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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 29th Oct 2013, 00:20
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Hi flying_chops, I will be at FSP on the 3rd of November!

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Old 29th Oct 2013, 12:13
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flight screening

Is anyone following this thread current or ex serving in the enlisted ranks and applying to the EOI released last week for transfer to PLT? Or is anyone here enlisted and already have a spot at flight screening?
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Old 15th Nov 2013, 21:06
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General advice?

G'day all!

Just had a read through the thread, and boy, are my arms tired!

....okay, that one just doesnt work at all. Im tired, so sue me.

Anyway, I wanted to check out if anyone had advice on a few topics, getting a base visit to Pearce and recommended WACE subjects to take.

I never did year 12, so I am doing a full year WACE course at Tuart College (which I presume will have to be accepted by DFR, given that it is exactly the same curriculum as year 12). I was wondering if anyone can recommend 3A/B over 3C/D, and if so, why? I'd prefer to hear from QFI's or recent students, but seeing as this is after all a public board, I can hardly prevent others from airing their opinions.

Back to the prior topic, does anyone know how difficult/unlikely it is to get a base visit? At least one forumite has responded that it is almost impossible prior to FSP, but my application is in limbo due to med class 4 and the education requirements (childhood asthma... gotta love AVMED).

Y'know what, any advice on the appeals process in general and the policy on asthma medication in specific would be appreciated too. The med staff at DFC in Perth seem to constantly contradict themselves... the nurse I spoke to informed me that having asthma was not the issue, having taken medication was the issue... and that I had to prove that I did not have asthma... all whilst holding my GP's report saying that I do not have asthma. Well, she at least told me to go get a respiratory specialist's report on the matter, which given the previous posts on the topic seems to be a good idea.

Awaiting eagerly for reply.... well, I will be, after I sleep (I started reading the thread at 1am... its now bright outside... sooooo very glad that it's a weekend...)

-Blu3wolf
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 05:51
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Hey Blue,

Just got back from flight screening and I had bad cases of asthma as a child (albeit only a few episodes over a year, generally at the change of seasons) so it's not impossible to pass. You have to do what is known as a Mannitol Challenge Test. Effectively you inhale different dosages of powder to dry out your lungs and breath into the spirometry machine after each subsequent inhalation. If you don't drop below the 15% baseline you pass. Some people are a-symptomatic and go through, others may not, I dropped 8% which was within normal regions. If you haven't had asthma symptoms for years you will most likely be fine. I also swam 3 times a week for the year leading up to expand and exercise my lungs so it's something to think about.

As for base visits, while I was down at HMAS Albatross, I just rang up the squadron and after explaining having come back from FSP etc they were going to let me in with a guide then and there until the XO pulled the plug. You have to apply through recruiting, though I know people having gone through so it's worth enquiring over.
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 06:24
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mannitol challenge?

I never did that, my doc got me to do a standard spirometry... which was just they gave me asthma medication and got me to blow into this machine, the doc said my results were actually better than average...

Still he was just a GP so Im kinda expecting this first appeal to fail... have to say that I hope that DFR is not representative of the ADF as a whole...

The other thing worrying me is this stuff about the PRK/LASEK process. The recruiters basically said that my eyesight wouldn't be an issue. The thread here seems to disagree, and that I would need to get [email protected] surgery. If I do need it, does anyone know how far through the recruiting/testing process I can go before I need to do the surgery?

Also if anyone has any general advice about PRK vs LASEK that would be appreciated, I am getting a referral to see an eye surgeon shortly, but I'm happy to hear from anyone!
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 12:57
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Hi Blu3,

I'm not sure if you've spoken to a doctor from AVMED directly or not, but if you have you can be fairly sure that their advice on medical rulings will be sound. Don't listen to DFR - they don't know much on the matter. Only listen to the doctor.

Essentially, for every cross on your class 4 medical, you'll have to see a specialist to confirm that you're a low medical risk for flight training. I had a suspected migraine when I was 10 and had to see a neurologist to get the thumbs up. In relation to asthma, you'll be hard pressed to get anywhere with an appeal without having done a challenge test administered by a specialist. Your GPs say so won't be enough. The challenge test is similar to a spirometry, and as mentioned before the exception is that you inhale a powder designed to induce an attack. Everybody will have some reaction to this powder, however if it falls outside a certain range you're deemed to have active asthma.

This was the exact process I went through and they seemed to take a fairly hard line on it, but once it was done there were no questions asked and I was given the all clear.

What confuses me about this though, is why have you been given a class 4? I was under the impression that should the medical component of assessment day not go to plan a candidate would be given a class 3R until specialist testing was undertaken to determine the medical risks associated with the relevant condition. You obviously haven't undertaken any specialist testing in regards to your asthma, so why the class 4?

I'm just a layman here, so if I've got out of date info someone please feel free to correct me.
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 14:35
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well, DFR told me I could not talk to AVMED directly. They said I had to write a letter to appeal..

I was made class 4 based on my medical questionnaire, over in perth they dont even do a medical until assessment day. they said that the asthma meant I could not even do the Pilot Aptitude Testing until I got approval from AVMED, and refused to even tell me what I had been made class 4 over until I spoke to a nurse in person.

The nurse was particularly offensive and unhelpful, and tried to imply that I had lied on my medical questionnaire and to nurses, so I am not really thrilled with DFR's conduct up to this point.

still, she told me that I would have to prove that I did not have asthma on my own, and offered no input as to how it could be handled. I went to a GP to ask how I could prove I did not have asthma, this is the first I have heard of a standard asthma challenge test.

I guess I need to talk to AVMED direct, and probably make a complaint about DFR's perth office. still fairly hesitant to go that far, but they seem to be doing their best to discourage anyone from doing anything...
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 18:58
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Good morning,

I was wondering if any of you on the waiting pool have been contacted yet for the November intake? I have not received the call yet, and as you can imagine, I'm feeling quite anxious.

Regards
Sep
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Old 18th Nov 2013, 01:36
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Hey Septerra,

I'd say if you haven't been contacted by now for November then your chances are pretty much nil.

With that being said though, does a 'November intake' mean that you start in November or you get the offer in November? I and a few guys I know start OTS in January and I was contacted back around August, so I don't know what the case is.

You could always call PSA and they can let you know if they've sent your file down to Canberra.
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Old 18th Nov 2013, 03:19
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Blu3wolf- In regards to your LASEK/Eye question, here is some info from the AVMED FAQ-


Q: Can I have refractive surgery to become aircrew?

A: Yes - but-

Only PRK (Photorefractive Keratectomy) and LASEK (Laser Epithelial Ketartomileusis - a form of PRK) are approved at this time.

RK (Radial Keratotomy) is not approved.

LASIK (Laser In-situ Keratomileusis) is also not approved at this time for aircrew however studies are under way to determine its suitability in the longer term

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Old 18th Nov 2013, 08:38
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@Blu3: That's very strange that they've just unilaterally given you a class 4.... I was under the impression that that decision was made after recieving evidence and confirmation of a condition, not just a questionnaire... Now that I think about it though, my initial contact with the nurse resulted in receiving a letter from AVMED to pass on to my doctor asking for a confirmation of diagnosis. My GP thought it was prudent to do specialist testing as he wasn't the one who diagnosed me, and so that's why I went on to do the challenge test before anything else. After I submitted the results to DFR I went on to do the pilot specific testing and assessment day. At assessment day the AVMED doctor said that he thought I had jumped the gun getting the challenge test done given that it may have been an unnecessary expense if I hadn't passed the pilot specific tests, though I would have had to do one eventually anyway when I made it to assessment day.

At assessment day they ask you even more questions and if you get any crosses you'll have to get more specialist testing done to satisfy the ADF that you're not a medical risk, but hopefully that won't apply to you.

From what I've heard you're not the only one to have complaints about the Perth DFR, though I have no first hand experience.
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Old 18th Nov 2013, 09:13
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G'day

I found out that I may really not be getting an opportunity to get selected before my file expires at the PSA. Circumstances dictate that I pursue other things for a couple of years or so, and though I am aware that there is no official age limit for a pilot application, in your opinion, at what age does it start counting against you. I'm 24 and I've heard before that RAAF prefers candidates to be around the 25 year mark at the higher end.

In essence, would I be considered too old if I made an other application when I was around 27-29 years of age?

Regards
Sep

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Old 20th Nov 2013, 06:43
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Don't stress mate, I think 27.5 is the cut off for RAAF and 49 for ARA and RAN. Although under special circumstances RAAF may accept you if you're slightly over age however I haven't heard of it been done. Don't stress about offers just yet, there may be a distribution in the next week or so. I know a guy who is in the top third of the pool and hasn't heard anything yet.
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Old 22nd Nov 2013, 22:50
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Thumbs up RAAF DISTRIBUTION

Septerra, all,

As far as I know a RAAF distribution occurred this week and may still be ongoing. My file was distributed to DP AF along with some other guys I did screening with recently (oct-nov). I wouldn't be overly concerned if you didn't get a phone call. I had to call them and ask the status of my app to which they replied that it had been distributed earlier in the week. Also when calling PSA ask to speak with one of the Flight screening officers vice the orderly staff as both times I spoke I the clerk he gave me no info but when I spoke to one of the officers they told me everything.

Does anyone have any idea of the wait for a letter after you've been distributed?

Good luck to those still going through the process. If you need any info feel free to PM me. Also I am an in service applicant for anyone on the inside.

Regards.
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Old 24th Nov 2013, 04:05
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Also with regards to age I wouldn't worry too much. Yes it is a young mans/ woman's game but the rule is not hard and fast.
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Old 25th Nov 2013, 09:07
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Hi all,

Congratulations on all those who've had their files sent down to Canberra, I called PSA today and like Fair Skies I was told that my file was sent down on the 20th.

I'm a bit unsure as to what the chances of receiving an offer are from this point. I've been led to believe (Partly from the Single Service Brief at Flight Screening) that having your file sent to Canberra means that you've been shortlisted (though how short the list is I don't know) by PSA and that the chances of Canberra knocking it back are rather small. Does anyone know if this is true? I've also been told by another person that It's true for Army and Navy, but Air Force usually knock back about 50%
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Old 25th Nov 2013, 11:51
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Thumbs up Distribution

I'm fairly sure that Canberra (Directorate of Personnel in the RAAF example) contact PSA and request a certain amount of pilots for the upcoming courses which are then scooped from the top of the pool. From there, as far as I understand, you are essentially just waiting for the formalities of a letter of offer.

This info mostly comes from guys that have been through the process before and whom I currently work with.

Cheers and good luck to all. I hope too meet some of you in the near future (hopefully very near!)
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 05:59
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Thanks Fair Skies, here's hoping that's the case and we'll be getting the offers in the next few weeks.

As a bit of additional info (partly regarding your question on how long the wait will be), I was told by the CPL at PSA that Canberra has 3 weeks from when they get the file (the 20th) to make a decision and reply to PSA and from there PSA apparently will contact you to let you know that you've been given an offer. So December 11th their deadline for decisions, and if you haven't been contacted by PSA by then, then Canberra has knocked your offer back and you go back into the pool for the other two services.

I think they contact you by phone first to let you know before the letter is sent out, much like for Flight Screening itself. Though I'm not entirely sure on this
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 02:53
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PSA File

I phoned PSA today and they informed me my file was with the distribution centre which isn't controlled by PSA (according to the CPL), does anyone know what this means? I'm not really sure if that is the same thing as the Department of Personal or if its just sitting in the distribution pool like all other recommendations...Any ideas? My preferences are RAAF and Army

Cheers
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Old 2nd Dec 2013, 06:26
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By the sounds of it, you seem to be in the same boat as Fair Skies and myself.

Has anyone received any offers yet after having their file sent to Canberra? There's only 7 business days left until the 11th and I'm starting to get nervous haha
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