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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 9th Nov 2014, 21:35
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Delta, I'm not a medical examiner but I'd expect rules are rules. The rules for 163cm are there for a reason.
I'd try and bulk up, see if a workout diet helps grow a bit
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Old 10th Nov 2014, 10:59
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Mathematic Course

Hi guys,

sorry for being slightly of topic.

I did year 12 in Victoria and only studied further mathematics(basic). I called DFR and was told they do not recommend any bridging courses to meet the maths requirement to become a pilot. Does anyone have any courses they would recommend that is equivalent to Unis 3/4 VCE maths methods?

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Old 11th Nov 2014, 06:58
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Originally Posted by CAVOK92
Hi guys,

sorry for being slightly of topic.

I did year 12 in Victoria and only studied further mathematics(basic). I called DFR and was told they do not recommend any bridging courses to meet the maths requirement to become a pilot. Does anyone have any courses they would recommend that is equivalent to Unis 3/4 VCE maths methods?

I found this bridging course quite good, and I was able to get someone from VTAC to sign it off as equivalent (you'll need to provide a letter with a letterhead from someone appropriate to say that it is).. and it was also all online which was handy for my timetable:

Fundamentals of Mathematics
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 22:54
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Flight Screening

Hi guys,

I am booked for the 7th-20th of december flight screening. And I was wondering if anyone has some tips for preparation? I have bought the 'wings' book and the ADF mentors pilot book (which are both being very helpful ), but what should I be brushing up on? like do I need to know cockpit layouts or start up procedures or anything else?
I am working on my fitness and broadening my knowledge of the defence force and the job as well as ADFA but what should I also be focusing on?


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Old 16th Nov 2014, 22:16
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Hey Salamor,

Those two books are a good start but don't limit your study to just them. Make sure you have a solid understanding of why you want to be a military pilot - broad statements like "I've wanted to be a pilot since I was a kid..." will not get you across the line (not implying you'd use that, but many people do). You'll need to know what the career of a military pilot entails - I found talking to in service pilots a great insight, whether that be on this forum, out on base visits or even up at Tamworth during Flight Screening - they know exactly what the training demands and can really help you to form an accurate picture.

Make sure you know at least a little bit about all of the aircraft in the ADF (current and future) and a lot about the aircraft you wish to fly (1st choice and 2nd - they will ask...). Have some leadership and military/aviation motivation examples you can give from your life - even if there are none that stand out, many experiences can be shaped in the retelling to demonstrate how you took the lead and made the hard decisions...

Make sure you arrive every day at the crew room with a positive attitude ready to hook in 100%. The time up there is slightly pressured by nature, but it's important that you demonstrate you're enjoying the process - smile and don't be intimidated by the Defence personnel, they were in your position once - have a chat with them if the situation allows Also, don't play boardgames (there are many scattered in the BFTS crew room) - use your time to study! Playing games implies you know the material back to front (it's great if you do, just make sure your flying reflects this... you are always being watched...).

Additionally, work together with your fellow Flight Screeners!! I cannot stress this point enough. You will inevitably form strong friendships with the girls and guys on your course - you're all going through a unique and challenging process - but it's amazing how fun it can be when you're all helping one another out and overcoming those hurdles together!

Finally, don't worry about studying checks or cockpit layouts. They are not assessing your ability to fly. They are assessing your ability to learn. It's a strange concept, but they aren't necessarily looking for aces, more so people that can show consistent improvement when learning a new skill.

All the best!!
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Old 4th Dec 2014, 12:25
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Advice on flight screening

Hi guys,

I am currently finishing year 10 at high school and I have aspirations to be a pilot in the RAAF, I am asking about how the flight screening program works between the basic and advanced courses and on how people are ranked within them?

I am keen to give gliding a go but a bit unsure at powered flying (costs) and the benefits that previous flying experience will have on helping me get through the processes. If it means anything I want to go through adfa after I finish year 12.

The ADFR website wont let me apply yet as I am still 15 but in FEB when I turn 16 I will definitely apply.

Best regards
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Old 5th Dec 2014, 05:36
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Hi all

I had my assessment session for DE Pilot on Monday and have been recommended for flight screening. I was just wondering if anyone who had been to flight screening had any advice on the best way to prepare?


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Old 15th Dec 2014, 04:02
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Rhino6 - sorry i just have to do it. This entire forum, whilst dedicated to flight screening, is riddled with both the 'what' and advice on the 'how' of the entire RAAF pilot process. Have a read - the answers will already be there. Spend some time looking through and then by all means ask questions if still required.
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Old 17th Dec 2014, 05:22
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RAAF Assessment session medical

Hey guys,

I have read this forum until my eyes feel like bleeding and have found some fantastic information. I have recently completed the assessment session and thought I would share my two cents worth. Things went very well until at the end of the day I had to see the medical examiners. This started off with discussing the medical history questionnaire in which you complete at your YOU session. And as of two years ago I had glandular fever. When asked about it, I told the doctor I had it roughly over a year ago.

She immediately typed this down and proceeded to tell me this would be an issue and I may be deemed class 4 (permanently unfit). After realising the ramifications of what I had said, I suitably thought a little harder about how long I had been symptom free - this was exactly 1 year and ten months. But what I said first was taken as cold hard truth and has taken precedence over my official medical history at my local surgery. Luckily, I only have to wait another 5 months until I can proceed to go into the pool for flight screening (a magic number the doctor thought suited). So moral of the story, don't be unprepared like me and not know exact times that you have had any serious sicknesses in the past, because that seemingly harmless conversation could end your career before it even starts.


Also, what happened to hornet boy?!
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Old 22nd Dec 2014, 08:35
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hamish757, Think about joining the Air Training Corps. the RAAF likes to see your early interest in flight. I believe 3 yrs in the ATC helped my 1962 RAAF DE selection.
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Old 23rd Dec 2014, 08:29
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How old is too old for Air Combat Officer -WSO (F18f back seat nav) realistically to start?

And also for any pilot role?

Would be good to hear from those completing/completed flight screening if there were any 30+ guys on it in the mix.
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Old 27th Dec 2014, 23:59
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thanks for the reply I'll consider that.
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Old 28th Dec 2014, 00:05
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Air training


It's a shame though as I am already in my schools Cadet corps and there are restrictions on joining others if you're already participating (I'm in the army cadets).

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Old 1st Jan 2015, 00:32
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I am asking about how the flight screening program works between the basic and advanced courses and on how people are ranked within them?
You're grouped into one of three levels based on your "residual" flying experience. The documentation explains how this all will work(as well as this thread). Basically the three courses have slightly different syllabi that assume a different starting point. This will all be sorted by PSA from the hours you declare on your sheet, so be honest. As MajesticCasual said, the assessment is not of your flying ability, but rather of your learning ability.

I am keen to give gliding a go but a bit unsure at powered flying (costs) and the benefits that previous flying experience will have on helping me get through the processes.
Everyone in this thread makes different claims here. In my personal opinion, having two hours in the air before heading to Tamworth was very helpful. This also helps to demonstrate some motivation. Gliding experience is counted as half time because it is naturally different to powered flight. I would suggest if you are keen to do it, give gliding a go at the very least.

The previous flight experience will help develop your control skills of an aircraft and build up some instincts on how to "feel" what the aircraft is doing. You'll find the intensive two weeks at FSP will develop these skills markedly.

If it means anything I want to go through adfa after I finish year 12.
ADFA entrants are usually coursed with other ADFA entrants. If you're finishing Year 10 now, you'll want to start your application process at the end of this year so you can go on Flight Screening during a holiday in Year 12. Be mindful that this will be difficult and affect your study, so be prepared.

If you have any questions about the application process, I am all ears. Naturally those who have been on Flight Screening will be tight lipped over the assessment and OSB elements, but everything else is fair game. the guys over at ausmilitary forums have fantastic threads about the application process too. I highly suggest you give them a read.
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Old 1st Jan 2015, 00:35
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I wouldn't say you're too old, there were guys at BFTS in their 30s for Air Force and Army while we were on Flight Screening. Give it a crack and see how it pans out.
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 12:29
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Hey Flyingsoon,

Thanks for your reply. I will definitely take up some gliding lessons and give it a go. I feel like there's something about gliding that makes it seem really interesting. From reading about gliding, I think it gives you better control of the aircraft because of the finer inputs required when there isn't an engine and hence I feel like it will actually help me more anyways apart from being a lot of fun.

Thanks for the reply.
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Old 9th Jan 2015, 00:26
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Originally Posted by ojscott
Hi, im sure this question is in here many times but the thread is huge.

What should I be studying for for the specialist testing (pilot) which comes after the YOU session?

Test in a couple of weeks, mainly worried about the maths component. Have not done maths for 7 years - since school.
From what I remember a lot of the questions were time based. If you're worried about maths, my recommendation would be to practice your basic arithmetic (focus on times tables) and approximation skills. Aside from that, my memory is that you need to be able to read and interpret information (gauges) quickly and also conceptualise aircraft orientation. I'm not sure if theres much prep you can do for the latter of these.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 22:01
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Hi Taylor

Suggest your contact case manager and confirm your application has been sent to PSA.
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 12:47
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To be honest I would not recommend it for the cost. The aircraft they will put you in (a Robin) is not a Constant Speed Unit governed aircraft like the CT4B. I would instead recommend getting General Flying lessons from other reputable pilot training organisations, or not at all.

I went in to Flight Screening with very little flying experience (1 sortie) and found that the learning curve is designed so that you are catered for if you have 0 flight experience. The experience of lesson 1 of the CRAM helped me gain an understanding of the aircraft's operation, however it is not worth the cost and provided very little benefit other than the ability to demonstrate motivation.
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 13:57
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Thanks All

Hi, new to this forum and want to say thanks to everyone who has contributed here. It's a lot to read through but there seems to be plenty of gold in them there hills.

I'm 25, ex-Army. I was unfortunately medically discharged, unfit for infantry due to persistent shin-splints...followed by a period of being diagnosed with depression after having to leave the ADF.

Did quite well back at my YOU session and had all jobs available for application, however I had done General Maths not 2-unit so I thought aviation was off the table (didn't realise I could do bridging courses etc), anyhow it seemed like a dream only fit for those greater than I. Army it was. Set my sights and got on a good course. All was well until it wasn't.

Looking back, as one sometimes does, I have regretted not chasing the dream to fly, as well as questioning the sense in not choosing a role that was potentially more suited to my attributes. (I'm 170cm, 70kg, and apparently somewhat flat footed, but with a good general fitness, focus and a love for learning)

Not wanting to live life wondering, I am going to see if there is any way that I can convince a board to let me in to show what I can learn and do.
Either way at least there may be some closure and I will have tried.

I see my hurdles as:
Medical history:
Physical component - Must determine suitability based on past injury and current status. Pack marching ability / Orthodics may not be such a big issue for aircrew.
Mental component - Must determine what they consider my current status and how long to have gone on fine without medication etc for.

Age - I realise that this window may close on me before I can get cleared for the above issues, depending on how harsh the AvMed Class 1 timeline requirements are.

Education - I will enrol in a qualifying bridging course AERONAUTICAL MATHEMATICS,Mathematics Bridging,Maths Bridging,Physics Bridging,HSC Mathematics,HSC Physics | Aeroscience
(This one looks ok I believe)

In summary, this is a statement of my intention to get back to what I have always felt was right, performing effective service in the ADF.
If there is anyone who can shine a light for me on any of the above points in particular, it would be much appreciated.
Information regarding if I would be uncompetitive on entry or unable to serve in certain capacities would be especially useful. I shall continue reading and searching these forums in the meantime, and pursuing other avenues for direct sources of information.

Regardless, I appreciate your tolerance of the above brain-dump, it feels good to have said it all out loud, so to speak.

Take care, take risks.
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