Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 9th Oct 2012, 14:04
  #2281 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Sydney
Posts: 4
Fair enough, but I am going ADFA so I don't think the time of year which I apply will make a difference anyways :P (I realised this about 15 minutes after posting).
GenericUsername is offline  
Old 10th Oct 2012, 10:02
  #2282 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: SAUDI
Posts: 216
GU.

Ryano is right and if your going for ADFA 2013 I think you have missed the boat
finestkind is offline  
Old 10th Oct 2012, 13:03
  #2283 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Sydney
Posts: 4
I plan on going to ADFA in 2014, this is because I plan to take a year off to 'mature myself'.

By the way, does anyone know what kind of questions they ask at OSB? Even the generic ones would be great, because so far in this thread (unless I've missed it) they say prepare for OSB, but I don't know the questions, so how can I prepare for questions I don't know right?

Any other tips would be great for any part of the selection process.
GenericUsername is offline  
Old 10th Oct 2012, 16:52
  #2284 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Australia
Posts: 1
I received an invitation to a FSP, however I have not received any paperwork from DFR saying I have been fit for board or passed assessment day. I know I passed the assessment day interview but I have some medical issues. Did anyone get any paperwork saying the are cleared for board or were you guys just told in person?
Ozzie Flyer is offline  
Old 10th Oct 2012, 23:22
  #2285 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: N/A
Age: 32
Posts: 37
GU, mate, I'm going to say that you've missed it.... Try reading the thread with both eyes open!! There's plenty of questions you can expect to be asked buried deep right here. Go to page one and start from there. Time is on your side.
ryano is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2012, 00:06
  #2286 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 128

I plan on going to ADFA in 2014, this is because I plan to take a year off to
'mature myself'.

By the way, does anyone know what kind of questions they
ask at OSB? Even the generic ones would be great, because so far in this thread
(unless I've missed it) they say prepare for OSB, but I don't know the
questions, so how can I prepare for questions I don't know right?

Any
other tips would be great for any part of the selection process.
Dude, there are 117 pages in this thread. There is a very high probability that there are detailed answers to any questions you have. There is also a high chance that questions you havent even thought about, or other things that you havent considered are covered.

Life isnt always going to give you the answer on a silver platter, so invest some time in your own development and read the thread.

Last edited by flighthappens; 11th Oct 2012 at 00:08.
flighthappens is online now  
Old 16th Oct 2012, 08:50
  #2287 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Australia
Posts: 8
LongLats wrote:

I went through flight screening almost 2 years ago and was knocked back. I was pretty gutted but now determined to have another crack at it.

I've since completed a science degree and got my CPL and MECIR along with a frozen ATPL. It'll be 2 years in Feb so I'm going to reapply.

Has anyone experienced or heard of anyone not getting recommended at flight screening and going back a second time to gain entry into the forces? I'm worried my chances of even getting to flight screening again will be reduced because I've already blown my first chance.
Hi LongLats,

From my understanding (and please note that I'm not affiliated with the ADF or PSA, so this reply is open for correction!), you are still welcome to reapply to DFR. However, once you have done the initial DFR steps again, you will then sit only the OSB at Tamworth; you will not redo the flying phase. Once you have completed the flying phase of FSP, your file and scores are kept for any future application (i.e. you only fly at FSP once).

So, you will sit an OSB, psychology assessment, etc. at PSA but it will be your FSP flying scores from 2 years ago that will be considered in your new application.

Remember the flying you have done since (your CPL, etc.) will only be seen by the PSA as a sign of your personal attributes (e.g. determination and perseverance to fly). Only your performance at your initial FSP will be considered in determining your ability to learn in the air.

If your flying at your first FSP was up to scratch, you certainly won't be the first to be rejected, then reapply and succeed. By all means, give it a crack.

Good on you for keeping the dream alive and backing it up with a BSc too! You must have been really cut out making ends meet between uni, work and flying training. I'm sure the ADF would regard this highly in your new application. Best of Luck!

FLF
From Left Field is offline  
Old 16th Oct 2012, 13:20
  #2288 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Age: 30
Posts: 12
FLF, I was under the impression you could return to the FSP after a period of three years and re-sit the flying component? Could well be wrong!
Queestce is offline  
Old 16th Oct 2012, 14:07
  #2289 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Australia
Posts: 8
FLF, I was under the impression you could return to the FSP after a period of three years and re-sit the flying component? Could well be wrong!
Looks like we're wide open for correction... anyone know what the case is? CSD perhaps?
From Left Field is offline  
Old 17th Oct 2012, 12:22
  #2290 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Hobart
Age: 22
Posts: 3
Thanks for all your help so far.

I've decided I'm going to go off to ADFA. Does anyone know how what the process is like to get into ADFA?

Thanks.
Juicey is offline  
Old 19th Oct 2012, 22:53
  #2291 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: SAUDI
Posts: 216
You may if, you wish re-do, the flying component of FSP after three years. don't forget that it will take a bit of time getting through the recruiting process so apply before the three years is up.
finestkind is offline  
Old 23rd Oct 2012, 00:46
  #2292 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Australia
Age: 33
Posts: 1
Hi guys,

Was wondering if someone could PM me the contact details for PSA. I wanted to call them to have a chat about my file, and I cannot find the contact details anywhere on the Air Force PSA site.

Thanks in advance.
bray_man is offline  
Old 8th Nov 2012, 00:31
  #2293 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: brisbane
Posts: 3
Start of Officer Training

Does anyone have an idea when you would start initial officer training if you get accepted for a spot in the november distribution???

I would guess next year because its too close to xmas but anything more definitive than that would be great.

Cheers
myskyhigh is offline  
Old 8th Nov 2012, 02:48
  #2294 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 53
Hi guys,

Long time reader first time poster here! I've just finished reading through this thread and I'd just like to give a big thank you to all of those who have contributed, especially the FSP staff and any current/ex pilots for imparting your wisdom! I've found it extremely helpful and hopefully it gives me that edge in preparation to have a successful application.

A bit about me, I'm 23, from Melbourne and currently studying a BBus (Marketing) degree which I hope to finish mid way through 2013. I have completed both the YOU session and specialist aircrew testing successfully and just waiting for educational exemptions to be processed by DFR (I didn't complete the right math subjects at high school, doh!). For those of you interested; I completed a maths unit via OUA (Open Universities), specifically through Murdoch, to gain equivalency for the requirements and a second maths unit to solidify my understanding. It has not been approved as yet but I have emails from VCAA confirming its equivalency to the Victorian Maths Methods standard. I have ~10 hours powered flight time, close to my first solo and considering time in a glider and possibly a couple of aerobatic lessons.

In preparation for the YOU session, if any of you are worried about it, I recommend Free Practice Psychometric Tests, Psychometric Tests Examples - Aptitude Tests, Personality Tests Examples and Psychometric Test Courses Online. They have a large number of practice aptitude questions and while not all of the areas are relevant, I definitely found it very helpful at an affordable price. I DO NOT, however recommend http://www.defenceaptitude.com.au; I was dismayed to find the quality of the materials lower than what I was exposed to in primary school, and after leaving some polite constructive feedback received an abusive phone call. Avoid this site.

For those who have or have had asthma, I have this to say: I had childhood asthma and have not had any symptoms in the past 5+ years. I was required to obtain specialist lung reports, specifically for a spirometry and aridol (mannitol) challenge test or BPT (Bronchial Provocation Test). This was all clear and I have been cleared medically to proceed (having said that, I haven't yet attended assessment day for the more comprehensive medical assessment)

Assessment day is the next stage in my application, and primarily from my attendance at the ADFA open day a couple of years ago at the advice of the RAAFie giving the presentation (can't remember his name!), I have gathered that the defence interview is ranked in competitiveness based on 5 factors which are scored individually out of 5. In no particular order, they were:

- Military Motivation
- Flight Motivation
- Team Experience
- Leadership Experience
- Academics

I'm not sure if there are different weightings to each of these categories, but it is my understanding that these scores are then put into a system and candidates are ranked based on their final score, of which the top are selected for any given FSP place availabilities! I'm also not sure if this is specific to ADFA only, but it would make sense if this is also applied to DEO.

I've been preparing for this since I attended the open day (maybe a bit before) over 2 years ago so I'm fairly apprehensive, hopefully it pays off!

One question I do have; Does anybody know what the recruitment climate for pilots is like at the moment? Or any specifics on intake numbers for ADFA/DEO?

Cheers,

VS

Edit: Sorry for the long post!

Last edited by Very Sneaky; 8th Nov 2012 at 09:54.
Very Sneaky is offline  
Old 13th Nov 2012, 23:53
  #2295 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Melbourne
Age: 29
Posts: 7
Sky high from what I hear its going to be end of jan when you start

Sneaky, in all seriousness mate I respect your preparation and effort you have put towards getting in but their is one hard reality that you should plan for the most.

If you have passed the you session and specialist pilot testing you will most likely pass the assessment day providing you can sell yourself well. Once you have passed that , the real test is up next

Regardless of your prepping, when you're up in the pilot seat you either have that natural ability or you don't. Civilian flying hours really are to familiarise you with a plane and that is how you should treat it. It will not teach you how to fly a ct -4. I can guarantee you that. Gliding is great experience for flying and I would recommend that but I urge you to prep yourself mentally. You will feel down at some point and you will need to dig deep and stay focused. Believe in your ability and accept the fact that you may be good enough or you may not be. This is not a maths test that you can study for.

Also if you find chair flying is not for you, don't waste your time doing it , an early night sleep rather than staying up chair flying and studying does a lot more for you

I won't say any more about flight screening as I know PSA would prefer details of the 2 weeks to not be discussed, but good luck to you and all others
Aydo is offline  
Old 15th Nov 2012, 00:22
  #2296 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 53
Thanks for the advice mate,

I've spent a lot of time contemplating my desire to do this for the past couple of years, and have long since come to the firm conclusion that this is what I want to do and am prepared to do whatever it takes to get there. I don't feel as though my motivation or any lack there of will create any problems for me because of this, as I know exactly what it is I want and how far I'm willing to push myself for that.

Having said this, you're right in that successful flight screening is for the naturally gifted. I seem to have adapted to the air quickly enough, but whether I meet this standard is another question. It is also one for which there is nothing I can do to prepare, so instead I prefer to concentrate on elements within my control

Good tip on the chair flying; I haven't yet done any so I'll have to try it out to find out!

Cheers

VS
Very Sneaky is offline  
Old 15th Nov 2012, 04:43
  #2297 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Australia
Posts: 15
Hey all,

Just wanted to say first a huge thank you to everyone who's contributed (positively) to this thread I just finished reading through the whole thing, and have gained some awesome insight into the entire process. I'm currently in the process, just finished additional testing and waiting on an assessment day date. I just had a few more things that I want to clarify:

1. What is the accommodation situation at Tamworth? Is it organised by PSA, or are candidates expected to organise their own accommodation? No troubles either way, just curious.

2. I recently called DFR and asked how to get into contact with a currently-serving pilot, but the kind lady who answered had no idea. I tried to find the number for my closest base (Amberley) but couldn't find one. Does anyone know the best way to go about this? Or, if there are any current-serving pilots on these forums that want to message me, that'd be awesome On that note, I'd love to contact a pilot from each stream (ACG, ALG and SRG), is this possible?

3. I noticed a few pages back that the whole basic/advanced system had been changed at FSP, does anyone know in the current situation, how many flying hours puts you in each category?

4. Should the assessment day go well, and depending on the answer to the previous question, I'm planning on getting about 10-15 hours in the air before (hopefully) heading to Tamworth. One of the ways I was going to go about this is the ADF Cram Course at Red Baron Flight Training (Red Baron | Advanced Flight Training | Bankstown Airport Sydney). I've heard only good things about this course, and I don't mind spending the $$, but I'm wondering if it would be more beneficial to take that $2550 and spend it on ~10 hours in a glider? What do you guys think? Ideally, I'd like to do the Red Baron course and put a few glider hours on top of that, but I'll have to see how the financial situation goes later in the process.

Again, thanks to everyone who has contributed! And sorry for the long post
frappe is offline  
Old 16th Nov 2012, 13:03
  #2298 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Australia
Posts: 43
Hi Frappe,

Try calling the Defence Switchboard on 1300 333 362, they should be able to connect you to your closest base.

To add to what VS recommended regarding practice aptitude tests I found these helpful in preparing:

Assesment, IQ and Aptitude Test Training

How to pass aptitude tests with example tests

Defence International Training Centre

Aptitude test questions

Apologies if some of these links have been posted before.....
Skymong is offline  
Old 16th Nov 2012, 21:51
  #2299 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Melbourne
Age: 29
Posts: 7
Just pmed you mate
Aydo is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2012, 02:37
  #2300 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 160
RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

I guess it depends on how big the pool is and how many get picked up in the next intake.
Joker89 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.