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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 30th Jan 2018, 05:51
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Originally Posted by Akahmi View Post
trip to ADFA college
If you can’t name it correctly; it’s unlikely that they’ll pay you to attend it. “Lol”
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 06:53
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Alright everyone, while the individual might not have the same level of life experience as other members on this forum, I think his intentions were cordial.

But let's put the thread back on track.

I called up DFR earlier this week. I was notified that they were still waiting on "target numbers" for applicants to put through the ASP. Apparently this information is to be received by DFR in late Feb/March.

If anyone has any further information on the oh-so-long-wait, please post here.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 08:07
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen View Post
Alright everyone, while the individual might not have the same level of life experience as other members on this forum, I think his intentions were cordial.

But let's put the thread back on track.

I called up DFR earlier this week. I was notified that they were still waiting on "target numbers" for applicants to put through the ASP. Apparently this information is to be received by DFR in late Feb/March.

If anyone has any further information on the oh-so-long-wait, please post here.
Had a chat to my EC this week. It looks like (at least for my EC) that they are still waiting for official policies and procedures from the RAAF about how to process applicants.

As of last September the priority for candidates attending the ASP was apparently based on the date of assessment day. This is presumably to avoid as many candidates lapsing as possible. Whether or not this holds is up in the air for now. Also no word on those left in the FSP pool being given priority over others.

Nothing new regarding the nature of the screening though my money is still firmly on a CBAT battery similar to the RAF and CAF. They must be in a bit of a hurry to get everything together if they're still intent on screening at the start of March.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 12:25
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Originally Posted by tayra View Post
They must be in a bit of a hurry to get everything together if they're still intent on screening at the start of March.
I think they are certainly still in a hurry. They are still hiring PC-21 technicians on seek.com.au!!!

Come March I would of waited 10 months for the ASP, so hopefully I get an offer for the program rather than sit another 9 hour assessment day (my winge for the day ).

Also, for everyone reading, I suggest heading over to the RAAF website. They have updated their site with more info regarding the ASP and other links for OSB, etc. (https://www.airforce.gov.au/our-peop...eening-program)

A key tit-bit of info I took away from this: "RAAF and Navy pilot students will start training on the PC21 in Jan 2019 and Army students will follow in Jan 2020. All pilot candidates for the 2018 ADFA intake, regardless of service, will still be selected using the current FSP. Additionally, students for the last RAAF pilot course on the CT4, which starts in mid-2018, will also still be selected using the FSP." It lines up nicely with the lengths of each service's officer training courses.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 12:50
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen View Post
Come March I would of waited 10 months for the ASP, so hopefully I get an offer for the program rather than sit another 9 hour assessment day.
I'm in a similar boat to you with ASP timing coming very close to when I sat my assessment day.

But on that note, I was also told of two eventualities:

Attend ASP -> pass -> attend OSB -> assessment day lapses
= Resit the medical portion only. (unsure if specialists as well)

Attend ASP -> pass -> assessment day lapses with no OSB offer
= Resit the entire day, pysch, DI, med etc.

I think it's quite likely a fair few candidates will be re-sitting their assessment days because of the timing. Even if you assume that they will push people through quickly who don't have long before their year is up. You also have to factor in that OSBs are now separate and not pilot specific and perhaps the ACMC has no say in when they're run. They'll either need to account for the timing of the first couple of OSBs after the ASP or they just let the chips fall where they may and it's down to luck .

But as Joe mentioned above there are many people who've spent over a year to get in. In fact I think under a year from application to entry might be on the shorter side of things judging from most of the candidates I've talked to.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 13:24
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Originally Posted by tayra View Post

But as Joe mentioned above there are many people who've spent over a year to get in. In fact I think under a year from application to entry might be on the shorter side of things judging from most of the candidates I've talked to.
Yeah I agree. I've been in the pipeline for a few years. I haven't failed any stage but have more or less been 'resume building' for some time now (playing in an indie rock n' roll band for a few years seems to question DFR's perception of your motives for wanting to join... but perseverance is key).
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 23:27
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Good Morning everyone,

I am intending on starting an application to join the RAAF as a DEO Pilot and have a quick query about the new Air Academy program that is being started up. I have spoken to DFR and they were apologetically uninformed about the new processes (not their fault at all) but seeing as some people here may be in the recruitment process, I thought some one here may have some guidance.

From all the information I can find on the DFR/Air Force website, there will be two pathways into the Air Academy, one being Pilot pathway and the other Mission Elementary pathway.

There are also a few areas where it states that you will not know which operational stream you will be selected for at the time of attending the Air Academy. The information also goes on to state that you will know which pathway (pilot or mission) that you will be on in the Academy at the time of your appointment.

As it is all a little confusing to me, my question is this. Can this be read into as if you apply as a pilot applicant and successfully get recommended for pilot throughout the ASP/OSB process, that your offer of appointment will state you will be on the pilot pathway, and that once you are down at the air academy you do not have the chance of being streamed off into air traffic control or air combat officer etc? Would I be correct in believing that it is only officer candidates on the mission elementary pathway side of things that have the uncertainty as to which role they will end up in?

As I will be leaving a different high paying job in the aviation industry to pursue this dream to become a pilot (if accepted obviously, never a guarantee), it would be comforting to confirm how I read the website in that I can apply to become a pilot but not accidentally become an air traffic controller without any input of my own.

Kind Regards.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 10:25
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NC92, I believe you have it spot on.

From what I understand in the future we will all be applying as officer aviation candidates and ASP results will determine which pathway you enter as.

At the ASP I assume there will be both a cutoff for Pilot and a cutoff (likely lower) for ACO/JBAC. If you make pilot, great, pilot is what you get but if you go through as mission pathway you have that uncertainty a la GSO as to where you'll end up.

edit: apparently the future of the program is for there to be no streaming until AFTER OTS and the first lot of coursework at the air academy.

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Old 1st Feb 2018, 14:33
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"Since the RAAF does not recruit to particular job streams, if candidates are successful in their application they will appointed to the RAAF as part of the Officer Aviation Family and their letter of offer will indicate; the type of officer intake, the pathway will be into the Air Academy, and any restriction of employment."

https://www.airforce.gov.au/our-peop...ficer-aviation
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 11:52
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AVMED and COMSURV

Hi,
I have a little bit of confusion regarding Initial Employment Training. I have read from a few sources that if going through ADFA, both COMSURV and AVMED are completed whilst there. However if going through direct entry AVMED is completed just before BFTS and COMSURV is completed between BFTS and 2FTS. I was just wondering if this is correct.
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Old 9th Feb 2018, 01:21
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Anecdotally I was on a base tour recently and one of the pilots there didn't complete COMSURV till after his opcon so course availability is probably the deciding factor of when you do it.
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Old 10th Feb 2018, 22:57
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ASP

ASP - I recently received an invitation to attend ASP (mid March) assuming I'll be one of the first. I'm seeking any assistance on how to prepare/what to expect as info in the letter was limited. I've applied for JBAC and already been recommended by OSB but still waiting for offer.
I know this is a pilots thread but since the testing is now combined across all OA roles I'm hoping to get some links to practice assessment likely to be included. Can anyone point me in the right direction for Aviation cognitive tests online?
The letter stated that the assessment component is all computer based consisting of aptitude testing using the Military Aviation Cognitive Testing System (MACTS).
It reads as if the test will be exactly the same regardless of the role applied for and I'm wary my flying aptitude is limited.
Thanks in advance for the assistance and I'm happy to contribute a brief if the ASP once completed.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 02:25
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I generally recommend:

https://www.preplounge.com/en/mental-math.php

for general mental maths practice and

Speed Distance Time | OASC: RAF Officer and Aircrew Selection Centre

for speed/distance/time/fuel questions. One caveat about this website is that all of the questions use "nice" numbers which can get you unstuck if you get thrown questions where you are forced to round or estimate answers.

If you are anyway programming inclined it's fairly simple to make your own questions with more variety and difficulty.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 03:13
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Hey NickyG, I'm in the same boat as you. I was offered a position on an ASP in early/mid March as well, and the lack of info in the email was slightly frustrating. However, it did say that once your position and itinerary has been confirmed you'll be emailed an "ASP Package", so fingers crossed there'll be some info in that. I also have some friends at East Sale at the moment and if I find out anything helpful I'll be sure to pass it on.

Tayra - thanks for those links. There's also a pretty good pdf floating around google somewhere (unfortunately I don't have the link anymore) which details all the pilot aptitude testing in use by the different branches of the US armed forces. There's some decent techniques in there about approaching typical battery testing, and it's good to skim through at the very least. I'll chuck the link up if I find it.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 04:23
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Originally Posted by NickyG View Post
ASP - I recently received an invitation to attend ASP (mid March)
Congrats!

When exactly did you receive this letter and when did you sit your assessment day and OSB?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 22:53
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They did say starting and March and they seem to be sticking to that. The fact that they are hiring a dedicated liaison between DFR and the ACMC doesn't mean it's all falling apart at the seams. Hopefully it means a greater flow of information through to the enlistment coordinators who have a hard time doing their job when they're in the dark. Also doesn't help with us impatient bastards calling up every other week.

For any ADFA applicants reading. I heard your initial ASPs will be run all through April (due to extra personal requirements for the <18s). DEO will then kick back in for May.
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Old 16th Feb 2018, 02:28
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^^ Just being humorous.

But, I do think it's fair to say that it's probably best not to be in the first or second group to go through the ASP. There has been a lot of civilian hiring for the ASP over the last couple of months. I'd imagine it'd take a little while for them to get the ball rolling effectively.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 08:04
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen View Post
Uh oh... I am now officially in the first week's ASP...
Congratulations! Now the waiting is over (for you), and it also seems that ASP is well and truly up and running. Hopefully a lot more of us can get some invites soon to sit it.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 08:20
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Congratulations! Now the waiting is over (for you), and it also seems that ASP is well and truly up and running. Hopefully a lot more of us can get some invites soon to sit it.
Thanks 13Beast.

For everyone reading, don't run out to the letter box everyday checking the mail for an invite to the ASP like I did. Mine came via email from the Brisbane office, despite the fact I am from Melbourne.

I completed my Assessment day in early June 2017 and ranked in the "middle of the pool", just to give others an idea of when they might receive an offer based off the date of their Assessment days and competitiveness. This is for DEO.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 08:00
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Hi All,

For those wanting to get a gauge of the rate of distribution of offers, I completed my assessment day in early July and received an email today with an offer to attend ASP in the second half of March. If offers are being sent out based on the date of completion of assessment day, then it seems they are making good progress considering Hansfalkenhagen receiving an offer a couple of days ago and having attended assessment day about a month earlier than myself.
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