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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 15th Oct 2013, 10:09
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FSP Recommendations

To those who have successfully completed FSP,

Did any of you who were placed in the middle of the pool end up getting a RAAF offer? And if not what services did you hear from?
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Old 15th Oct 2013, 12:45
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Originally Posted by preo
PhilipMatejko - I have been contacted by DFR to get paperwork organised as they wanted to get me in for OSB. I'm not sure what to make of it though as 3rd of Nov is the last PSF/OSB (non-ADFA) for the year.

I was expecting a call today from DFR and had a few questions lined up. One of them being the order of events.

I haven't had an assessment day (military and psych interview), I have only had the YOU day and pilot aptitude testing. Originally my education wasn't up to par so I've spent the last four months getting HD's in Math and Physics at university. Am I correct to think that PSF would be the last part of the application process?

I have also read that GSO's may do the PSF in the first year of RMC. This doesnt make sense to me as you need to do OSB to see which faction will make you an offer if any. Can anyone confirm this?

Thank you,
Preo
1. Order of events: YOU, Specialist Testing, Assessment Day (Initial Medical, Psychological, Job Interview), Flight Screening, Further Medical (involves Pathology and Dental tests and only occurs if you get a recommendation), Letter of Offer.

2. There are two ways that a GSO can be a pilot in the Army. The first is to go to flight screening and get recommended as a GSO Army pilot, which involves being given what's called an "aviation scholarship"(or cadetship?) to RMC. This essentially means that you've been streamed into the specific pilot role prior to going to RMC. The second, and the way that all other GSO's gain a specialisation, is to attend RMC and be streamed to a specialisation based on your results on course. I'm not sure about the specifics of how this is done, but I would imagine that specialisations requiring a higher level of aptitude would require better results (seems obvious), also with consideration for the demand of that particular stream. This second method of attending RMC without a specialisation is likely what you've read is in reference to. A candidate in their first year of RMC (who doesn't have a specialisation already) could attend FSP to determine whether they would be suitable for the aviation stream.

Does this make sense?

This is based on my understanding of what I've been told, so if anybody who has actually done this has more up to date info or can correct me on any point please do so.

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Old 15th Oct 2013, 13:32
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Thank you VSneaky.

Yes it makes sense, I cant see the second method of pilot GSO entry as being beneficial to anyone who knows they want to be a pilot.

I am hoping that I get my Assessment day very soon. Would be very happy to get FSP done this year.
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Old 15th Oct 2013, 15:01
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Offers

Hi Guys,

Could someone please tell me how many candidates will receive letters of offers to become Pilots in the ADF through the ADFA stream.

And when do PSA send out the letters?

Thanks!
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Old 16th Oct 2013, 22:39
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Hey GIA,

Your best bet for that question would be to contact PSF directly, I forget their number but I think you can find it on the air force website
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Old 17th Oct 2013, 02:55
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FSP OSB

G'day everyone,

Just signed up to this forum and the information in it has proven to be very helpful.

Wondering if anyone else is heading up to Tamworth for FSP and OSB on the 19th this month?

Cheers
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Old 17th Oct 2013, 03:50
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Very Sneaky,

That should clear it up for these guys. You almost sound as if you work at RMC or the PSA?????

Do the guys who go to RMC first and want to be pilots get to go to flight screening? Also, is the sign on period the same for GSO and the other pilot type?
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Old 17th Oct 2013, 04:08
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Originally Posted by Winged Wombat
Very Sneaky,

That should clear it up for these guys. You almost sound as if you work at RMC or the PSA?????

Do the guys who go to RMC first and want to be pilots get to go to flight screening? Also, is the sign on period the same for GSO and the other pilot type?
Haha nah I don't work there WW! I just had a couple of in depth conversations with the Army rep Maj. Heffernan while I was at PSF. He was very helpful at clearing these kind of questions up.

As far as I'm aware you can't be streamed to the pilot role without attending flight screening, so I would assume that this would take place at some point during RMC. As preo mentioned earlier, there may be an opportunity to do so within the first 12 months. If selected for the aviation stream, all GSO candidates go through BFTS at the conclusion of RMC.

In terms of sign on period, the sign on period for GSO is 13 years where it is only 9 years for SSO. I would assume that this difference would have something to do with the length of training. GSOs spend 18 months at RMC, where SSOs only spend 32 days, but this may also be due to the fact that GSOs are considered 'career' officers, where SSOs are essentially just there to fill a position, at least this is the way it was explained to me. This is however reflected by the limitations placed on progression of the SSO pilot to a maximum of Major or, under special circumstances, Lieutenant Colonel.
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Old 18th Oct 2013, 08:26
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Hey ryankjames,

I'm heading up to screening on the 19th also, definitely some mixed feelings about the next two weeks. Very nervous, but excited as well. Looking forward to meeting you
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Old 18th Oct 2013, 12:04
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Good luck to those going to PSF tomorrow. Hope to hear good things and details, haha.

I have spoken again to DFR and it defiantly sounds like they wanted me for the early Nov FSP, PSF but I still haven't heard back about an assessment day. If it doesn't happen very soon I guess all spots will be filled and I'll be waiting for next year.

I have however done a bit more gliding and am booked in for a powered aerobatics lesson next week so I have something to look forward to even if they don't get me in.
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Old 21st Oct 2013, 03:28
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I heard from a guy the other day that there is some sort of final date where they don't accept any further applications for the ADFA. This kind of makes sense really since the end of the year is coming soon and ADFA starts early next year. Need time to make their decisions etc. Applications made after this date may not be considered.

Very Sneaky,
Do you know anything about this?
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Old 21st Oct 2013, 14:15
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Originally Posted by Winged Wombat
I heard from a guy the other day that there is some sort of final date where they don't accept any further applications for the ADFA. This kind of makes sense really since the end of the year is coming soon and ADFA starts early next year. Need time to make their decisions etc. Applications made after this date may not be considered.

Very Sneaky,
Do you know anything about this?
Not specifically, but I do know that there are university deadlines that need to be met in order to send out offers etc for the following year. I would say that this plays a large role in the cutoff dates for ADFA. Being a part of UNSW, I would imagine it would fall subject to the same regulations. This is standardised for all universities falling under their respective admissions bodies (uac, vtac etc.). There are also a number of administrative issues as you've mentioned.

Having gone through the process myself though, DFR are generally quite efficient in getting candidates who have applied for a particular year on course before these cutoff dates, provided the candidate is organised enough to ensure a spot.
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Old 22nd Oct 2013, 08:07
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WW.

There is a "cutoff" date. This is purely to do with the FSP courses having been filled.
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Old 22nd Oct 2013, 08:46
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For the assessment day, is it required to know specifications (cruise speed, ceiling, type of engine) of aircraft such as the CT4B or PC9/A? Any other tips for assessment day would be appreciated greatly.
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Old 22nd Oct 2013, 23:18
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theuploader3194,

Definitely not for those aircraft, but it wouldn't hurt knowing some specifics for the aircraft you eventually want to fly.
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Old 24th Oct 2013, 03:59
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Thanks for the reply frappe,

One more question. Currently I only have one job preference (pilot). Should I add anymore preferences to show that I would still join the defence force or would this put questions in the minds of recruiters about my motivation to become a pilot? For the record if I don't receive an offer for pilot the likelihood of me pursuing another career in the defence force is quite slim.
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Old 24th Oct 2013, 04:48
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No worries mate.

I was wondering the same thing pre-Assessment Day and in the end I only had Pilot as a preference. If, like you say, the likelihood of you pursuing another career in Defence is slim, then I wouldn't bother putting in any other preferences.

But with that said, do look into other Defence careers in case Pilot doesn't work out, if you haven't already. I'm gunna take an educated guess here and assume you want to fly fast jets in the RAAF, so if you don't get Pilot, you could go for ACO and eventually be aircrew on the Super Hornet, which would definitely be still worthwhile. Or you could go for Pilot in the Navy or Army. There's plenty of opportunities available, give them a think.
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Old 24th Oct 2013, 06:31
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Pilot is one of, if not the, most competitive job in the ADF. Applying just for pilot can show a motivation just to fly, as long as you can back it up by proving you have experience in/passion for aviation. I applied just for pilot, and I had no issues. Don't apply for another job for the sake of it; think to yourself, if I ended up getting my second or third preference, would I be happy having to do it for up to 14.5 years?
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Old 26th Oct 2013, 06:50
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OSB only

Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone has any information on undertaking OSB only. It is obviously very similar to the one I did last year but any suggestions on things that they may focus on in more detail? I have taken the advice which they recommended last time, began Toastmasters and gliding, finished uni and working full time.

I have changed my preference from RAAF to RAN and ARA because my flight screening score is not above 4, the new cutoff for RAAF. I assume they will focus on that.

I arrive at Tamworth on the 13th November. Anyone on the flight screening beginning around the 3rd of November?

Thanks,
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Old 26th Oct 2013, 20:38
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Very Sneaky -As far as I'm aware you can't be streamed to the pilot role without attending flight screening, so I would assume that this would take place at some point during RMC. As preo mentioned earlier, there may be an opportunity to do so within the first 12 months. If selected for the aviation stream, all GSO candidates go through BFTS at the conclusion of RMC.

I may have some (dated) information to add to this. Prior to the advent of SSOs all Army pilots were required to complete the full course at RMC, or the last year if they attended ADFA.

During the first year we were dragged into a large lecture theatre and 'tested for aptitude'. Aviation and languages are the two I remember specifically. Those that tested as 'gifted' were streamed into Aviation or Intelligence Corps after graduation.
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