'Silly little spectacle'
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"Oh, I see, arrived on time "to the second." Nothing wrong with Irrelevant Aircraft and their planning. Its all you millions of rugby fans who are the problem."
no you muppet what he's saying is the F3's arrived when they were instructed to by the event organisers
they can only go by the instructions they're given
if the F3's turn up when they're told to and the event organisers timings are out, how is that the RAF's fault?
no you muppet what he's saying is the F3's arrived when they were instructed to by the event organisers
they can only go by the instructions they're given
if the F3's turn up when they're told to and the event organisers timings are out, how is that the RAF's fault?
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Most people in the stadium would probably only hear the noise of the jets for a second or two and might (if lucky) catch a fleeting glimpse of the aircraft.
Nice idea to have a flypast in principle, but totally pointless to have one over an enclosed stadium which will take less than half a second to fly over.
Whilst I wouldn't agree with BM's tone, I'd agree it was a waste of time and not required for future matches as it adds nothing to the event.
If the RAF want a bit of PR at such games, send their band or a drill team. At least the spectators might see something and relate to it.
Nice idea to have a flypast in principle, but totally pointless to have one over an enclosed stadium which will take less than half a second to fly over.
Whilst I wouldn't agree with BM's tone, I'd agree it was a waste of time and not required for future matches as it adds nothing to the event.
If the RAF want a bit of PR at such games, send their band or a drill team. At least the spectators might see something and relate to it.
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Dunno.........flyby's....these look OK ish....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfSQT...eature=related
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAgQN...eature=related
oh what was the score anyway....
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAgQN...eature=related
oh what was the score anyway....
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" If the F3's turn up when they're told to and the event organisers timings are out, how is that the RAF's fault?"
Agreed, partly. Its not entirely the RAF's fault. But the RAF should have the PR nous to know that a badly-timed fly-past at an event where fly-past's are a considerable, over-the-top irrelevance is worse than not appearing at all.
They should have had someone in the stadium say 'call it off,' or arranged to do it at halftime, or been stacked to come in earlier, as required.
This is the same RAF that so misunderstands the public it had to cancel its whole Spirit of the Air shows after the very first, abyssmal, show at Abingdon last summer.
" If the F3's turn up when they're told to and the event organisers timings are out, how is that the RAF's fault?"
Agreed, partly. Its not entirely the RAF's fault. But the RAF should have the PR nous to know that a badly-timed fly-past at an event where fly-past's are a considerable, over-the-top irrelevance is worse than not appearing at all.
They should have had someone in the stadium say 'call it off,' or arranged to do it at halftime, or been stacked to come in earlier, as required.
This is the same RAF that so misunderstands the public it had to cancel its whole Spirit of the Air shows after the very first, abyssmal, show at Abingdon last summer.
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Bombedup6. You seem to be 180 out with public opinion. You are bewilderingly critical of the RAF's PR machine.
You have, in the past, questioned the existence of the Red Arrows and provided us with a 'public view' of how mundane they are. If that is what you believe then I would encourage you to visit an airshow this summer. At Kemble last year the small crowd cheered and clapped so loudly that the jet noise was drowned out. The public recognise the Red Arrows as British excellence which promotes the military at home and the UK abroad.
I think you are totally wrong about the Murrayfield flypast. The opportunity to see a front-line jet on display was a magnificent achievement in PR. Brian Moore's comments are irrelevant. For millions of people to see the jet that protects the UK on operations 24 hours a day is great PR and far more impressive than any non-televised event. I would have thought you would have fully supported this?
I partly agree with you about the Abingdon event. Hopefully lessons have been learnt.
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You have, in the past, questioned the existence of the Red Arrows and provided us with a 'public view' of how mundane they are. If that is what you believe then I would encourage you to visit an airshow this summer. At Kemble last year the small crowd cheered and clapped so loudly that the jet noise was drowned out. The public recognise the Red Arrows as British excellence which promotes the military at home and the UK abroad.
I think you are totally wrong about the Murrayfield flypast. The opportunity to see a front-line jet on display was a magnificent achievement in PR. Brian Moore's comments are irrelevant. For millions of people to see the jet that protects the UK on operations 24 hours a day is great PR and far more impressive than any non-televised event. I would have thought you would have fully supported this?
I partly agree with you about the Abingdon event. Hopefully lessons have been learnt.
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Regardless of the pros and cons of an F3 flypast, I'm fed up with the SRFU continualy doing the "Braveheart" rubbish for every International. National Anthems, like EVERBODY ELSE and if you have to, present the Princess Royal.
Forget the rest.
Forget the rest.
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i don't get it
Agreed, partly. Its not entirely the RAF's fault. But the RAF should have the PR nous to know that a badly-timed fly-past at an event where fly-past's are a considerable, over-the-top irrelevance is worse than not appearing at all.
They should have had someone in the stadium say 'call it off,' or arranged to do it at halftime, or been stacked to come in earlier, as required.
They should have had someone in the stadium say 'call it off,' or arranged to do it at halftime, or been stacked to come in earlier, as required.
I don't really understand your point old chap. Are you saying you'd have called it off? And if so, for what reason?
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Does anyone here actually know who organised the flypast?
Did Murrayfield or the SRFU contact the 'local' RAF station across the water and make the request for a flypast to add a bit of something different to their rugby extravaganza
OR
Did the RAF PR machine ring up and say please, please can we bring a whole load of people in at the weekend to provide a 3 second overhead flypast for an international rugby match?
OR
Did someone at said RAF Station get offered a few freebie tickets in return?
Did Murrayfield or the SRFU contact the 'local' RAF station across the water and make the request for a flypast to add a bit of something different to their rugby extravaganza
OR
Did the RAF PR machine ring up and say please, please can we bring a whole load of people in at the weekend to provide a 3 second overhead flypast for an international rugby match?
OR
Did someone at said RAF Station get offered a few freebie tickets in return?
"The INTRODUCER"
Silly little row
An ill-conceived idea leading to an ill-conceived remark. Best forgotten.
Sometimes flypasts work, sometimes they don't.
Sometimes flypasts work, sometimes they don't.
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Regardless of the pros and cons of an F3 flypast, I'm fed up with the SRFU continualy doing the "Braveheart" rubbish for every International. National Anthems, like EVERBODY ELSE and if you have to, present the Princess Royal.
BTW, well done Scotland on your win. Oooooh, that was painful !
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Could always post a comment to him through his website ...
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The thing about flypasts is that timing has to be perfect - on the part of ALL concerned. How do you control the timing of two rugby teams, sundry officials, event organisers, bands, the media and 70,000 spectators? Did they all synchronise watches on "hack"? How much rehersal did the aforesaid thousands do in order to time their activities so that everything could be co-ordinated to the second?
The last time I did a flypast was at a the end of a BoB cocktail party. The band was playing The Last Post, the RAF Ensign on the flagpole in front of the mess was being lowered in time with it, and just as the Ensign hit the bottom the band played the last note and we arrived spot on, fast and low, from behind the assembled mess members, guests and dignitaries and pulled up into the night sky with burners lit. Those assembled said it was very impressive and brought a lump to the throat and a tear to the eye. But it had taken planning and co-ordination and split-second timing between the bandmaster, the SWO, ATC and ourselves.
The last time I did a flypast was at a the end of a BoB cocktail party. The band was playing The Last Post, the RAF Ensign on the flagpole in front of the mess was being lowered in time with it, and just as the Ensign hit the bottom the band played the last note and we arrived spot on, fast and low, from behind the assembled mess members, guests and dignitaries and pulled up into the night sky with burners lit. Those assembled said it was very impressive and brought a lump to the throat and a tear to the eye. But it had taken planning and co-ordination and split-second timing between the bandmaster, the SWO, ATC and ourselves.
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A fly past for an audience in a stadium? What a daft idea. And if it was late and thus delayed the game (the reason that the people were there in the first place) then yes I can understand people frustration. It should have been cancelled.
Perhaps an AAC Apache landing in the stadium pirouetting around whilst aiming the locking onto various objects with the gun and then delivering the match ball would have been a bit more of a spectacle and would have hammered home the "by the way, we are fighting a couple of wars" message.
Yes the commentator made an unfortunate comment as it was on national tv, but he was only voicing what many were probably thinking.
Perhaps an AAC Apache landing in the stadium pirouetting around whilst aiming the locking onto various objects with the gun and then delivering the match ball would have been a bit more of a spectacle and would have hammered home the "by the way, we are fighting a couple of wars" message.
Yes the commentator made an unfortunate comment as it was on national tv, but he was only voicing what many were probably thinking.
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Serf,
As no one else wants to post it I will:
15 - 9 in Scotland's favour.
BTW, thanks to the Tornado crews for the late (ish) flypast. On a positive note dear Jonny was just that little bit wetter and colder. Spoiled his whole day I think
As no one else wants to post it I will:
15 - 9 in Scotland's favour.
BTW, thanks to the Tornado crews for the late (ish) flypast. On a positive note dear Jonny was just that little bit wetter and colder. Spoiled his whole day I think