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Old 22nd Nov 2017, 02:22
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All my information came from the mouth of an enlistment coordinator for one of the guys that I went to FSP with. According to them, they were told that offers for the next rounds of OTS should be coming out before the start of December.
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Old 22nd Nov 2017, 03:14
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Also, harrybass3, when did you sit your assessment day? Chances are you will need to sit that again if it's coming up to 12 months. I think you mentioned doing the FSP in March?
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Old 22nd Nov 2017, 06:35
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Sat my assessment day on the 27th of november. Funny that I am resitting my medical on the 27th.

I think another assessment day would not be too much of an issue.

I recall smashing my assessment day.

I just hope they dont make me resit additional testing although a mate of mine didnt have to resit it before he got in.
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Old 22nd Nov 2017, 06:54
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Sorry correction.

I sat my assessment day in August 2016.

My enlistment coordinator emailed me asking for me to come in for a medical only, on the 27th of November this year. Her email said this is so I am "good to go should I receive an offer". I think the medicals expire but not the interview.

Also, emailed FSP and they said "DF-AF are finalising their final selection for DEO pilot, and we should have some indication by early December" (word for word the email)

If the file is at DP-AF is that a good sign?
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Old 22nd Nov 2017, 09:47
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I can't really speculate on whether something is a good sign or not. However, here's to hoping you get an offer by the end of the year, so good luck.

If not, by the sounds of it you should do well at the ASP regardless.

To my knowledge the additional testing lasts three years. Assessment day medicals and the dental check last 12 months. Even if you are given an offer you will still need to resit these medicals if you reach the expiry.
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Old 5th Dec 2017, 04:30
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I take it nobody has heard anything yet?
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 02:46
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Zilch mate.

I had a chat with my enlistment coordinator. No offers, to her knowledge and she assures me she would know, have been made this side of July.

I have medicals to refresh but other than that its the waiting game. @MLED how did you know about the intake numbers btw?

I keep getting told different things regarding intake size, BFTS is backcoursed, an official document addressing the pilot shortage in the RAAF said intakes will go up to 165 per yeah.

Who knows....???
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 03:21
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Thatís the same as my enlistment coordinator has said too.

Thatís what I was told by two of the guys that I went to FSP with and they were told by their enlistment coordinators. Iím with you though that there is tons of contradicting information.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 09:02
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To give a bit of clarity

BFTS is closing up shop. The instructors are moving to Sale to convert to the PC21 and thus the courses are being stripped away from BFTS in 2018. The first Army BFTS course next year is in September, until then it is RAAF/RAN courses mainly consisting of ADFA with a few DEO courses.

HATS is opening at Nowra - the same "train the trainer" issue has seen a limited pipeline for Army pilots to go through and this has reduced the intakes.

So what: If you are in the pool it is facetious to think that the lack of candidates going into the pool means you've got an amazing chance - the courses are thinning out next year as BFTS reduces capacity.

To answer a few questions - the course intakes are panelled months in advance. It is fairly common for Army to be recruiting 6-12 months out, and everyone that went to RAAF from my intake got offers on 3-9 months notice. This gives rise to the "OTS is full" idea.

DEO Army - This links in with the "enormous pilot intake" fallacy. Army is currently having issues with the restructuring of its training pipeline. There is a skill shortfall at the QFI level meaning there is a backlog of pilots awaiting conversion. The recent RMC grad had approx 10 pilots. The next class coming through now only has 3 pilots. The so what is that Army is restructuring the training timeline and therefore there is less intake. Eventually all RMC cadets will have the option to test for Pilot as opposed to entering the College on a cadetship.

Medicals - attestation medical is completed on the day of appointment and is relatively cursory to check for any final changes. Your actual medical only lasts 12 months much like it is in service.

I am about to go on Chrissy leave so if anyone has any questions post here and I'll do my best to answer them.

Best,
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 11:43
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Rules of ASP

FlyingSoon, or anyone else for that matter, would you have any idea about the rules of the new ASP regarding waiting time between failed attempts and number of possible attempts?

At BFTS you could only attempt the flying component of the program twice in your life, and you had to wait 3 years between each attempt. If you were not recommended based on your OSB or other personal factors, they would usually give you 12 months between attempts, or another amount of time up to their discretion.

Trying to decide when to go for ASP, as I was not recommended in Feb 2017 due to my flying scores as well as my 'age and life experience'.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 20:54
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In your specific case I would hold off until you can demonstrate you meet their other criteria first. Unfortunately being in service now I am well removed from the ASP side of things and speculation won't help.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 21:55
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@flyingsoon

What are your thoughts for Raaf intake?

I was told by my enlistment coordinator that intake spots have not neen filled. This was then confirmed by flight screening that DP-AF had not finalised the ots intake.

When we speak of intakes i am referring to getting a letter of offer from RAAF/RAN.

Its hard because we keep hearing conflicting things.

I would imagine that seeing as the pilot intake on 2019 will be around 165 that 2018 would be generous to RAAF as they say in official documents they need more pilots.

Ideally, i hope they send offers for OTS soon and then we can just wait for the new OTS.

My mate got an offer for July in June. 4-6 weeks is what i heard in terms of notice period.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 02:53
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Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
I was told by my enlistment coordinator that intake spots have not neen filled. This was then confirmed by flight screening that DP-AF had not finalised the ots intake.
I'd go off that. The only problem is courses are being thinned out next year as staff move down to Sale and get QFI on the PC21 which is why courses are being thinned next year.

Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
Its hard because we keep hearing conflicting things.
This is part of the game, and it is going to be a frequent feature of your career, especially whilst in a training environment

Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
I would imagine that seeing as the pilot intake on 2019 will be around 165 that 2018 would be generous to RAAF as they say in official documents they need more pilots.
As above, I would not be too hopeful for a large intake next year given the movement to Sale. Once this has completed I imagine it would pick back up. Keep in mind the new screening is going to qualify a larger amount of pers for the job so it will only become more competitive.

Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
Ideally, i hope they send offers for OTS soon and then we can just wait for the new OTS.

My mate got an offer for July in June. 4-6 weeks is what i heard in terms of notice period.
Courses are usually booked a while in advance but numbers change which is where you get the late notices from. Notice varies. The best thing to do is keep regular contact with your EC and ensure you ask specific questions about the next course dates, if they have been panelled yet and if the offers are out.
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 13:55
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The new Aviation Officer career plan consists of only GSO pilots. The idea is that no one will be able to test before entering RMC. Testing will be conducted approx six months in and open to anyone at RMC who meets the specialist medical requirements. The exact implementation of this is still unknown. Last I heard ADFA were still filling cadetship due to the further extension of their training pipeline. There is still two years of ADFA av cadets yet to come through the college. I have no idea what the recruiting picture looks like at this stage.

There are still a number of pilots in the pipeline both on conversion and awaiting either basic or rotary qualification. I would not bank on the amount of pilots Army will need at any given time especially in this timeframe. At the moment we have the ARH issues & mid life, MRHs soon to start to go to 6AVN, EC at HATS and the Chook acquisition. It's simply too hard to pick.

It takes longer for Army to acquire aircraft at the moment than to train pilots so I wouldn't concern yourself about a war scenario

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Old 16th Dec 2017, 15:37
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MRHs soon to start to go to 6AVN
Does this mean that the bulk of Army aviation (besides the Tigers in NT) will be moving away from Townsville? Being 6AVN I'm assuming most pilots (stationed in Townsville) will be moving to Holsworthy Barracks close to Sydney?

Also, further to my question in my last post.... If a prospective Army Pilot gets an offer for a July 2018 intake, it would take 18 months for officer training followed by another 12 months fixed wing (BTFS) and rotory training (HATS) before commencing the final 6 months of your helicopter specific type conversion... so, my thinking is that would take an pilot cadet to 2021 before commencing their type conversion. Surely by that point the "back log" of current Army pilots awaiting conversion would have finished, and new pilots would be needed to commence their conversion??

I know it's difficult to speculate on this, but the timeline for a proespective applicant to initiially apply and then finaly finish training and "get their wings" in the Army is still a 3-4 year process. I would have thought the Army would still be recruiting in advance rather than turning the tap off completely.
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 00:13
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Hans, I wouldn't put all your eggs in one basket. If I learnt anything in my time dealing with DFR, it was that anything can happen at anytime and if you want to be a pilot it pays to have all options open.

No, we are not moving MRH from TVL, we are moving 6AVN off Blackhawk over the next few years. It's a change that is being resisted so wait out on how long that takes.

I'd imagine the lower intakes at the moment would lower the backlog but as above there are still two years of ADFA cadets coming over on cadetship. I'd wager it would be smoothed out by that point yes. The Army has not quite turned the tap off.
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 00:27
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Thanks for the info. With that being said, would you think it's fair to argue that they won't put new candidates through RMC until the backlog is finished.. So essentially a two year waiting list to enlist?
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 02:46
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I couldn't say with any degree of certainty. I think they won't recruit direct entry, if they have spots they'll fill by testing pers in II Class at RMC
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 05:40
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But what about RAAF?!

Surley they have intakes?
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 07:52
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But what about RAAF?!

Surley they have intakes?
According to the DFR website, RAAF and Navy are doing a lot of hiring once they put everyone through the new ASP in Sale next year. Further to this, all of the new RAAF aircraft acquisitions coming soon is a pretty clear indication for high recruitment levels over the next few years. Don't stress. Army closed up in early June (the day after my assessment day).
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