MoD fury as Brown wields axe
We couldn't wear white... we need a very potent symbol. I'm not so sure that the RBL would like their poppy used for political purposes, but an equally powerful symbol would do the trick, methinks
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Beatrix...if you wear a "white poppy", then I am rapidly going in the opposite direction...[as an aside, we had a Visiting Minister at our Church on Rememberance Sunday...and "Politically Pushed" the White Poppy 
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We couldn't wear white... we need a very potent symbol. I'm not so sure that the RBL would like their poppy used for political purposes, but an equally powerful symbol would do the trick, methinks.
Replace the base ball cap with a battle bowler and everyone just happened to have a pick helv, an old metal type dustbin lid (aka NI shield) and an S10 handy....... might make for an 'interesting' day out
How about shaming this govt rabble with a mass march, all in suits and RAF ties - about the closest thing you would get to a Regimental uniform. Walk down Whitehall to No 10 and form up before having an about turn to face away from Downing St and the MOD.
It would be a powerful statement of how exactly we felt about the Govt and if done peacefully would shame the Govt - especially if they sent the heavy mob in to break it up.
I seem to remember a group of veterans turning their backs on a dignitary in a parade not so long ago which got an awful lot of publicity for their dignified way of embarrassing said dignitary.
It would be a powerful statement of how exactly we felt about the Govt and if done peacefully would shame the Govt - especially if they sent the heavy mob in to break it up.
I seem to remember a group of veterans turning their backs on a dignitary in a parade not so long ago which got an awful lot of publicity for their dignified way of embarrassing said dignitary.
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Ok then, make the march happen. It's about time everyone who cares for the Armed Forces and the security of our country did such a thing.I'm in; just tell me where and when.....I'll bring a bloody great bus load!
I want a secure country for my sprogs to live in. Under this bunch of near-do-wells security is under serious threat.
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Perhaps the sartorial addition for the 'march' should be a piece of string knotted around the arm. This used to be worn as a reminder that something needed to be done.
Perhaps the symbolism is relevant to not just the politicians but also the great mass of the public who are complicit in their ostrich-like ignorance of the fact that we are in a real shooting war which, whilst remote, is of direct consequence to their safety both today and far into the future.
You don't need to march, but EVERY supporter in the Army/Navy Match at Twickenham needs to wear that string and the minute kick off occurs the roar of the crowd should extinguish to pin-drop silence for one minute. The coverage would be truly global.
But there again how widespread is the discontent, is it just the serial ranters of PPRUNE, Rum Ration ans ARRSE who make a large ripple in an extremely small fish pond?
Perhaps the symbolism is relevant to not just the politicians but also the great mass of the public who are complicit in their ostrich-like ignorance of the fact that we are in a real shooting war which, whilst remote, is of direct consequence to their safety both today and far into the future.
You don't need to march, but EVERY supporter in the Army/Navy Match at Twickenham needs to wear that string and the minute kick off occurs the roar of the crowd should extinguish to pin-drop silence for one minute. The coverage would be truly global.
But there again how widespread is the discontent, is it just the serial ranters of PPRUNE, Rum Ration ans ARRSE who make a large ripple in an extremely small fish pond?
> But there again how widespread is the discontent, is it just the serial
> ranters of PPRUNE, Rum Ration ans ARRSE who make a large ripple in an
> extremely small fish pond?
I have spent a maximum of about 24 hours total standing on MoD property, and even I'm beginning to question the "cuts plus deployments" approach, although 232 Typhoons seems positively generous.
If you go to a nursing forum you will hear similar things being said about the NHS, which also holds people's lives in the palm of its hand, and the RNLI was never even government funded in the first place. You aren't alone, not that that makes it right.
In a wider sense you could go to a BECTU meeting and listen in on griping about the precipitous decline of television in this country, previously a world-leading national asset. Given all this, it's hard to shake the impression that the place is turning nationally to cack.
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> ranters of PPRUNE, Rum Ration ans ARRSE who make a large ripple in an
> extremely small fish pond?
I have spent a maximum of about 24 hours total standing on MoD property, and even I'm beginning to question the "cuts plus deployments" approach, although 232 Typhoons seems positively generous.
If you go to a nursing forum you will hear similar things being said about the NHS, which also holds people's lives in the palm of its hand, and the RNLI was never even government funded in the first place. You aren't alone, not that that makes it right.
In a wider sense you could go to a BECTU meeting and listen in on griping about the precipitous decline of television in this country, previously a world-leading national asset. Given all this, it's hard to shake the impression that the place is turning nationally to cack.
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Given all this, it's hard to shake the impression that the place is turning nationally to cack.
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right off to make some phonecalls to start organising getting information as to starting the march and will do tentative draft for petition. will get back to you later.
i do, however, need help with spreading the word amongst those of you who serve and will be affected by this. i need you to guage real interest rather than turning up with about 20 of us but even so we can still give out a strong message! please PM me, if any ideas.
be back later.
i do, however, need help with spreading the word amongst those of you who serve and will be affected by this. i need you to guage real interest rather than turning up with about 20 of us but even so we can still give out a strong message! please PM me, if any ideas.
be back later.
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Yellow.
We can't wear white. Red, maybe. Uniforms are out of the question... but yellow.
Brown the coward??
I could also paint my Spitfire yellow for the occasion...
We can't wear white. Red, maybe. Uniforms are out of the question... but yellow.
Brown the coward??
I could also paint my Spitfire yellow for the occasion...
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There is interest on ARRSE as well!
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/.../start=30.html
Let's go for it! How about a "broken covenant" as a symbol?
A parchment scroll torn in two?
Those who have PVRd can take a copy of their attestation/commissioning scroll and tear it up at the gates of No 10 or in Parliament Square!
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/.../start=30.html
Let's go for it! How about a "broken covenant" as a symbol?
A parchment scroll torn in two?
Those who have PVRd can take a copy of their attestation/commissioning scroll and tear it up at the gates of No 10 or in Parliament Square!
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My dearest Dan, the UK needs a whole new regime of government!!
JessTheDog: I hate to say that the collective ignorance of the British public that feed on media stories of celebrity won't get the relevance of the parchment. Although the symbolic tearing in Parliament Square is worth a shot.
We need a band to march with us. That would bring the traffic to a halt.
JessTheDog: I hate to say that the collective ignorance of the British public that feed on media stories of celebrity won't get the relevance of the parchment. Although the symbolic tearing in Parliament Square is worth a shot.
We need a band to march with us. That would bring the traffic to a halt.
Not wanting to rain on anyone's parade, as it were, but serving personnel need to consider QRs, in particular:
J1012. Political Activities- General. Sponsor: DP&T Discip Pol (RAF)
(1) Regular Service personnel are not to take an active part in the affairs of any political organisation, party or movement. They are not to participate in political marches or demonstrations.
'Twas ever thus...
J1012. Political Activities- General. Sponsor: DP&T Discip Pol (RAF)
(1) Regular Service personnel are not to take an active part in the affairs of any political organisation, party or movement. They are not to participate in political marches or demonstrations.
'Twas ever thus...