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Gaining An R.A.F Pilots Brevet In WW II

Old 25th Sep 2018, 15:16
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WW2 Wings

My stepfather flew 68 bomber ops progressing from WOP/AG on 3rd Sept 39 to Lanc pilot via squadron signals leader. He converted at Canadian Schools and I would love to see his service record, as a mere stepson would I be allowed access? Incidentally I finished up as his C.O but that's another story!
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Old 25th Sep 2018, 20:38
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I think you will find it has to be next of kin.
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Old 25th Sep 2018, 21:12
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Originally Posted by Prangster View Post
My stepfather flew 68 bomber ops progressing from WOP/AG on 3rd Sept 39 to Lanc pilot via squadron signals leader. He converted at Canadian Schools and I would love to see his service record, as a mere stepson would I be allowed access? Incidentally I finished up as his C.O but that's another story!
Details of how to access Service Records can be found here:
https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military...-elses-records
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Old 25th Sep 2018, 22:24
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Hello guys and especially Danny.....I was sent here by chugalug from a thread in the main forum I started about my side hobby, collecting and researching WW2 pilots flying logbooks. Iím a massive history nut and a retired RAF helicopter pilot from 5 years ago, now a commercial pilot. I was given a couple of musty old logbooks a few years ago by another commercial pilot here who was about to throw them away and I am so glad he didnít!

They were a pair to a Coastal Command Blenheim pilot (missions over Norway) and subsequently Beaufighters, including missions from Malta and aerial combat over the Bay of Biscay, with several kills before he was reported missing himself. Iíve been researching his history and have only scratched the surface, but Iíve found some really interesting things out about Fg Off RG Stringer and Iíd be happy to post some photos up if anyone is interested, to maybe lead us onto finding out a bit more about him?

I also have a good sized collection of Luftwaffe pilot/aircrew logbooks with some absolutely fascinating entries, including pilots who flew countless JU87, Me109, FW190, Ju88, Ju188, He111, Do17/217 and Me262 missions. Let me know if anyone is interested, if not Iíll get back in my box
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 06:49
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SimonK,
dismantle the box and post away. I am sure our CO , Danny , would agree.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 08:08
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Ah, I see you've already made it to our virtual crew room, Simon. Make yourself at home, sorry about the tea mug, its one of the less chipped ones for what it's worth. As aa62 says, no boxes allowed here to climb into, merely the myriad styles and shapes of battered armchairs to slump into instead. No not that one though, if you don't mind, that's Danny's. He should be along soon, but his seniority in every sense of the word means soon might just be awhile, if you see what I mean.

In the meantime just take a look around. You'll see that the crew room at first sight takes on the appearance of a bog standard WWII Nissen hut, yet somehow has the ability to accommodate all who enter it. The reason is a bit complicated. Suffice it to say that it is all explained by the Black Hole Theory. Most appropriate you might think...
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 08:24
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It was the only time I saw Aden. Not sorry.
Nimrod out of Malta heading eastwards down the Med. checks in with an ATCC at a reporting point, after the ATCC acknowledges the call:
"M***** this is Aeroflot**, have any of your crew served at Aden?" (in perfect English).
Much consternation on board the Nimrod!! The captain asks his crew, one has …
"Aeroflot** M*****, yes, one of my crew has served in Aden".
"M*****, now we know why you left!"
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 08:33
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Geriaviator, your Khormaksar home was very Bauhaus style! If it were in the Home Counties it would now be worth a bomb. Given where it was though it has probably already received one!
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 09:12
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Re Accommodation

My first posting was to RAF Thornhill (5 FTS) S. Rhodesia 1951 - 1953.

Airmen's Billets were named after RAF VC's i.e. Ward, Reid etc. Photo 1 shows outside and Photo 2 inside of one of the Signals Section billets. With sixteen beds per billet, occupancy varied as men were posted in or out.

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Old 26th Sep 2018, 09:25
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Originally Posted by Danny42C View Post
Geriaviator (#12231),

A noble story, marred by one thing - Garland and Gray got VCs. The gunner (I do not know his name) got nothing. He was not part of the decision-making process, and so did not have to be brave to get killed, apparently.

Makes the blood boil.
Only 26 RAF personnel were awarded the VC in WW2 as commemorated in the roll of honour in St Clement Danes - see here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...C-RNAS-RAF.jpg
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 09:28
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I like the picture of The Queen on the locker. Very patriotic lad!
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 09:40
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SimonK (#12326),

Grand (?) Old Man Danny retires early and sleeps late these days, so a bit late in seconding Chugalug's welcome for you into our happy band in our cybercrewroom of nostalgia.

Now I am intensely interested with your logbook of a Ju87 pilot: I can read German with fair ease, and already have:

"CONVERSATIONS WITH A STUKA PILOT
CONFERENCE FEATURING PAUL-WERNER HOZZEL BRIG. GENERAL (RET.)/ GERMAN AIR FORCE AT THE NATIONAL WAR COLLEGE NOVEMBER, 1978"

which I will get round to reading when I have the time.

I shall PM you about the Stuka logbook. As for the rest of your collection, I would suggest that the IWM would be grateful for them.

Danny.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 09:54
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I like the picture of The Queen on the locker. Very patriotic lad!
My pit was not so patriotic. Very small photo of my girlfriend on the locker door. Pinups were tolerated, but were suitably decorous as they were in those days - so nothing too exciting!

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Old 26th Sep 2018, 10:24
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[QUOTE=Warmtoast;10258770]My pit was not so patriotic. Very small photo of my girlfriend on the locker door. Pinups were tolerated, but were suitably decorous as they were in those days - so nothing too exciting![QUOTE]

Is that girlfriend in the singular? She seems to have used a lot of hair colouring!!

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Old 26th Sep 2018, 11:19
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The one on the locker door is fairly consistent.

The barrack blocks are exactly the same as the barrack blocks at RAF Heany or Llewellyn Barracks when I occupied them in 1958.

The same beds, wardrobes and lockers as well
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 13:46
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Originally Posted by Danny42C View Post
SimonK (#12326),

Grand (?) Old Man Danny retires early and sleeps late these days, so a bit late in seconding Chugalug's welcome for you into our happy band in our cybercrewroom of nostalgia.

Now I am intensely interested with your logbook of a Ju87 pilot: I can read German with fair ease, and already have:

"CONVERSATIONS WITH A STUKA PILOT
CONFERENCE FEATURING PAUL-WERNER HOZZEL BRIG. GENERAL (RET.)/ GERMAN AIR FORCE AT THE NATIONAL WAR COLLEGE NOVEMBER, 1978"

which I will get round to reading when I have the time.

I shall PM you about the Stuka logbook. As for the rest of your collection, I would suggest that the IWM would be grateful for them.

Danny.
Hi danny,

Thanks for the contact and it is an honour to speak to you on here sir. I am sorry if my post above was unclear, but I am not looking to get rid of any of my logbooks, I merely meant I would be happy to post scans/photos of any interesting pages for your interest in this thread. As an aside they have cost me a lot of money over the years (the Beaufighter pilots ones are the only ones I didn't pay for!) and many of them are utterly unique....sounds like there is some interest on here so I'll find some interesting bits and post them on this thread. As happens the Ju87 Flugbuch is utterly fascinating, as it covers an intense period of fighting on the Eastern front and the pilot is finally severely wounded after flying well over 200 missions. He writes a huge amount of detail and records gunners of his being killed, attacks on landing craft etc etc. It is written in a pretty unfathomable old fashion way of writing German called 'suetterlin', which is very hard to get translated or indeed read. Luckily a friendly German pilot over at another forum translated it for me, so I'll post some screenshots and explain what he wrote.

Anyway, all the best chaps and thanks for having me here.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 14:09
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Welcome from me too, and a wee request for non-German speakers ... the odd translation (certainly at the outset) woukd be helpful!! We didn’t all do tours in RAFG/2ATAF!!

I get the feeling that Flugbuch thing is a sort of scrapbook, as opposed to a flying logbook?
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[QUOTE=MPN11;10258796][QUOTE=Warmtoast;10258770]My pit was not so patriotic. Very small photo of my girlfriend on the locker door. Pinups were tolerated, but were suitably decorous as they were in those days - so nothing too exciting!

Is that girlfriend in the singular? She seems to have used a lot of hair colouring!!
She was good-looking and as to using a lot of hair colouring I don't think so. I'm the ugly one!

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Old 26th Sep 2018, 17:46
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Oh, bless!
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 18:21
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Welcome from me too, and a wee request for non-German speakers ... the odd translation (certainly at the outset) woukd be helpful!! We didnít all do tours in RAFG/2ATAF!!

I get the feeling that Flugbuch thing is a sort of scrapbook, as opposed to a flying logbook?
Hello mate, not at all, exactly the same as an RAF logbook, although some Flugbuch were filled in by clerks as opposed to pilots/aircrew, What was interesting that the Germans did, that we didnít, was the ďLeistungsbuchĒ . I have one which comes with a matching Flugbuch to a Ju188 pilot and his Leistungsbuch records the detail of the mission he flew, including routing, bombload, enemy encountered etc etc. I guess to find that out in the U.K. youíd have to go into the ORB/F540 and intelligence reports whereas it is all in an individuals book. They are really rare and I only have the one, with a few scans of another one to my Me262 pilot recording his previous career flying Ju88s. Iím away from home at the moment but Iíll see if I can dig out some scans and post them up.
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