you usually get?

Iíve heard the next intakes for initial officer training for RAAF are July and August and then not until next year.

Itís hard to organise your life when youíre stuck in this waiting game.
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 09:51
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Originally Posted by EttaJames29 View Post
Hey All,

Im wondering if anyone has been given any indication of how long we will wait for an officer selection board now that weíve progressed through the ASP? Also, how much notice do you usually get?

Iíve heard the next intakes for initial officer training for RAAF are July and August and then not until next year.

Itís hard to organise your life when youíre stuck in this waiting game.
What stage are you up to?

You are notified during the ASP as to whether you have passed. 10 business days later you will receive a letter to say whether you will be offered an OSB based on your preferences. After that you wait until Canberra decides to lock in a date for your OSB.

Not everyone will get an offer to attend an OSB, even those who rank very highly with their ASP scores.

I have been told I will have the opportunity to go to a Pilot's OSB but I do not know when it is yet. I may get notified of my OSB date next week, or perhaps it will be months down the track.

My EC emailed me saying:
"Small RAAF intakes are currently scheduled for July & August 2018 and January & February 2019.
Small RAN intakes are currently scheduled for July 2018 & January 2019."

Note the word "Small".

I've got my heart set on the Navy (or Army but they aren't hiring) but have been told that there are only 2 positions for NEOC Navy Pilots this July, and 3 for Jan 2018. If the Navy are only hiring 5 pilots for the next year and my EC refers to a "small" RAN intake, then the RAAF's "small" intake may be similar. I am unsure as to where the "we're crying out for pilots" term comes from.
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 10:09
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Hey Hans,

Thatís amazing news - congrats! I passed both pilot and mission at the ASP, but have only received an offer of progression for ACO at this point. Just deciding whether to wait the 12 months and retest or progress with this offer.

I suppose it canít hurt to keep moving with this offer. If it ends up dragging out till next Jan anyway, I can always change my mind and resit ASP.

Just wondering how much notice they usually give you before officer selection boards. Not sure how frantically I should be studying up and visiting bases etc
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 10:40
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EttaJames29,

I was looking over the officer's thread on Ausmilitary. Some people were offered OSB dates (for all roles, not pilot roles) a week or so after their assessment day. Some waited in excess of 6 months before hearing back.

Further to this, many candidates were giving a letter of offer a week or two before their officer training started. For anyone who passes an OSB, make sure you've got you shit in order leading up to June/July.

Also, EttaJames, check you mailbox

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Old 30th Mar 2018, 14:35
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen View Post
I get what your saying, but the civilian alternative isn't much better: 6 figure student debt then off to the outback to do tourist flights on 30k a year is the reality for most.

It's that or you have loaded parents who pay the $150,000 to secure you an airlines cadetship.

If I ever make it as a pilot in the ADF I am sure I will have my gripes, but serving your country has gotta be better than serving Qantas.
Pilots in general like most humans are a fickle bunch. I doubt many RAAF pilots would change joining if they had a time machine. But there comes a time for most where they either want out or get out. The grass is always greener after all.

The money is good depending on if you are on new or old pay scheme. But the locational instability and the effect that has on relationships outside of defence is likely the reason most get out.
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 08:17
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Hey Hans, great info on ASP and thanks. Do you think this website will be helpful for the exams? https ://pilotaptitudetest. com/knowledgebase/royal-air-force/ (remove the space between . and com and s and this is based off the RAF testing which is what I presume we have switched to going off what everyone is saying and a little bit of evidence in their joining instructions.

Not sure how accurate this is but seems like it matches with how many tests there are, 20 for ASP and about 19 on the website. Also Tarya/Hans , what order do you think the 7 domains go for the pilot tests and the 6 for mission elementary?
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 08:43
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Hans, great insight, I found a website which trains for RAF testing, it's called Pilot Aptitude tests and it has a data base of various defences forces and air lines, which also includes the tests for RAF and RAAF. It also matches with how many tests there will be on the day, which is about 20, and in the RAF data base, there are 19. Also Tarya/Hans, in what order do you think they prioritise the 7 domains for pilot and 6 domains for mission elementary?
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 11:28
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If you are referring to https://pilotaptitudetest.com/ then save your money it wont help you (my opinion). There is another similarly named website (pilot aptitude systems) which I believe is a well known scam. If it costs hundreds to thousands of dollars it's not worth it.

If the ADF are using the same weightings as the RAF (highly likely) then each of the 7 domains has a roughly equal weighting (11-16% of total score) for pilot whereas ATC/ACO is skewed heavily towards "strategic task management". Each domain has a specific stanine cutoff from the 2nd-5th stanine which in statistical terms essentially ranges from below average to average. One could assume the ADF gets a slightly right-shifted distribution of individuals compared to the general population so below average may not appear as so. If you fail to meet the cutoff in any domain you do not pass for that role regardless of overall score.

The testing feels very much like an "either you have it or you don't" situation. As far as preparation goes, I could only confidently say that mental maths practice had a definite positive effect on my score. That and 20+ years of solid video games is likely your best bet for success. So go do your timetables and play some PUBG.
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 12:15
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Originally Posted by tayra View Post
If you are referring to pilot then save your money it wont help you (my opinion). There is another similarly named website (pilot aptitude systems) which I believe is a well known scam. If it costs hundreds to thousands of dollars it's not worth it.

If the ADF are using the same weightings as the RAF (highly likely) then each of the 7 domains has a roughly equal weighting (11-16% of total score) for pilot whereas ATC/ACO is skewed heavily towards "strategic task management". Each domain has a specific stanine cutoff from the 2nd-5th stanine which in statistical terms essentially ranges from below average to average. One could assume the ADF gets a slightly right-shifted distribution of individuals compared to the general population so below average may not appear as so. If you fail to meet the cutoff in any domain you do not pass for that role regardless of overall score.

The testing feels very much like an "either you have it or you don't" situation. As far as preparation goes, I could only confidently say that mental maths practice had a definite positive effect on my score. That and 20+ years of solid video games is likely your best bet for success. So go do your timetables and play some PUBG.
Haha, great insight, I presume you have done the exams. From what I have gathered, there's no point trying to slack in any of the domains (not that I was planning to), my mental math is alright, could be better, gaming I've done since I was a child, was almost a professional in one at one stage. I think my hand eye coordination is ok, and my multi tasking maybe ok because in the game, I had to make fast paced decisions, communicate with my team and play well on the sticks. But I can't become over confident.

Also if you don't mind me asking, how many candidates passed in your session? was trying to calculate how many would be in an OSB pool before my session And was the short term memory stuff difficult? I struggle sometimes with that but I've seen significant improvement in my scores the last few days since I've been practising hard. Cheers.
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 14:04
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pilotaptitudetest.com is a joke. I paid the $70.00 and can quite confidently say it will not help.

Computer games will help on the provision you have good hand/eye coordination and spatial awareness in the first place. Do not jump on the Xbox the night before thinking that getting a few chicken dinners will somehow help. Like tayra said, it's either a case of you have it or you don't.

I lost a couple of points with the psychomotor test despite being pretty good at computer games myself. If you're tall like me (6'3") you may find this test a bit more difficult. Take the time to reposition the desk, chair and equipment. If you're tall you're knees will either hit the top of the desk or your feet will hit the back of the desk, depending on how you're positioned. This will mess you up a lot on a couple of tests. Another candidate in my group complained of this too. She was 6'2.

Go in confident and try to enjoy the experience. Even if you don't get an offer for a Pilot OSB still consider other roles. The ASP is a great opportunity for you to speak to ACOs/ATCs/ABMs/etc and to go on the base tours (yes DFR have paid me to say this). You might find you have a strong interest for one of the mission elementary roles while you're there. ATC certainly wasn't for me but I'd still strongly consider ACO and pursue a civilian license in my own time if I am unsuccessful with my first preference.
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 23:21
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Originally Posted by quantify View Post
Also if you don't mind me asking, how many candidates passed in your session? was trying to calculate how many would be in an OSB pool before my session
Are you going for DEO or ADFA?

My group had 5 passes for pilot, 2 competitive. The group after had 4 passes for pilot with none competitive. Those pass rates were apparently quite high compared to prior groups.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 01:50
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Question New RAAF Aviation Selection Program 2018 (PC-21)

Hi all,

My intention here is not to be spoon feed information on the new ASP for Officer candidates (starting early 2018), rather I wish to know if anyone has come across any helpful sites/links in regards to any of the following domains:
  • Perceptual processing
  • Short-term memory and capacity
  • Spatial reasoning
  • Symbolic reasoning
  • Central information processing
Any other helpful links for other domains for the new ADF Officer ASP would be GREATLY appreciated!

Cheers guys.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 02:03
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Thanks again Hans, will look into other roles if they interest me.

Tayra I am applying for ADFA, that seems very tough. By group do you mean the group of 12 in the same ASP or do you mean another ASP. My guess is in the same ASP. If ASP started in March and we assume they have had 1 asp per week until now, that would be about 5 ASPs, from 40 candidates around 8 pass on average (that's what I got told from someone else that has done the ASP) and say about 4 deemed competitive. That would be 20 candidates in the OSB pool as of now (give or take, no idea how accurate these estimates are, if anyone can find out the ASP schedule that would be great, on the RAAF website it says it was supposed to be up late 2017 but there's nothing there. Or if you have a better idea of how many actually progress to OSB). Also selection for ASP after your assessment day is not based of a pool like FSP was correct? If you passed assessment day, you were invited. Although if you weren't invited to flight screening (if they didn't deem your profile competitive) then even if you get a good score on ASP, your chances may still be low to get selected for OSB. But hey, at least they give you chance now.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 02:51
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Originally Posted by Hunter16 View Post
Hi all,

My intention here is not to be spoon feed information on the new ASP for Officer candidates (starting early 2018), rather I wish to know if anyone has come across any helpful sites/links in regards to any of the following domains:
  • Perceptual processing
  • Short-term memory and capacity
  • Spatial reasoning
  • Symbolic reasoning
  • Central information processing
Any other helpful links for other domains for the new ADF Officer ASP would be GREATLY appreciated!

Cheers guys.
The briefest of searches would have sent you here...

RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

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Old 4th Apr 2018, 03:07
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Each ASP course had 10 candidates on it. The testing room can seat up to 12. Numbers are probably limited by accommodation, chaperone staff availability etc.

As of the end of March around 120-130 candidates had been screened. Seems about 1 in 20 are getting a competitive score for pilot. That rate may go up as BFTS (soon to be 1FTS again) can accommodate more students and thus the competitive score goes down to increase supply.

A competitive score for ADFA pilot may well be lower because you won't be entering the training pipeline for several years.

I think you are right in that any candidates who pass all the requirements up to and including their assessment day will most likely get an ASP slot. It may well still be merit based but the time you'll wait will be much shorter than the wait for flight screening was.

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Old 4th Apr 2018, 03:58
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Originally Posted by tayra View Post
Each ASP course had 10 candidates on it. The testing room can seat up to 12. Numbers are probably limited by accommodation, chaperone staff availability etc.

As of the end of March around 120-130 candidates had been screened. Seems about 1 in 20 are getting a competitive score for pilot. That rate may go up as BFTS (soon to be 1FTS again) can accommodate more students and thus the competitive score goes down to increase supply.

A competitive score for ADFA pilot may well be lower because you won't be entering the training pipeline for several years.

I think you are right in that any candidates who pass all the requirements up to and including their assessment day will most likely get an ASP slot. It may well still be merit based but the time you'll wait will be much shorter than the wait for flight screening was.

I have not heard of anyone being paneled for an OSB yet, pilot or aco/atc.
Ah ok, that makes sense, considering I won't be applying for direct entry, I hope there is a lower score lol, seems sort of unfair for the DE people but supply and demand, ah well, no point complaining. Also could you gauge how many people from your ASP (and past ones) applied for direct entry vs ADFA? Will that even matter? I should probably just worry about myself instead of trying to count my chances haha. Does anyone know how many ADFA pilot OSB's they hold per year? Guessing it'll change drastically since ASP has just rolled out.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 05:16
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Hey guys, I'm hoping some of you guys may be able to help me out seeing as recruitment have given me nothing.

So I was given an 'advanced offer' back in December, their way of saying "your offer isn't ready yet but we want you to know you don't have to redo ASP". They slapped on a date of 18th May and that was it. It's now April and I've received no information as to what that date is for, when to attend a PFA session or any answers to any questions for that matter.

Does anyone have any insight into the wording of my offer being "effective from 18th May"? Is that the date I leave, the date I start OTS, etc.? I've asked my case manager but she knows nothing. Another thing no one seems to be able to tell me is what happens to my stuff (i.e. furniture, belongings, car) when I leave? I'm assuming they store it but is what happens in between my responsibility or theirs?

Also, has anyone had any experience in carting their own PC builds on to base or ditched it for a laptop/tablet? I realise it sounds like a dumb question but I don't want to do anything unneccessary if I don't have to.

Has anyone been able to squeeze out of a lease early due to Defence service?

I'd appreciate any answers or insight, thanks guys
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 07:53
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Oh, and...

I believe DEO and ADFA ASP's are held separately. From what I know they were largely to be held this month to fit in with the school holiday period. So, who knows what the competitive score will be for ADFA candidates.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 08:26
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So I was given an 'advanced offer' back in December,
I have not heard of an "advanced offer". According to the RAAF website, if you were not given an actual offer prior to Jan 1st 2018 you will need to attend the ASP. Were you a pilot candidate or something else? Perhaps someone else reading this thread could jump in on this one?

At this point there are only intakes for July/August 2018. I did however hear rumours of a possible 5th course intake starting this May but don't quote me on it.

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Another thing no one seems to be able to tell me is what happens to my stuff (i.e. furniture, belongings, car) when I leave?
Sorry, but I had to laugh at this. While it's the least of your concerns at this point, have a read through this:
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=R...ctions&ie=&oe=

Squeezing out of a lease early is solely dependant on the landlord: basically whether they are a prick or not.

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