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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 17th Dec 2017, 15:04
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My nephew has been aiming for a RAAF pilot career for many years. I spent many years as a RAAF pilot and I’m now flying with Qantas. Following in my footsteps it seems.

He was given a top 25% recommendation from flight screening earlier on this year. His HSC results came out on Friday and, as expected, he got a very good result.

What he wasn’t expecting was a phone call on Friday afternoon from the Navy offering him a pilot position for next years ADFA intake. It was a “take it or leave it” offer. Giving him till 1500 Friday to give his answer. He’s never shown any interest in the Navy and is not really interested.

He was told that all the RAAF courses were full and that if he didn’t take the Navy offer he’d miss out in ADFA next year.

My many years in the RAAF have given me a healthy scepticism of recruitment so this just doesn’t ring true to me. I’d suggest all services would have been waiting for the HSC results to be released before offers could be finalised. It just sounds like the Navy trying to secure strong candidates before the RAAF makes an offer.

Anyone care to offer an insight into the process or to enlighten me what’s at play here?
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 18:10
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Raaf intakes

@isdon

I was told my EC that the 2018 courses for pilot had not been panelled yet and fsp told me that my file was with DP-AF being considered a february intake.

This is for DEO and adfa may be different. There is so much conflicting messaging its not funny.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 00:31
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Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
@isdon

I was told my EC that the 2018 courses for pilot had not been panelled yet and fsp told me that my file was with DP-AF being considered a february intake.

This is for DEO and adfa may be different. There is so much conflicting messaging its not funny.
Thanks Harry.

Lack of information seems to be a recurring theme. How can anyone make a judgement call on the next 15 years of their lives without all of the facts.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 03:05
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So i just spoke with my EC.

Raaf intakes have gone out and I missed it. 12 were gone out for Jan.

Navy can still come out in January for a FEB intakes but there will be limited spots.

At this time its either Navy or sitting ASP in march/april.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 03:30
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Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
So i just spoke with my EC.

Navy can still come out in January for a FEB intakes but there will be limited spots.

At this time its either Navy or sitting ASP in march/april.
The Navy intake is 25th January so I'd be hoping offers will be out this week rather than waiting until the new year
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 04:21
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ASP. Sorry for my ignorance but is that the new simulator assessment system that’s coming in?

I know there’s a new way but what are they going to do with everyone who’s missed out on the small number of RAAF ADFA Pilot slots available for males? Do they just go to a hold file for direct entry courses or is their whole application binned and they have to start again? Seems like a huge waste of time and money to reassess people that have already been deemed suitable.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 07:23
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FSP was the old program through BAE Systems in Tamworth.

ASP is the new program through Lockheed Martin in Sale, Vic.

Anyone who is not given an offer by the end of the year will need to sit the new ASP next year (only a 2 day program now).

I can only assume the ASP is doing this because Lockheed Martin want to only recomend candidates tested by themselves, rather than their competitor, BAE Systems.

Speculation really, but it makes sense.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 10:32
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He was told that all the RAAF courses were full and that if he didn’t take the Navy offer he’d miss out in ADFA next year.
Smells a bit suss to me too, IsDon.
Problem is, not really an easy way to find out, which is a bugger.
Got any (now) 1 or 2 star mates still in??
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 16:57
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In regards to things seeming a bit suss...

Googling anything about the ASP.. There's a lot of hiring going on with seek.com.au, to hire people for different project and management roles. Seems like everything is a bit "last minute".
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 21:28
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Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight View Post
Smells a bit suss to me too, IsDon.
Problem is, not really an easy way to find out, which is a bugger.
Got any (now) 1 or 2 star mates still in??
Yes I do actually, and I spent yesterday on the phone to various contacts.

What I can say is that the general comments here are correct.

Apparently all of the RAAF ADFA Pilot positions have been selected and my nephew wasn’t one of them. I was surprised to be told there was only 10, yes 10, RAAF ADFA Pilot positions open for males. I don’t know how big the intakes are now, in my day there we’re around 30. So 20 females, 10 males. Should make TOGA parties fun for the 10 but I despair for the future of RAAF aviation if political appointments under a social agenda trump aptitude.

I certainly wouldn’t want to be a QFI at 2FTS. Stand by for much hand wringing and naval gazing when the traditional 50% pass rate plummets to 30%. Unless politics comes into play and the standards hurdle is lowered to avoid embarrassment. From mates still instructing scrubbing a girl takes almost an act of Parliament.

As for my nephew, he’s decided to use the Navy offer as a potential back door into the RAAF. To reject the Navy offer would require him to go through the complete ASP selection process from the start. All previous aptitude testing is thrown out in favour of the new system. With any new system it may take a year or two to get right so there’s a very real possibility that he may not go as well with the new system. Service transfers are quite common these days and if he does well on pilots course there’s the very real prospect of putting on a blue uniform and going straight to fighters. Seems as if the competition won’t be as high as it should be. He may even like the Navy and elect to stay. Flying an embarked helicopter would be a hoot. My previous life included RAAF Iroquois and P3Cs among the seven RAAF types I flew. Combining the fascinating world of maritime flying with a helicopter would be very rewarding flying.

Good luck to all of those still in the pipeline. Thanks for all of your assistance and support.

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Old 19th Dec 2017, 04:23
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isdon
I'm also trying to make sense of all this. Would you happen to know if your nephew only had RAAF as a preference, or whether he had also listed Navy, but with a lower preference number eg 5 for RAAF and 1 for Navy, or something like that.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 04:53
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Originally Posted by rowdy trousers View Post
isdon
I'm also trying to make sense of all this. Would you happen to know if your nephew only had RAAF as a preference, or whether he had also listed Navy, but with a lower preference number eg 5 for RAAF and 1 for Navy, or something like that.
Hi Rowdy.

Yes I know because he asked my advice on this.

While at flight screening he was told to score his preferences 1-5. He was told that putting less than a three on any of the non preferred services could possibly earn you a black mark. I’ve since found out that was incorrect advice.

I suggested he vote with his gut, but I cautioned against putting his non preferred service too high. He preferenced as follows:

RAAF 5
RAN 4
ARMY 3 (could have been 4, he wasn’t sure what to do with this)

What I’ve found out though was that if you ranked a non preferred service low then you wouldn’t be considered for it if you missed out in your first preference.

He voted very well as it turned out.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 06:49
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Thanks Don
Looks like it may have been very wise to give Navy a 4. Thanks for the info. Would you happen to know whether the successful RAAF applicants have actually been informed, or only that the slots have been allocated, and yet to be advised?
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 07:52
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Thanks Don
Looks like it may have been very wise to give Navy a 4. Thanks for the info. Would you happen to know whether the successful RAAF applicants have actually been informed, or only that the slots have been allocated, and yet to be advised?
Not certain of that mate, sorry.
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Old 21st Dec 2017, 05:49
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Most of Defence is on stand down now. Offers would have already gone out for the various positions given SSTs start in Jan (ADFA). With regards to the Navy offer, if RAAF doesn't want him but he has a 4 down, then next dibs go to Navy. They would have been under the pump to get the spots filed before stand down hence the take it or leave it. For future reference, the only numbers you should use in your preferences is a 5, 4 or a 1.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 10:45
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The road ahead

There has been a recent article by Australian Aviation regarding the Air 5428 Pilot Training System Project. There's no major surprises in the article but it does give a good overview of what the new training system looks like for the future pilot trainee. It's a worthwhile read.

I can't post links yet so google " Australian Aviation The RAAFs quiet revolution in pilot training" and it'll show up.
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 07:18
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Unhappy Letter of Offer

Hey,
I received a letter of offer for an Army Pilot through ADFA
When i looked at the actual letter it has

Career Division: General Service Officer

and then further down it has
Function: General Service Officer
Sub Function: (nothing)

Nowhere does it mention being a pilot which i suspect may be because its only for ADFA but im not entirely sure

Is this normal for what a successful flight screening candidate would receive?
Thought i should check before signing away the next 14 years of my life.
Thanks for any and all help.
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 17:41
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What does it say your ROSO is out of curiosity?

Definitely call to get it confirmed/changed. My LOO said General Service Officer (Pilot) from memory. It's recorded against your career profile from the start. I'd wager it's the same for ADFA, I was a DEO to RMC.

Good luck,
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Old 9th Jan 2018, 11:02
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Update

ROSO is 9 years, Went in to accept it and apparently I was only offered GSO. Its all a bit confusing and im still trying to clear it up but generally the enlistment coordinator was under the impression that i failed flying but my transcript said i was competitive for Pilot position. Im going to go talk to my career counsellor and clear it up tomorrow but if im still only offered GSO i will probably take it. Does anyone have any experience or understanding of moving from GSO to GSO pilot over the course of ADFA or upon graduation? Is it possible? and is it Realistic?
Thanks for any and all help
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Old 9th Jan 2018, 11:49
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Lambo, very sensible of you to check. Make sure it is very clear as the ADF have made a bit of a habit recently of being particularly "thorough" with regard to contracts - when it suits them, anyway. Make sure it reads as it is supposed to!
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