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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 8th Jul 2014, 09:21
  #2741 (permalink)  
Join Date: Oct 2013
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Originally Posted by showaard
Hi Guys.

Had my assessment day yesterday and was recommended. Need to sort out a few medical issues before my file can be sent away to PSA.

Quick question for anyone who went through with some experience: On the aircrew selection preference form, did you put down any simulator or copilot time under your previous flying hours?

Also, does anyone know when the FSP dates will be up on the website for the 2014/15 FY?

Well done on getting recommended!

I myself didn't put down my sim time, but I guess it's up to you. If it was the difference between going from the Basic to Intermediate course, I wouldn't bother.

In regards to FSP dates going up, no idea, however I assume it wouldn't be hard to work out the dates based on previous schedules.
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Old 12th Jul 2014, 14:06
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All the best for you, hope you have success! Congrats on your upcoming citizenship. You sound eager and keen (as most do here) and I'm sure you'll be a welcome member of the ADF. Cheers.
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 10:09
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RAAF pilot

Your age is starting to become a consideration. There is a lot of info on this thread. I suggest you give a lot of thought to the suggestions re tests etc.
The RAAF has more difficulty filling some of the non-pilot positions so they will probably offer you a position related to your IT experience. To counter any non-pilot offer, you may need to have a good reason for them to offer pilot training. One could be that you are interested in eventually instructor flying of drones. If that is the way in, think about it in advance. That would mean about 15 months to get your wings, 3 years on Orions or similar, instructor course perhaps 6 months. Then a couple of years of basic instructing. By that time the RAAF will probably have their own new drones.
Fast jet pilots are reluctantly operating drones. That is your passport, but they will never forget your interest in drones!! I doubt that they would ever put you on fighters.
Read the linked in profile of Jonathan McMullan who is the CO of the drone flight at Amberley. Also search on the internet for his comments at a recent seminar at the Gold Coast.
If you couldn't stand drone operating, try to find another good reason why you must only join as a pilot.
The main thing is to succeed and survive as a RAAF pilot. I joined in 1963. Of the 36 starters, 12 graduated. Within a year two died in aircraft accidents.
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Old 18th Jul 2014, 12:31
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RAAF Pilot

Slow down a bit. A somewhat more measured approach should be considered. You can show an early interest in aviation without seeming desparate! Remember, you are also going to be an officer.
Work out your preferences in order, eg RAAF pilot, Navy pilot, Army pilot, then work out your non pilot aircrew list. If you don't know the order of your preferences, you won't know how to ask them to re-consider when they suggest you start off as a guard and apply for pilot training later.
Many of my navigators first applied for pilot positions and only a few got pilot training years later. Very few Stores Clerks made pilot, though I do know one.
Take care though. If you fail the course, the RAAF has traditionally offered a discharge. The navy and army might not be like that. You should previously research your alternatives. At my interview in 1962, they asked if I would consider Nav if they couldn't offer pilot training. I simply said no. Reason: pilot should have a measure of control of the situation. Check the first "principle of war" to see what I mean.
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Old 22nd Jul 2014, 07:14
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Army Sitting Height

Hi everyone, I recently applied for army pilot and was only knocked back becuase of my sitting height being more than 94cm. Apparently you can have this waivered.

Does anyone know of the absolute sitting height limits for army? Has anyone had success with this before?

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Old 22nd Jul 2014, 08:44
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Originally Posted by gttg
Hi everyone, I recently applied for army pilot and was only knocked back becuase of my sitting height being more than 94cm. Apparently you can have this waivered.

Does anyone know of the absolute sitting height limits for army? Has anyone had success with this before?

I have a sitting height of 97 cm, and while at FSP I was told that if my flying was good enough this would be a non issue if I wanted to indicate Army as a preference. I didn't make it through and so this obviously isn't something that I've seen happen, so take it with a grain of salt! My understanding is that it is flexible, though.
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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 13:05
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Originally Posted by Taimoor Changezi
I spoke to two of my RAAF friends who are Aeronautical engineers, if i could transfer at a later stage from non commissioned to commissioned officer. And they said it's possible(even the DFR Sargent said it was possible). So, at least i still have a chance to become an officer in RAAF. They suggested that i join as AEA and work for a few years, get airborne experience and then apply to transfer from AEA to ACO (cause the role is almost similar to ACO). What do you think, should i go for AEA and is there any chance for me to transfer to Officer from AEA? Sir, i really need your help here!!!
Put it this way, on the course before my FSP there was 2 current enlisted guys, on my FSP course there was also another 2 current enlisted and also in the course starting when I left there was 2. From memory they were all RAAF, and in their mid to late 20's (I think one fella was early 30's).

If you are competiteve in the future, I am sure you can get a spot from PSA (Although unless you show considerate improvement from your YOU session aptitude tests, I am not sure how they will treat you).

Good luck.
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Old 25th Jul 2014, 05:44
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AEA is probably the best kept secret in the ADF.

Great pay (better than pilots for the first seven years), relatively easy job and plenty of deployment opportunities.

There have been a number of AEAs transfer to pilot and done so quite successfully. Age may become a factor down the road, but it is better to get in and start a career rather than wait for one that doesn't materialize.

AEAs join as a SGT. Commissioning requires jumping through all the same hoops you would have to coming off the street. Only difference is you will have proven yourself in the military and aircrew environment.
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Old 25th Jul 2014, 06:10
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Hi all, I know this is slightly off topic but would anyone know where I could get a copy of the PAARM? (Professional ADF Aviators Reference Manual)
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Old 28th Jul 2014, 01:40
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Hi Superone

I'm going down to the FSP starting august 3rd. Is that the same as yours?

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Old 28th Jul 2014, 12:25
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see you there... PM sent
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Old 31st Jul 2014, 05:07
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RAAF Pilot

The first principle of war is selection and maintenance of the aim. You must decide exactly what you want and do everything possible to achieve this. Part of this might be to decide on an all or nothing approach. An AEA NCO is not exactly a commissioned officer and pilot.
My understanding in 1962 was that it was more certain to be a RAAF pilot from day one, rather than hope for it later. I held this belief during the 8.5 years of my service and my subsequent airline career.
If you cannot hold true to your dream, you will be less deserving of RAAF pilot wings.
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Old 1st Aug 2014, 02:09
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30th Aug Flight Screening

First of thankyou Dan Smith for the reply, I will definitely be hitting you up for some tips for flight screening. I just got called up for the Aug 30th FSP so if anyone else on here is also in that slot, let us know ) I'll just briefly talk about a few of the not so much talked about aspects of the pilot application process some of you guyz might be going/to go through. First: I was listed as medical 3R after my DI. Failed the spirometry and the blood pressure test. Upon consultation with specialist and doctor I was listed as fine, in fact they were surprised that I failed. For the spirometry they did not explain what to do properly so I just blew in normally. Don't. Blow like your life depends on it and more, also relax your muscles (let out your gut). Before the medicals I suggest practice blowing into balloons, also eat foods such as dark chocolate to reduce blood pressure jic.
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Old 1st Aug 2014, 02:24
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Also to note after I handed in my medicals it took three months and four different enlistment co-ordinators (EC) to send the application through to the PSA. Each time I called within those 3 months they were surprised they had not sent it, even though they told me each time prior that they had sent it through. After it was really sent, the PSA took just 3 weeks to give me a date. So my other advice to those still waiting on FSP, keep calling your EC for updates and if they say they sent it, call em up again and again to make sure. Good people, always nice and accommodating, but very-overworked I think. Just be persistent.
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Old 2nd Aug 2014, 09:14
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Hi PPRuNe,

I'm new here and thought I'd introduce myself. My name is Lachlan and I've been lurking ... I mean, following this RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged) thread for some time now. There is a veritable wealth of information contained here that has already answered many of my questions. To that end, I'd like to offer a big thank you to all the contributors who have given of their time and expertise to help everyone out. It's really appreciated!

I'm in my late twenties and am giving serious consideration to embarking on a new career as a Direct Entry RAAF Pilot. After spending the past 10+ years working various office-based roles, studying for university degrees, gathering life experiences and understanding more about what makes me tick, I believe this would be a huge step in the right direction. I'm currently working in the Advertising industry and it's nigh time for a change.

What draws me to this career is:

- Operating airborne vehicles many dream about;
- Receiving extensive world-class training and support;
- Being part of something bigger in a like-minded team;
- Learning a professional skill used and respected the world over;
- Making a tangible contribution to peoples lives (e.g. humanitarian missions); and
- Being in a predominantly non-office based environment.

I'm at the start of this new journey and am ready for the lengthy and challenging road ahead. There are, however, a few potential hurdles to overcome:

a) No flying experience;
b) Past the preferred 27.5 age requirement;
c) Untested dead reckoning and motor skills; and
d) Mild myopia (short sightedness) of -3.25.

Walk in the park, huh! The last two concern me most and stopped me pursuing this career post high school. Thankfully, I found this thread and have been again motivated to investigate all possibilities, ready for the numerous challenges ahead.

I'll definitely be in need of some advice with questions forthcoming soon, but for now I'll keep gathering the available information and check in when I hit a wall.

Thanks in advance and keep up the stellar work.

Lachlan (and all its variations ... I love them all!)
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Old 3rd Aug 2014, 03:40
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Hi All,

Long time reader, great information on here most if it first hand which is always the best info.

Just wondering if anyone can provide some feedback. I recently got through my extra pilot testing after my you session (3rd time lucky). Have been recommended from my assessment day and have handed in extra medical info which I have been cleared for.

I have 50 hours flying time which puts me into the advanced category for FSP. I haven't flown for over three years now.

Does anyone have an info on how this changes how I will be assessed at Tamworth and any tips as to what to prepare for in particular being part of the advanced section.

Cheers Guys
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Old 4th Aug 2014, 05:30
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Hi Jimmy,

As one of the guys said a few pages back, the only thing that differs between the three courses (basic, int and adv) is that they have different amounts of sorties(so basically as advanced you are expected to learn the stuff quicker than those with less experience). You also need to do a few more things as advanced (from memory I think low level ccts and glide approaches). If I recall correctly, advanced candidates also have to do a stall turn (which is usually the unbriefed aerobatic maneuver for basic and intermediate in the last "check/assessment" flight [some guys on my course had to do a half Cuban eight instead).

You can also use your flight experience as an advantage on your OSB, saying it shows your motivated with flying etc etc

Just make sure you go in with a clear mind, and don't lean back on old habits you may have from your previous flying experience. Make sure you attitude fly and not performance fly.... Oh and don't go to the imperial on the middle weekend
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Old 4th Aug 2014, 13:45
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Hi Lachlan,

Good luck with your application. It can be a long process at times but stay focused! Make sure you get started ASAP on your application process as age for RAAF can become an issue as they are screening for fast jet pilots as a priority at this stage. It would also be highly beneficial to score as high as possible in your specialist skills assessment obviously. Keep an open mind about navy and army flying as well as the assessment process is for general ADF pilot entry. I changed my preferences at the beginning of my OSB in Tamworth so don't write those off as options. A lot of the slightly older guys seem to get army SSO, I think one guy in my FSP was 32 and he got into army.

@Pilot Jimmy,

I went in with about 70 hours but hadn't logged one for about 2 years. They have a way of working out what your residual experience is based on the time since you last flew. I ended up on the intermediate course so I'd say you would be the same. I had one less flight that Basic and one more that advanced and was doing things a couple lessons ahead of the basic guys. Definitely focus on attitude flying and really forget about the instruments in terms of angle of bank, straight and level etc and treat things as if you are starting from 0 hours again to some extent. Don't try and use what you previously have learnt because they have their own way of instructing. It's kind of like monkey see monkey where the instructor will show you and then get you to follow it through with them then you try it.

I didn't practice anything else in regards to prep for the intermediate flying, you have a lot of study time and you will be given the flight briefs there so don't stress about flight prep, focus on what you can study for now which is the OSB as you will find you won't have much time to work on that.

Above all else work as a team and have fun, it's a great experience.
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 11:15
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Join Date: May 2014
Location: Australia
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Hey everyone, I just got accepted into the September 6th PSA FSP session and was wondering if anyone else is headed for that session and if anyone has any advice. Thanks
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 07:54
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I am on the Aug 30th to sept 13th screen, will see you there Congratz
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