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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 24th Oct 2016, 09:22
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Hello everyone, this is my first post thank you for all the info you guys have shared it's an amazing thread! Quick question; is there any calculus involved in the OSB or in the FSP? Thank you and would you know if there is any once you're admitted into the RAAF? Thanks, Luke
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 00:31
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Staffydog,

Just want to clarify. When you mentioned December release for offers are you referring to;

1. FSP placement spots or job offers?
2. DEO or ADFA?

Things i've heard/speculated about RAAF offers for FEB/MAR 2017
1. Released in the last week of October (DFR to a coursemate)
2. "We have no idea when offers will be released. As soon as we hear anything we will let you know" (Case manager)
3. 2009-Present shows them being released from 11th NOV - 2 DEC (this thread)

Don't have much info on pool numbers at the moment prior to FSP. I would assume they are increasing though as DEO course frequency drops off towards the end of the year. In saying that though there is a heap of them at the beginning of the year so you never know. Good luck

Luke22, SDT and single digit by double digit multiplication/division.

Forever fishing for information about DEO RAAF,

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Old 25th Oct 2016, 01:16
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JBWings,


Apologies, re-reading my comment I was a little unclear. I was specifically referring to DEO spots for Flight Screening. I am also going for Army so it may be different for the other services. From my understanding of the conversation I had, all spots for this year have been filled (unsurprising as the last DEO FSP kicks off very soon) and the offers for the first rounds of flight screening next year will go out in early December. I am not sure if this is specific to Army or for all three services and I am only going off what I was told over the phone. I don't have any other information, sources or evidence to confirm it either way.
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 04:24
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Long story short - I had a RAAF pilot offer signed and ready to start June last year but was made Class 4 from avmed due to [email protected] eye surgery. Appealed and lost. Granted a waiver about two months ago. Had to resit additional testing and my Assessment Day last week as they had all expired. Booked in to redo all the medicals as well (dentist/opthalmologist/bloods). Good news is FSP CO confirmed after my Assessment Day I won't have to resit Flight screening or the OSB and file will go straight back into job pool hopefully for another offer.
So moral of my story is - I spoke to FSP this morning - was advised job offers won't be sent out (for RAAF at least) until the final DEO screenings are complete and have been graded. They indicated early December for this. The CO who approved me not having to resit OSB and screening is the same person who determines the offers that are made (for RAAF) so hopefully fairly accurate.
Although that being said - My initial offer for RAAF pilot was received in October 2014 for a start in June 2015.
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 06:49
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Boltyy,

That sounds so rough on you; from experience, getting that Class 4 letter is heartbreaking and it's so average that AvMed balked at your file so late in the piece. Good news re: resitting OSB - it seems your update is as good as any of us have had this end of the year. It also follows the logic that they'd wait to see if there are any diamonds late in the year.

I've heard some nasty rumours about aviation in the ADF effectively downsizing in the (near?) future which makes me nervous.

Hanging in there,
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 08:09
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OSB Componant of FSP

Hi All,

I just have a question which so far I have trouble getting a specific answer to through my research.

Going through the selection process for a pilot with the ADF it has been drilled in that you are applying for officer first, pilot second.

I'm aware that an officers role is to lead, mentor, make decisions etc etc however what does this look like specifically? What is the role of an officer on a day to day basis, who exactly are you leading, what are your responsibilities to the ones you lead and how much involvement do you have in planning/discipline/decisions being made?

I understand that this differs depending on your time in the role, the aircraft type you fly and the purpose of your missions but some examples or specifics would be of great help.


Thanks in advance, Jen
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 09:53
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You don't really want the true answer, it's pretty heart breaking. Officer first; pilot fourth or fifth.
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 10:01
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Originally Posted by ryano View Post
You don't really want the true answer, it's pretty heart breaking. Officer first; pilot fourth or fifth.
Hi Ryano,

What's your take on it? The true answer is exactly what I am after.

Cheers, Jen
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 11:45
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Jen,
Depends on a number of factors. Service and aircraft type being the big ones. I can talk to the RAAF only and the answer is you are a Pilot first and an "Officer" second (In my opinion). What I mean by that is when you first arrive at the SQN as a junior PLTOFF/FLGOFF your job is to fly, you will have basically no leadership role. As you progress through your career you will get more and more responsibility. Starting with progressing through as a Captain in your first tour on heavies or progressing as a 2 ship and then 4 ship lead on Fighters. The leadership role is not in it's typical sense though, as a Captain/2 or 4 ship lead you will make airborne decisions and direct other crew/formation members but that tis about the extent of it.
After ~10 years in you will look at promotion to SQNLDR where you will pick up a flight commander then XO gig, this is where the leadership role in its typical sense begins.
As far as other Officer related duties go there is a few that you will always be doing, promotion courses etc.

The above is the truth of it but I would suggest that recruiting would like to hear you say that you are willing to take on the role of an officer etc. etc. I.e Officer first, Pilot second.

Hope this helps, good luck everyone.
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 12:03
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See my post 3105 in this thread for more info.

You don't really want the true answer, it's pretty heart breaking. Officer first; pilot fourth or fifth.
That was not my experience, which was RAAF, but maybe is the case in the Army??
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 12:19
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Thanks H-Dog,

I am heading up to FSP on Saturday and this was one question which has continually gone round in my head as to how much 'officer' responsibility can they give you as PLT/FLG OFF fresh out of training (and for the first couple of years also) and what those responisbitlies actually are.
I have spoken to a couple of relatively new RAAF pilots along the way who were very helpful but only thought about this specific question after the fact.

JFW - I am going to look into your previous post now

Last edited by Jenn2205; 27th Oct 2016 at 12:23. Reason: New reply on forum answered question
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Old 31st Oct 2016, 02:21
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To anyone waiting on an Army offer. Word is offers were meant to be out late October but have been delayed for some reason but will be out within the next week or so.
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Old 2nd Nov 2016, 16:12
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Quick question - Anyone know the oldest person in recent years to have gotten a pilot seat with no previous flying experience?

I'm pushing 28 and would like to know if there have been others that have broken through that late.
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Old 2nd Nov 2016, 21:29
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Hey Septerra - some people who made it through my recent FSP course were a lot older than you. I doubt it will be a problem.
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Old 2nd Nov 2016, 22:46
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Septerra,

I did flight screening in August and there was a guy on BFTS (RAAF) and he was in his 30s or 40s? I'm not sure what his story was and whether or not he had a flying background but I imagine you'd have to be quality enough to be worth their while.

As they say, age ain't nothing but a number.
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 10:29
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I've heard some nasty rumours about aviation in the ADF effectively downsizing in the (near?) future which makes me nervous.
That rumour is completely off Aviation is only getting bigger, especially in the RAAF with the new platforms coming in.
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 22:20
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I agree that it's counter intuitive given the new aircraft but allegedly it's due to a decrease in the number of hours expected to be flown.

I'm not sure if this is because our involvement in overseas Ops is winding down or the maintenance:flying hours ratio with the new airframes or the greater involvement of sims as a substitute for actual hours or a combination of all of them.

I can't take the rumour any further than saying it came from a guy who told he was slated for an SSO offer but then subsequently told it was going to be withdrawn due to the powers that be shutting down SSO completely; as part of that conversation it appeared that the shutdown was going to extend beyond SSO/Army.
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 23:05
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TILA - I understand from a similar source that a back log of Army pilots in the training pipeline is why SSO has been canned for the foreseeable future.
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Old 9th Nov 2016, 22:22
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nrs108,

Did Ash get that story as well then? Do you know who got distributed out of your group?
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Old 9th Nov 2016, 22:54
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What about Aviation Cadetships for GSOs? Are they still in place?
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