UCL Bans Military Recruitment
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UCL Bans Military Recruitment
Im completely outraged. Shame on you UCL for letting this happen.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1770&ct=5
and from the morons themselves:
http://www.uclunion.org/general/down...psoutofucl.doc
RBuzzer.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1770&ct=5
and from the morons themselves:
http://www.uclunion.org/general/down...psoutofucl.doc
RBuzzer.
We used to get similar nonsense from certain Colleges when I was involved in UAS recruiting.
So, if we ever got a refusal, I used to write to the Student Union in question stating that "We regret your unwillingness to allow your students their own freedom of choice in a democratic society".
In those days it was often gay liberationists and the odd trendy lefty who tired to dictate their views to the Union; however, these days it is probable that the troublemakers come from other sections of what I hesitate to call 'society'.
So, if we ever got a refusal, I used to write to the Student Union in question stating that "We regret your unwillingness to allow your students their own freedom of choice in a democratic society".
In those days it was often gay liberationists and the odd trendy lefty who tired to dictate their views to the Union; however, these days it is probable that the troublemakers come from other sections of what I hesitate to call 'society'.
To be fair to UCL, it's not the College that has imposed a ban, but the SU which has banned to OTC from the Freshers' Fair(e - why they insist on the e in the motion is beyond me). Not unprecedented, if somewhat disappointing and possibly not representative of the views of the student body as a whole; the motion was passed at an AGM, apparently packed with left wing groups supported by the Islamic Society; a motion "twinning" with 2 Palestinian universities was also passed. As the meeting was only held on Wednesday no minutes are yet available online, so I'm going by the report on Educationet by a poster with the handle UCLleftie. the fact that it would be relatively easy to pack was no doubt highlighted by the fact the meeting was reconvened after an attempt at an AGM in Feb was inquorate.
My point is don't tar the college or all of its students with the same brush as the politically active minority.
My point is don't tar the college or all of its students with the same brush as the politically active minority.
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What a bunch of pinko-leftie, sandal-wearing, tofu-eating ws.
Proposer:
Sham Rajyaguru SSEES
Seconders:
Edward Hood History
Rachel Page SSEES
Tom Elliot SSEES
Arabel Luscombe SSEES
Alex Jordan History
Sara Hall Hebrew & Jewish St.
Craig Griffiths German
Simon Bull Philosophy
Maggie Gray History of Art
Michael Barnett SSEES
Shame on you all. I hope you never need to depend on any of HM Forces personnel for your very existance, for I fear they will leave you to your fate.
s.Proposer:
Sham Rajyaguru SSEES
Seconders:
Edward Hood History
Rachel Page SSEES
Tom Elliot SSEES
Arabel Luscombe SSEES
Alex Jordan History
Sara Hall Hebrew & Jewish St.
Craig Griffiths German
Simon Bull Philosophy
Maggie Gray History of Art
Michael Barnett SSEES
Shame on you all. I hope you never need to depend on any of HM Forces personnel for your very existance, for I fear they will leave you to your fate.
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Don't take it too seriously. It is just the immature posturing of youth in their first experience of intelectual freedom. Remember that the Oxford Union voted just before WW2 that under no circumstances would they ever fight for King or Country. A few years later they helped save the World!
So, proposed by someone studying at the School of Slavonic and East European Studies.
And supported by 4 other SSEES students, 2 reading History, 1 reading History of Art, 1 reading Hebrew and Jewish studies, 1 reading philosophy and 1 reading German.
You would have thought that at least some of them would have understood the concept of democracy and the right of free expression.....
And supported by 4 other SSEES students, 2 reading History, 1 reading History of Art, 1 reading Hebrew and Jewish studies, 1 reading philosophy and 1 reading German.
You would have thought that at least some of them would have understood the concept of democracy and the right of free expression.....
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...you would also have hoped that these supposedly educated individuals would be able to state their edict in grammatically correct english. Let's hope that the remaining student body is aware that this pathetic bunch has taken their name in vain with a rather feeble and ill-educated decision; perhaps they can educate Mr Rajyaguru on the use of the apostrophe while they're at it?
BEagle's comment is spot on; the irony of a lefty SU banning free speech is priceless!
BEagle's comment is spot on; the irony of a lefty SU banning free speech is priceless!
Pro Studewrote:
Happily of course, he's quite wrong. As another thread shows, our servicemen and women are a cut above the wankers referred to here.
Long may that continue.
CG
(who at 51, is in awe of what our young service personnel do day in, day out in our name)
Shame on you all. I hope you never need to depend on any of HM Forces personnel for your very existance, for I fear they will leave you to your fate.
Long may that continue.
CG
(who at 51, is in awe of what our young service personnel do day in, day out in our name)
looking at the way youngsters generally think, will probably have the opposite effect !!! By voting to ban they've probably made it 'cool' , so probably will help recruitment !!!
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Same sort of carp at Manchester Uni and UMIST 15 years ago; we got round it somehow and finished up with a fine bunch of students, several of whom have gone on to worthwhile careers in the RAF, despite the petty snivelling and obstruction of their SU at the time
They lost me at:
Who do they think our men and women in Afghanistan are fighting? Do they not believe that AQ is a threat to national security, and that as such our presence in Afghanistan is a matter 'of national defence'?
Numpties.
As such, Officer Training Corps cadets constitute a reserve military force which along with other reserve forces, enable the government to engage in a more aggressive foreign policy, deploying its active forces abroad rather than needing to employ active forces in national defense
Numpties.
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Forgive the intrusion from a long time lurker, but;
I recognise the name 'Sham Rajyaguru' as an ex-sea cadet who used to frequent the forums at aircadetcentral.net to inject socialist ramblings...
I recognise the name 'Sham Rajyaguru' as an ex-sea cadet who used to frequent the forums at aircadetcentral.net to inject socialist ramblings...
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Good to see the proponents of this movement are all availing themselves of the basket-weaving courses at UCL. Heaven forfend that they should require an understanding of politics!
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Lurker here for a long time... and a UCL student too. Also had a great time on ULAS for the three years I was there.
The only reason the motion got passed is because of SWP/Stop-the-War collusion with a sympathetic chairperson. Basically, a lot of the opposers to this motion walked out because they got pissed off at the conduct of the meeting.
Rest assured, liberal-minded students at UCL are working to revoke this piece of Union bollocks that appeases to the far right.
The only reason the motion got passed is because of SWP/Stop-the-War collusion with a sympathetic chairperson. Basically, a lot of the opposers to this motion walked out because they got pissed off at the conduct of the meeting.
Rest assured, liberal-minded students at UCL are working to revoke this piece of Union bollocks that appeases to the far right.
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This is a battle played out across many universities in the UK, more normally with respect to involvement of the defence industry in terms of funding. (UCLU already seem to have passed a motion to do this, but so far UCL have told them to f*** off...)
What you tend to find is such motions are unsuccessful as engineering and science students (who normally couldn't give a damn about student politics) are capable of mobilising large numbers of people quickly.
I know of one example (not at Bristol) where such a motion was introduced by stealth. The faculty of engineering students were able to raise hundreds of students within a couple of hours who marched on the meeting and 'made their displeasure felt'.
Certainly there's a general feeling that such students will not stand for pathetic time wasting lefties with too much spare time getting in the way of their lives.
More generally when these things sneak through you'll find that the silent of majority of students will move to oppose the supporters on an overwhelming scale.
Sadly large parts of the UCLU site seem to be suffering some sort of overload/denial of service attack at the moment so I can't look into this in more detail.
What you tend to find is such motions are unsuccessful as engineering and science students (who normally couldn't give a damn about student politics) are capable of mobilising large numbers of people quickly.
I know of one example (not at Bristol) where such a motion was introduced by stealth. The faculty of engineering students were able to raise hundreds of students within a couple of hours who marched on the meeting and 'made their displeasure felt'.
Certainly there's a general feeling that such students will not stand for pathetic time wasting lefties with too much spare time getting in the way of their lives.
More generally when these things sneak through you'll find that the silent of majority of students will move to oppose the supporters on an overwhelming scale.
Sadly large parts of the UCLU site seem to be suffering some sort of overload/denial of service attack at the moment so I can't look into this in more detail.