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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 9th Jan 2018, 18:19
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Originally Posted by Lambo_ View Post
Is it possible? and is it Realistic?
Possible yes. Realistic? Not so much. Given the new career model for GSO Pilots and the fact they are going to test those at RMC there is a chance. Just keep in mind by the time you get to testing you'll have completed three years of a nine year ROSO; you will be on the hook for the rest regardless. During my time at RMC no one got on a cadetship, some were in the same position as you(albeit DEO).

PM me for more. Best,
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Old 10th Jan 2018, 02:27
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Lambo.

You should know whether you were recommended or not from the FSP. If rec'd you are in a position to be looked at for pilot but you may have not been competitive enough to be offered that spot.
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Old 10th Jan 2018, 09:41
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Originally Posted by FlyingSoon View Post
Given the new career model for GSO Pilots and the fact they are going to test those at RMC
Any further info on the new career model for GSO Pilots. I have been left in the dark since my assessment day in early june last year. Also made my last phone call to DFR yesterday. They still don't know anything and couldn't comment about GSO pilot positions being tested for candidates already in the the 6 month mark at RMC.

Thanks in advance
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Old 10th Jan 2018, 09:45
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Have a look at my last few responses in this thread. In summary, testing will only be done at RMC for DEO leaving ADFA cadets as the only ones on cadetships. There will be no SSOs in future. The training shift in schools, among other issues, is having a significant impact on the continuum.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 12:51
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen View Post
There's a lot of hiring going on with seek.com.au, to hire people for different project and management roles. Seems like everything is a bit "last minute".
That doesn't sound like defence at all /s
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 04:32
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The defencejobs website has been updated recently with more information regarding the Air Academy and the ASP. Looks like offers to attend the ASP should start flowing in February.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 01:35
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I saw the updated info on the defence jobs and RAAF websites. I called my EC today to get clarification on the process for people who have been to flight screening already and she says she still doesn’t know if I need to go to ASP (even though it states that on the website). Also she couldn’t give me details regarding the May intake size. Does anyone else have additional information on either of these subjects?
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 01:59
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Everything so far including that letter from Director General Personal AF would indicate that you have to do the ASP as well.

Last time I was able to get a hold of my EC (assuming we have the same one) they were waiting for more info to filter through from the RAAF in February. In the meantime they were compiling all our files into digital form (apparently files going to the PSF were all in paper form) ready to send down to the ACMC.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 10:15
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Hey guys, I'm also a current ADF pilot applicant. I failed my initial aptitude testing however after a year of hard work I breezed through the initial aptitude and additional testing, I didn't have any certified hours however I had been flying recreational at my local flying club and was told by the recruiters that email proof of the pilots I flew with would be enough so I didn't spend any money on flights.

Consequently I had about 7.5 hours of flight time but the problem was that after I passed my assessment day, I didn't submit my form for flying hours until about 3 months later. I submitted it around June 7th last year. My high school grades were alright higher than average and I got an OP 6 in high school and started doing engineering at uni however the results at my uni were quite average as I wasn't really focusing on it as much as I was looking at it as a factor to fill time.

Anyway after my application was submitted they asked me for my uni results and I never heard anything back. My question is what could be some reasons I was not selected for flight screening? A mate of mine got an OP 14 and still got selected for flight screening but not me? I'm just trying to see what my short comings are. So I called up my recruiter and asked them to put me into this years pool of applicants for FSP.

Do you guys have any advice on what I need to do and why I wasn't selected for FSP? Do I need to get official hours through certified instructors in my log book? I'm going to be increasing my uni marks this year without a doubt so that won't be an issue. Also what are my chances of being selected if I'm being put into this years pool of selection early on?

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Old 25th Jan 2018, 09:50
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Selection for flight screening isn't(wasn't) based on your hours, it's a holistic assessment of you as a candidate. I did not submit any uni results and got through. Air time only helps demonstrate interest. They don't(didn't) even ask for proof, or at least I've never heard of them asking.
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 10:06
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Originally Posted by FlyingSoon View Post
Selection for flight screening isn't(wasn't) based on your hours, it's a holistic assessment of you as a candidate. I did not submit any uni results and got through. Air time only helps demonstrate interest. They don't(didn't) even ask for proof, or at least I've never heard of them asking.
Damn for me they asked for log books and all that. But what other reason could it have been, my medicals were fine, maybe its because i'm indian (I'm a citizen though)
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 11:22
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Also I forgot to mention, I was called up by my recuriter and asked if I wanted a sponsored trip to ADFA college in Canberra paid for by the ADF meaning paying for flights food hotels transport everything. So they spent alot of money on me clearly because they thought i was a good candidate as well as the fact that from QLD alone only about 11 were selected. So clearly I am competitive I just can't fathom why I didn't get selected, even after spending all that money on me lol. The hotel we stayed looked very expensive, it was a 4.5 star hotel lmfao, please someone give me reasoning, I am starting to lose hope.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 22:32
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Originally Posted by Akahmi View Post
Also I forgot to mention, I was called up by my recuriter and asked if I wanted a sponsored trip to ADFA college in Canberra paid for by the ADF meaning paying for flights food hotels transport everything. So they spent alot of money on me clearly because they thought i was a good candidate as well as the fact that from QLD alone only about 11 were selected. So clearly I am competitive I just can't fathom why I didn't get selected, even after spending all that money on me lol. The hotel we stayed looked very expensive, it was a 4.5 star hotel lmfao, please someone give me reasoning, I am starting to lose hope.
The dribble you're posting might give you insight on your problem.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 08:28
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Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA View Post
The dribble you're posting might give you insight on your problem.
Was just taking a little piss out of it lol, but thanks for your very helpful contribution judging my entire character based off a few words, you must be a psychologist?
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 23:52
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Originally Posted by Akahmi View Post
Also I forgot to mention, I was called up by my recuriter and asked if I wanted a sponsored trip to ADFA college in Canberra paid for by the ADF meaning paying for flights food hotels transport everything. So they spent alot of money on me clearly because they thought i was a good candidate as well as the fact that from QLD alone only about 11 were selected. So clearly I am competitive I just can't fathom why I didn't get selected, even after spending all that money on me lol. The hotel we stayed looked very expensive, it was a 4.5 star hotel lmfao, please someone give me reasoning, I am starting to lose hope.
You already got your answer from FlyingSoon, its not based on just your high school results, its a whole of character assessment.

Also; "I didn't submit my form for flying hours until about 3 months later". That obviously didn't help your case.

And further to what Junior.VH said, if you cant "fathom why" you didn't get selected, he was merely highlighting that in your posts you come across as arrogant and self-entitled, which will not help you at all during the selection process. Honest self reflection might be of value to you.

Finally, FSP no longer exists, do yourself a favour and do some research.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 02:37
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Akahmi.
You state that you submitted your hours in June. That does not mean your application was at the PSF. Also you indicated they asked for your Uni results. Two points here. First your application will not be processed until they have all the documentation they need. Secondly If your Uni results were questionable, not matter what reason, and your applying for ADFA how do you think that looks. ADFA is extremely competitive with more applicants applying for pilot than can be assessed let alone the number successfully completing FSP that do not get an offer.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 03:45
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Originally Posted by finestkind View Post
Akahmi.
You state that you submitted your hours in June. That does not mean your application was at the PSF. Also you indicated they asked for your Uni results. Two points here. First your application will not be processed until they have all the documentation they need. Secondly If your Uni results were questionable, not matter what reason, and your applying for ADFA how do you think that looks. ADFA is extremely competitive with more applicants applying for pilot than can be assessed let alone the number successfully completing FSP that do not get an offer.
Hm that's true, they said they sent it off in June to Tammsworth so they would have had my application sometime after that. I guess it's time that put the towel in and looked into commercial flying, cheers for the insight though.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 05:42
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Originally Posted by Akahmi View Post
Was just taking a little piss out of it lol, but thanks for your very helpful contribution judging my entire character based off a few words, you must be a psychologist?
What a great way to derail a great thread
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 11:13
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Akahmi, I’d like to offer a small bit of advice, in the hope that you can settle down, have some introspective thoughts, and perhaps steer your application back onto the path of success.

Firstly, you have, within a very short time frame, managed to agitate some of your fellow applicants and indeed some current and former ADF aircrew, with your manner and tone of posting. If you can achieve that, online, on an anonymous forum, in less than a week, when you are ASKING for assistance, have a think about how you might come across in other situations IN PERSON.
maybe its because i'm indian
Secondly, if you quickly come to a conclusion that your ethnicity is a barrier to your selection, then I would humbly suggest that this is more of a problem you are creating. In my experience, individuals who jump to similar conclusions find it difficult to avoid these feelings affecting their personality, and it is THIS that people will judge you on - not your ethnicity. To be fair, I suggest this as a white, Anglo male who has not faced judgement based on such concerns. I will say that in my time in the RAAF, I did not witness anyone experiencing such barriers and I sincerely hope that there are none - the ADF is actively attempting to diversify its applicant intake. Don’t allow these preconceptions to be a barrier for you.

Finally, your posts are written like you are writing a text message to a mate, which, for an old-school codger like me, is not befitting of a Military Officer.
Spelling mistakes are lazy
Tammsworth
and
I guess it’s time that put the towel in
doesn’t make sense and indicates a willingness to give up - there have been people on this thread who tried for MANY YEARS and took MANY ATTEMPTS to get into the ADF.

From the above, it would be all too easy to look at you just simply from your posts and perhaps dismiss your application with a “Well, looks like the ADF dodged a bullet here...” - prove me wrong!
Sincere good luck!

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Old 29th Jan 2018, 14:18
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Yeah I'll bite.

It's pretty simple. Your application won't be processed until it has been completed and you have supplied all of the appropriate documentation required. In the three months it took you to send in your flying hours, all your application did was gather dust on someone's desk. Meanwhile, 150 odd good quality applicants pushed in front of you for consideration.

You're competing against high calibre people for a pretty small number of positions. Hundreds of people make it further in the application process every year. How do you stand out in a pile of 400 resumes? An OP1 gathers attention, not a 6. Distinctions at uni gather attention, not simply attending. Team sports, leadership positions within organisations, a significant interest in aviation. You have to tick every box mate. You don't have to be the best at everything, but you have to be pretty bloody good. You have to sell your potential, sell your ability to dig in and slog your guts out for a few years and never give in.

I'll tell you right now, your ethnicity has nothing to do with it.

Pick your grades up, work your way into management, volunteer when you can, play team sports, show more of an interest in aviation. Be ruthless in how much you want it. If it seems a bit hard, GA and the airlines are as equally brutal. The only thing is they won't tell you straight to your face.
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