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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 14th Mar 2018, 01:28
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Slezy9 and Junior.VH-LFA

I agree with what you have both said and will take it on board. But consider where my frustration on this topic has come from. I have just completed the ASP program with candidates who rocked up to a RAAF base in shorts, t-shirt and thongs. Candidates who needed to be told several times that they would not be allowed to enter the officer's mess for dinner in the clothes they were wearing. Candidates who were happy to ruin other people's positive experience because they failed the ASP. Candidates who said they wanted a RAAF pilot job yet did not want to go on deployment...

Funnily enough these were the same candidates who would often say they would accept nothing short of RAAF fast-jet pilot.

The key point I am trying to make in all of this, which it seems I have failed to achieve thus far, is for candidates to still try their best for the entire program and not waste the ADF's time. We all know it is highly like that the majority of 3000 applicants who apply per year will not be given a job offer for pilot. So why not increase your chances to accept a role for Mission Elementary or helicopters if you don't make the cut for RAAF pilot?

I for one am very happy to have a non-aviation military career but am certainly not "keen to do anything". I will just have to recognise that the 95% of candidates who fail the recruitment phase are not.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 05:43
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Haha, I got my first job out of high school for being the only one at a group interview not wearing thongs and boardies.

I don't think it's unreasonable for people going through these first ASPs to only want the job they've applied for. I want to be a pilot and an Officer in the RAAF... at the same time. It's going to be different for everyone. If it actually becomes the case that you don't know which job pathway you're on till after OTS then yeah, it seems very likely that some people will jump ship during their IMPS grace period if they dont get what they want. So as it stands, those self-selecting themselves out of contention is good thing. As for the people being bitter after failing, this is likely the first major 'NO' that some of them have received in their lives. Especially because it's almost a personal attack of 'no you as a person do not have the aptitude to do this job'. Whether or not they bounce back and learn from it before having another crack is the main concern.

After some more cyber sleuthing I found those 7 domains that you mentioned. Looks like they've introduced some new names for them whilst the tests remain the same. Hope you did well on the CLAN test if it was covered. It's the most significant (statistical) indicator of IFR performance apparently.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 21:51
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Thanks to all the contributors, the info has definitely made me more confident.

During the ASP test, I am guessing they don't give you any feedback for individual answers? Like a green tick.
And I couldn't find anything about it online, but is it true that there is a verbal reasoning test in the ASP?
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 03:58
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Originally Posted by Thunder2 View Post
During the ASP test, I am guessing they don't give you any feedback for individual answers? Like a green tick.
And I couldn't find anything about it online, but is it true that there is a verbal reasoning test in the ASP?
Hey thunder, you guess right. Practice questions will give you a green tick, but the testing questions wonít. The only feedback you get is at the end of course, which is still just a general overview.

There is a bit of verbal reasoning, but itís not especially difficult.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 15:19
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@hansfalkenhagen - congratulations on the recommendation. You seem very motivated and keen to do well, which will stand you in good stead in your future training.

To all others reading his advice, take it with a grain of salt.

Many years ago I received a phone call to congratulate me on being offered the role of Navigator. I declined, and 3 days later received the offer of Pilot, a decision which I cannot thank my 17 year old self enough for.
DFR and the RAAF will try and get you in for whatever role they can, knowing there is a trickle down to other specialisations from those that initially applied for Pilot.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with knowing what you want. There are many great careers in the RAAF, however being 'in the RAAF' is not the be all and end all, and it is 100% OK to say you only want to be a Pilot.

Also, '3000 pilot applicants a year' is drastically overstated. We are chronically short and can't get enough good people in the door, let alone out the end of the training pipeline.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 00:51
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Originally Posted by Rosco22 View Post
Also, '3000 pilot applicants a year' is drastically overstated. We are chronically short and can't get enough good people in the door, let alone out the end of the training pipeline.
In the late 90's/early 2000's there were approx 10,000 applications for pilot across all three services per year. There has been a steady decline in interest over the last 15 years or so. In 2016 there were 400 people who walked through the door and said I want to be a military pilot.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 13:34
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Because people of the current generation arenít stupid enough to sign on to something for 11.5 years with so many variables when they can just get a HECS loan and do a Cadetship...

The RAAF will figure that out, eventually.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 21:24
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Is the IMPS really the defining factor? If you read these forums for any amount of time it doesn't seem like anyone is painting Civil aviation in the best light either.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 22:19
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To any pilots currently at East Sale, do you know when we will be receiving the rest of the PC21's (the other 43 I believe)?

Will they even put groups through BTFS at the moment or will they be waiting 'till next year?
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Old 20th Mar 2018, 12:22
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Originally Posted by tayra View Post
Is the IMPS really the defining factor? If you read these forums for any amount of time it doesn't seem like anyone is painting Civil aviation in the best light either.
Times are and have been changing for a while.

I like the RAAF, Iím not dumb enough to think itís the best wicket in the world though. The exodus underway is enough to demonstrate that.

But Iíll never regret it, hell, I love the actual flying more than I could ever explain.
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Old 20th Mar 2018, 23:27
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Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA View Post
But Iíll never regret it, hell, I love the actual flying more than I could ever explain.
My thoughts exactly!

But... I believe it's a young mans game, unless you want to be CAF.
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 11:04
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Have done both. Much preferred being with Ronny.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 09:09
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Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA View Post
I like the RAAF, Iím not dumb enough to think itís the best wicket in the world though.
C'mon mate. You're a pilot in the RAAF. You have the best wicket in the world.

Most people could only dream of what you do for a living.

If you don't mind me asking, what aircraft are you assigned to?
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 09:20
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen View Post
C'mon mate. You're a pilot in the RAAF. You have the best wicket in the world.

Most people could only dream of what you do for a living.

If you don't mind me asking, what aircraft are you assigned to?
Yeah, below average pay, moving every 3 years, secondary duties that have zero to do with being a pilot, ground jobs, etc...

The best wicket it aint, don't get me wrong, it's good for a while but you cant do it forever.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 09:26
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I get what your saying, but the civilian alternative isn't much better: 6 figure student debt then off to the outback to do tourist flights on 30k a year is the reality for most.

It's that or you have loaded parents who pay the $150,000 to secure you an airlines cadetship.

If I ever make it as a pilot in the ADF I am sure I will have my gripes, but serving your country has gotta be better than serving Qantas.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 09:27
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but perhaps I am being too optimistic about a career in the ADF
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 10:41
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Dude, you havenít done it, donít pretend you know more than the people who have.

Like I said, itís the best flying I have or ever will do.

Thatís about the end of it.
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Old 25th Mar 2018, 00:31
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My application has been going on for three years now due to some medical issues (had a knee recon took a year to get cleared). I have sat two assessment days and passed both with flying colours. My last one was November 2017. I received a call two weeks ago from ASP to attend the next available session as someone had dropped it. (Last week of March) Unfortunately i had to say no as i was on holidays in Melbourne at the time. (shame it was so close to East Sale) However i was advised the next ASP was in May and should expect a call in April. All the information on this forum has been so beneficial in getting me into the position i am today. So fingers crossed i get the call for the next ASP.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 00:22
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Originally Posted by tayra View Post
Haha, I got my first job out of high school for being the only one at a group interview not wearing thongs and boardies.

I don't think it's unreasonable for people going through these first ASPs to only want the job they've applied for. I want to be a pilot and an Officer in the RAAF... at the same time. It's going to be different for everyone. If it actually becomes the case that you don't know which job pathway you're on till after OTS then yeah, it seems very likely that some people will jump ship during their IMPS grace period if they dont get what they want. So as it stands, those self-selecting themselves out of contention is good thing. As for the people being bitter after failing, this is likely the first major 'NO' that some of them have received in their lives. Especially because it's almost a personal attack of 'no you as a person do not have the aptitude to do this job'. Whether or not they bounce back and learn from it before having another crack is the main concern.

After some more cyber sleuthing I found those 7 domains that you mentioned. Looks like they've introduced some new names for them whilst the tests remain the same. Hope you did well on the CLAN test if it was covered. It's the most significant (statistical) indicator of IFR performance apparently.

My ASP is coming up in 2 weeks time. Any tips on where to find those 7 domains for ASP practice
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 07:24
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In the RAF thread on this very forum!
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