ASW aircraft - what is needed?
Charlie
Your right, those long trips were a real killer, or maybe a life saver, depending upon your opinion on smoking. I always enjoyed it when the drivers forget to put the airbrakes back in. Dont have to worry about endurance on my John Deere, theres even a holder for a beer can built in.
Bruce the Scottish diplomat???
Your right, those long trips were a real killer, or maybe a life saver, depending upon your opinion on smoking. I always enjoyed it when the drivers forget to put the airbrakes back in. Dont have to worry about endurance on my John Deere, theres even a holder for a beer can built in.
Bruce the Scottish diplomat???
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How about Martel, Deer, On Top Drift Sight, AS12?
In fact the Mark 1 Nimrod could almost be likened to a kid in an arms verything off the shelf.
Or Containers, Lane Equipment?
When I eventually ordered up two loads for a pair of Nimrods to cover a Royal Flight it turned out we only had 3 or so. How many hours were wasted teaching every nav and crew, and customers as well I guess, about kit we didn't have?
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Charlie, you old scrote! You must have learned stacks since your exodus down South. Most on 201 recall that you simply ate a lot and got beaten up by the Deaf Dumb and Blind kid! 
As for stand off weapons, I want to become rich by suggesting that we build a series of huge catapults around the coast that are capable of hurling everything from torpedos to hand grenades, oh and big rocks into France too! That way we can do away with the RN and withdraw into our own safe island!
Bugger, some clever salesman from Boeing is going to steal my idea now!
As for stand off weapons, I want to become rich by suggesting that we build a series of huge catapults around the coast that are capable of hurling everything from torpedos to hand grenades, oh and big rocks into France too! That way we can do away with the RN and withdraw into our own safe island!
Bugger, some clever salesman from Boeing is going to steal my idea now!
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ASW aircraft--what is needed
You really are a lot of girl's blouses!! There was only one aircraft, it was big and grey and had four mighty Griffons , a galley to make honkers in and all sorts of clever bits fitted (which worked sometimes). 15 hour trips were not unusual my longest was a few minutes over 24 hours but then it was different in the 50s and 60s.
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Ah yes....
Let's see - the 15 hr trips would be to 807, and the 24 hrs to 609 then?
15 hour trips were not unusual my longest was a few minutes over 24 hours but then it
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DaveJb,
Indeed, but we only managed 17 hrs with John Elias so didn't get south of Aberdeen.
Any time we passed south of the border always involved a night stop or 3.
Indeed, but we only managed 17 hrs with John Elias so didn't get south of Aberdeen.
Any time we passed south of the border always involved a night stop or 3.
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Yes,
I think it was Pip Witts who once told me of a Shack jolly he was on from Kinloss to Gibraltar. Having flown all day against a touch of a headwind they landed at St Mawgan, slightly short of the intended destination.
Mind you, Norman could be a bit slow at times - it was very noticeable on airways that everyone else seemed to overtake us....
I think it was Pip Witts who once told me of a Shack jolly he was on from Kinloss to Gibraltar. Having flown all day against a touch of a headwind they landed at St Mawgan, slightly short of the intended destination.
Mind you, Norman could be a bit slow at times - it was very noticeable on airways that everyone else seemed to overtake us....
PN
John Elias is a name to cunjure up some memories, a gentleman for ever.
One one air display at homeplate St Mawgan, he rotated and turned all in one movement, the video from the tower was taken away quickly, apparantly there wasnt any sky under the wing tip, just grass.
John Elias is a name to cunjure up some memories, a gentleman for ever.
One one air display at homeplate St Mawgan, he rotated and turned all in one movement, the video from the tower was taken away quickly, apparantly there wasnt any sky under the wing tip, just grass.
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Wonder if the Mighty Hunter could have done the same as we did at Suez time ie. carrying 33 passengers and a reduced crew of 6, The only way to get down the back for a pee was to walk on slumbering bodies!
6 hours UK to Malta, refuel, 6 hrs to Nicosia no refuel (to save the Islands fuel resources), 12 hours off then take the next available aircraft back to the UK, 12 hours off then the same again. I was on 120 then and we were changing from Mk1s the Mk2s so took the next aircraft Mk1 or Mk2, by the end of the airlift out and back aircraft were all in the wrong places and as I remember it took until mid-January for each Squadron to get it's own aircraft back.
For "The Old Fat One" we used to do "fighter affil" as we still had the top turret---a corkscrew in a Shack was an arm wrenching experience and as for nearly drowning we had a siggie drown in Loch Neagh. There was a forward escape hatch in the nose floor and people had a habit of jumping down into the nose compartment onto the hatch, unfortunely one day it gave way and the said siggie dropped into the Loch. The captain was sitting up front in the nose cinema seat and had to stay there 'cos there was this bloody great space between him and the cockpit. After that a wooden cover was fitted to the escape hatch to prevent similar happenings.
John Elias was at Kinloss when I went through what was then the Shack OCU (I did the MRS at St.Mawgan on Lancasters) and when I went back to Kinloss as a QFI many years later he was still there. He used to drink a horrible red bitter concoction called as I remember Cinzano.
Happy days----------retires hurt.
6 hours UK to Malta, refuel, 6 hrs to Nicosia no refuel (to save the Islands fuel resources), 12 hours off then take the next available aircraft back to the UK, 12 hours off then the same again. I was on 120 then and we were changing from Mk1s the Mk2s so took the next aircraft Mk1 or Mk2, by the end of the airlift out and back aircraft were all in the wrong places and as I remember it took until mid-January for each Squadron to get it's own aircraft back.
For "The Old Fat One" we used to do "fighter affil" as we still had the top turret---a corkscrew in a Shack was an arm wrenching experience and as for nearly drowning we had a siggie drown in Loch Neagh. There was a forward escape hatch in the nose floor and people had a habit of jumping down into the nose compartment onto the hatch, unfortunely one day it gave way and the said siggie dropped into the Loch. The captain was sitting up front in the nose cinema seat and had to stay there 'cos there was this bloody great space between him and the cockpit. After that a wooden cover was fitted to the escape hatch to prevent similar happenings.
John Elias was at Kinloss when I went through what was then the Shack OCU (I did the MRS at St.Mawgan on Lancasters) and when I went back to Kinloss as a QFI many years later he was still there. He used to drink a horrible red bitter concoction called as I remember Cinzano.
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Everyone, except me, interpreted this as Weak Tea, no sugar. I knew he meant VST NS VLM - tea as black as ....................
I remember one Shack trip with John. We had lunch on the lawn, rugs, plates, sandwiches, listening to the birds in the quiet of a sunny Leicestershire afternoon.
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More maritime patrol gadgets:
UAV in a Tube Could Keep P-8s Up There
Posted by Graham Warwick at 6/27/2008 9:49 AM CDT
Bill Sweetman blogged from the recent AUVSI show about U.S. Navy interest in UAVs that could be air-launched from its P-8 Poseidon to avoid the modified 737 wasting fuel and airframe life by dropping to low altitude to ID surface targets. One of the ideas being looked at is Lite Machines' coaxial-rotor Voyeur, an expendable UAV designed to be launched from standard sonobouy tubes.
Video: Lite Machines
Lite Machines plans air-launched flight tests of the 24in-tall Voyeur under the recently started third phase of its U.S. Navy small-business research contract. The battery-powered UAV will be launched from the sonobouy tube to parachute down, deploy from the canister, start up its rotors and descend to ID the target at close range.
It will have an endurance of 60-90 minutes, after which it will ditch in the sea and scuttle itself, says Lite Machines. The UAV will carry a camera that will tilt up 10-15deg and down 90deg, and pan through 360 degrees by rotating the vehicle using differential rotor rpm. ...
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Also:
Air Launched UAVs Extend Poseidon's Reach
Posted by Bill Sweetman at 6/11/2008 1:10 AM CDT
When the US Navy picked the 737-based Boeing P-8A to replace the P-3C Orion, some wondered whether the jet would match the P-3's efficiency at low altitude. The answer - it doesn't. Dipping to low level uses a lot of fuel and eats into endurance. As a result, the Navy has two projects going that use air-launched UAVs to complement the manned airplane. They're on show this week at the AUVSI convention in San Diego.
One program is looking at expendable UAVs that can be launched from standard sonobuoy tubes. Three designs are being funded for tests out of the Navy's Patuxent River flight test center, starting with launches from a Raytheon C-12 and continuing with trials from a P-3 later this year. They include Lite Machines' Voyeur, a design from L3 and the Advanced Ceramics Research Coyote. These vehicles are electrically powered and expendable, and the initial configuration would carry an electro-optical or infra-red sensor, mainly for positive visual ID of ships below a cloud deck.
Advanced Ceramics Coyote
More complex requirements are the goal of the Wing and Bomb Bay Launched (WBBL) UAV program. The Navy has Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) contracts in this area with Piasecki, for its Turais UAV, and Acuity Technologies, with the AT-3 Owl. The WBBL-UAV systems are bigger, weighing up to 1,000 lb, and carry multiple payloads (including up to ten sonobouys), and have an endurance of up to eight hours. They are also designed so that they can recover to a land base after a mission.
( My comment: Why not launch a bigass propeller-propelled maritime patrol UAV from a land base as well as recover to a land base, then? Maybe the thing could fly in ground effect in milder sea states. )
AT-3 Owl
The Owl, for instance, has a large weapon bay and a 36 hp UEL rotary engine driving a ducted fan. The UAV could be used to expand a patrol airplane's surveillance area, or could be a gap-filler if the manned aircraft had to return to base because of an equipment problem. Phase II contracts, including tests of full-scale mechanical demonstrators, were awarded in May.
pics by Bill Sweetman
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UAV in a Tube Could Keep P-8s Up There
Posted by Graham Warwick at 6/27/2008 9:49 AM CDT
Bill Sweetman blogged from the recent AUVSI show about U.S. Navy interest in UAVs that could be air-launched from its P-8 Poseidon to avoid the modified 737 wasting fuel and airframe life by dropping to low altitude to ID surface targets. One of the ideas being looked at is Lite Machines' coaxial-rotor Voyeur, an expendable UAV designed to be launched from standard sonobouy tubes.
Video: Lite Machines
Lite Machines plans air-launched flight tests of the 24in-tall Voyeur under the recently started third phase of its U.S. Navy small-business research contract. The battery-powered UAV will be launched from the sonobouy tube to parachute down, deploy from the canister, start up its rotors and descend to ID the target at close range.
It will have an endurance of 60-90 minutes, after which it will ditch in the sea and scuttle itself, says Lite Machines. The UAV will carry a camera that will tilt up 10-15deg and down 90deg, and pan through 360 degrees by rotating the vehicle using differential rotor rpm. ...
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Also:
Air Launched UAVs Extend Poseidon's Reach
Posted by Bill Sweetman at 6/11/2008 1:10 AM CDT
When the US Navy picked the 737-based Boeing P-8A to replace the P-3C Orion, some wondered whether the jet would match the P-3's efficiency at low altitude. The answer - it doesn't. Dipping to low level uses a lot of fuel and eats into endurance. As a result, the Navy has two projects going that use air-launched UAVs to complement the manned airplane. They're on show this week at the AUVSI convention in San Diego.
One program is looking at expendable UAVs that can be launched from standard sonobuoy tubes. Three designs are being funded for tests out of the Navy's Patuxent River flight test center, starting with launches from a Raytheon C-12 and continuing with trials from a P-3 later this year. They include Lite Machines' Voyeur, a design from L3 and the Advanced Ceramics Research Coyote. These vehicles are electrically powered and expendable, and the initial configuration would carry an electro-optical or infra-red sensor, mainly for positive visual ID of ships below a cloud deck.
Advanced Ceramics Coyote
More complex requirements are the goal of the Wing and Bomb Bay Launched (WBBL) UAV program. The Navy has Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) contracts in this area with Piasecki, for its Turais UAV, and Acuity Technologies, with the AT-3 Owl. The WBBL-UAV systems are bigger, weighing up to 1,000 lb, and carry multiple payloads (including up to ten sonobouys), and have an endurance of up to eight hours. They are also designed so that they can recover to a land base after a mission.
( My comment: Why not launch a bigass propeller-propelled maritime patrol UAV from a land base as well as recover to a land base, then? Maybe the thing could fly in ground effect in milder sea states. )
AT-3 Owl
The Owl, for instance, has a large weapon bay and a 36 hp UEL rotary engine driving a ducted fan. The UAV could be used to expand a patrol airplane's surveillance area, or could be a gap-filler if the manned aircraft had to return to base because of an equipment problem. Phase II contracts, including tests of full-scale mechanical demonstrators, were awarded in May.
pics by Bill Sweetman
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GAO Denies Protest, Gives Northrop Nod for BAMS
Published: 14 Aug
The U.S. Navy's decision to give Northrop Grumman the contract to build a new unmanned surveillance aircraft was upheld Aug. 8 by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), which denied a protest filed by Lockheed Martin.
The decision clears the way for Northrop to begin work on the RQ-4N Global Hawk Broad Area Maritime Surveillance (BAMS) aircraft.
The Navy announced its selection April 22, choosing Northrop over proposals from Lockheed Martin-General Atomics and Boeing-Gulfstream. The system development and demonstration contract initially is worth $1.16 billion, but the service plans to buy more than five dozen aircraft, priced at about $55 million apiece.......
Published: 14 Aug
The U.S. Navy's decision to give Northrop Grumman the contract to build a new unmanned surveillance aircraft was upheld Aug. 8 by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), which denied a protest filed by Lockheed Martin.
The decision clears the way for Northrop to begin work on the RQ-4N Global Hawk Broad Area Maritime Surveillance (BAMS) aircraft.
The Navy announced its selection April 22, choosing Northrop over proposals from Lockheed Martin-General Atomics and Boeing-Gulfstream. The system development and demonstration contract initially is worth $1.16 billion, but the service plans to buy more than five dozen aircraft, priced at about $55 million apiece.......
