British Commandos sent home in disgrace
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British Commandos sent home in disgrace
I don't care what the Army does behind closed doors, but these boys have stepped over the line.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1811&ct=5
Daily Mail link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1811&ct=5
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These guys clearly don't understand the 'rules' of a Naked Bar.
Convention dictates that after stripping naked, the participants continue drinking/talking/etc as if nothing was out of the ordinary. No reference should be made (by the participants) to the fact that they are naked and their behaviour should be no different to when they were clothed. It seems that these chaps were not aware of this!
Not sure that a civvy bar in a foreign country is the place to conduct such an event though, even when observing the above rules!
Convention dictates that after stripping naked, the participants continue drinking/talking/etc as if nothing was out of the ordinary. No reference should be made (by the participants) to the fact that they are naked and their behaviour should be no different to when they were clothed. It seems that these chaps were not aware of this!
Not sure that a civvy bar in a foreign country is the place to conduct such an event though, even when observing the above rules!
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Particularly poor form to do it in a country where generally speaking they still like us.....
Though the reports seem to suggest that any affection for the Brits is eroding anyway.
Though the reports seem to suggest that any affection for the Brits is eroding anyway.
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Its traditionally a Bootneck thing Pops and done in good jest (in my experience) and received well too. But then again, the Royals always did have slightly suss habits, such as dressing up as women in the block. Must be a ship thing.
Problem is, the Booties know when are where to do it, and they do it with style (well, with as much style as one can muster, standing in the snug with bollocks like a mountain goat after 3 months in the Arctic Circle). These guys are army though, and they don't know the craic.
Another harmless tradition down the pan now that someone will seek to stamp it out.
Problem is, the Booties know when are where to do it, and they do it with style (well, with as much style as one can muster, standing in the snug with bollocks like a mountain goat after 3 months in the Arctic Circle). These guys are army though, and they don't know the craic.
Another harmless tradition down the pan now that someone will seek to stamp it out.
Whilst high spirits and letting off steam after hard training is entirely to unexpected, there must be some limits. Not limits enforced by outsiders, but limits instilled during training and everyday unit life.
This lot went too far. Whether this was an isolated incident or is becoming more commonplace, the fact that it took place at all is disturbing.
'Naked bar' - why is that ever acceptable? Whether 'done in style' or not.
Anyway, I'm sure that the follow up action will be appropriate.
I hope this does not sully the overall reputation of the UK Armed Forces in Norway - or anywhere else, for that matter.
This lot went too far. Whether this was an isolated incident or is becoming more commonplace, the fact that it took place at all is disturbing.
'Naked bar' - why is that ever acceptable? Whether 'done in style' or not.
Anyway, I'm sure that the follow up action will be appropriate.
I hope this does not sully the overall reputation of the UK Armed Forces in Norway - or anywhere else, for that matter.
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The payrise after completing the all arms course must be fantastic if an private soldier can afford to get that drunk in Norway. Have you seen the beer prices?
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The payrise after completing the all arms course must be fantastic if an private soldier can afford to get that drunk in Norway. Have you seen the beer prices?
Local police were called, and handed spot fines of £500 to each of the men before handing them over to the Royal Military Police.
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They still would have had their togs with them if they stripped off in the bar. Credit cards maybe?
Either way, 500 quid is quite a bit of dosh if they were forced to pay it.
Not good though. I think this is quite a good answer to those who scream 'National Serrvice!' when stories of drunk Brits on the rampage in council estates emerge. Do the armed forces really want more of this sort of soldier?
But I've digressed!
Either way, 500 quid is quite a bit of dosh if they were forced to pay it.
Not good though. I think this is quite a good answer to those who scream 'National Serrvice!' when stories of drunk Brits on the rampage in council estates emerge. Do the armed forces really want more of this sort of soldier?
But I've digressed!
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We train people to kill, and then tut tut when they have the audacity to doff shreddies. I remember some pompous, shiny arsed guano asking just why there was a need to get hammered and do silly things whenwe had just spent a week or so doing training in bayonet fighting, Close Quarter Battle and Operating in a Built Up Area at Son of Imber. Yes, the pi$$ing bit is nasty, but the average Royal Marine (these were 'just' Cdo, Royal Engineers I know) is intelligent, articulate and thoughtful.
He is also independantly minded and this is his way of letting off steam and establishing Esprit de Corps, just as some might flex paper clips straight, to ease the tension of a long day sitting on their arse. The average Royal is also a bit tasty, so be careful. I remember a cartoon of Jim Callghan handing the phone over to Dennis Healey and saying; "You want to disband the Royal Marines? Fine. Then you tell 'em".
I won't condone daft behaviour in public, and this particular incident seems tasteless at best. But two things strike me here; firstly, the need for a balanced and thoughtful response that isn't a gross overreaction and result in some sort of moral computer based training for those concerned, and secondly.. I wonder if the Norgies would have minded as much when the Russians were coming?
Finally, its a bit sanctimonious for anyone in the Armed Forces to question the morality of another member of the Armed Forces. We all joined up to do a tasteless job at the end of the day, and we all have our own ways of doing things, operating and traditions that we might not understand. But what's with the intolerance thing? Like it or not, this is their culture and normally, its done in bars where the locals don't mind, there are no water sports and know about it beforehand, sometimes even for charity. We should be careful that we don't turn everything into a grey soup of politically correct blandness.
Personally, I think burning pianos is a crime against mother earth.. adding to all that global warming, well, its just plain awful.
He is also independantly minded and this is his way of letting off steam and establishing Esprit de Corps, just as some might flex paper clips straight, to ease the tension of a long day sitting on their arse. The average Royal is also a bit tasty, so be careful. I remember a cartoon of Jim Callghan handing the phone over to Dennis Healey and saying; "You want to disband the Royal Marines? Fine. Then you tell 'em".
I won't condone daft behaviour in public, and this particular incident seems tasteless at best. But two things strike me here; firstly, the need for a balanced and thoughtful response that isn't a gross overreaction and result in some sort of moral computer based training for those concerned, and secondly.. I wonder if the Norgies would have minded as much when the Russians were coming?
Finally, its a bit sanctimonious for anyone in the Armed Forces to question the morality of another member of the Armed Forces. We all joined up to do a tasteless job at the end of the day, and we all have our own ways of doing things, operating and traditions that we might not understand. But what's with the intolerance thing? Like it or not, this is their culture and normally, its done in bars where the locals don't mind, there are no water sports and know about it beforehand, sometimes even for charity. We should be careful that we don't turn everything into a grey soup of politically correct blandness.
Personally, I think burning pianos is a crime against mother earth.. adding to all that global warming, well, its just plain awful.
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Whenever I have participated in Naked Bar it was always away from the public. NAAFI's, private hire rugby clubs, Sitang camp, on site BBQ's etc as well as funnily enough the NAAFI at Harstad (including forfeits of throwing yourself into a snowdrift etc).
Never in public, one thing that we always did was police ourselves whilst ashore. I've been sent home with a few kindly words from a senior marine / cpl when I couldn't handle my drink and was being a **** and I have also on occasion called a 'taxi for one' when I was able to help an oppo out and stop him getting picked up by shore patrol in Aya Napa when he was being a drunken nob.
Yes naked bar is a bootneck thing but it's also a rugby club thing as well , but lets not start connecting the corps with this bunch of idiots please?
You will note that the whole naked roll mat fighting thing from a year ago happened on a base and shouldn't have got into the public domain. It was only because one person had a camera phone with them that this kind of thing became common knowledge.
Never in public, one thing that we always did was police ourselves whilst ashore. I've been sent home with a few kindly words from a senior marine / cpl when I couldn't handle my drink and was being a **** and I have also on occasion called a 'taxi for one' when I was able to help an oppo out and stop him getting picked up by shore patrol in Aya Napa when he was being a drunken nob.
Yes naked bar is a bootneck thing but it's also a rugby club thing as well , but lets not start connecting the corps with this bunch of idiots please?
You will note that the whole naked roll mat fighting thing from a year ago happened on a base and shouldn't have got into the public domain. It was only because one person had a camera phone with them that this kind of thing became common knowledge.
