Block 3 SuperHornet set to be better than Eurofighter in every way?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: your mother's bedroom
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Block 3 SuperHornet set to be better than Eurofighter in every way?
Comment on this if you could, please...
>>Guys SH may be a bit of a slouch in raw performance terms, but the block two is a far better BVR performer than allmost all of its contemporaries, including the Eurofighter. Its radar/missile combo and EW suite are practically world beaters and it is also a better strike platform. Whats goint to serve you better in BVR? Higher sprint speed or better instentainious turn rate? Or one of the best LPI radar systems operational anyware, arguably the most sophistocated EW/EWSP suite on a fighter, and some LO cahrecteristics? F/A-18E/F Bk II would shoot down a European made aircraft long before they ever merged. And even if they did, how much is maneuver going to help you when your facing an AIM 9X with its kinematic performance and off broadsight capability???
>>Just you wait until Block 3 joins the fleet in 2009. The Eurofighter will never know what hit it WVR. The main upgrade will be a full 25% increase in installed thrust (up from 44,000 to 55,000 pounds of thrust), for little or no increase in engine weight or SFC, through the use of advanced fan designs, materials, and construction techniques. This will pretty completely make up for any deficiencies in acceleration, top speed, rate of climb, and instantaneous/sustained maneuvering that the old Super Hornets might have had (what I've read says it was the equal of any -402 equipped F/A-18C up to Mach 1 in level flight).
>>yeah, the SH with the upgrade is going to have T/W to spare, beyond even what Eagles dream of, roughly 1.25 at full fuel (Eagle around 1.13, Raptor around 1.27). Its going to be a top shelf airplane as far as non VLO is concerned
Is European aviation, ultimately, doomed?
>>Guys SH may be a bit of a slouch in raw performance terms, but the block two is a far better BVR performer than allmost all of its contemporaries, including the Eurofighter. Its radar/missile combo and EW suite are practically world beaters and it is also a better strike platform. Whats goint to serve you better in BVR? Higher sprint speed or better instentainious turn rate? Or one of the best LPI radar systems operational anyware, arguably the most sophistocated EW/EWSP suite on a fighter, and some LO cahrecteristics? F/A-18E/F Bk II would shoot down a European made aircraft long before they ever merged. And even if they did, how much is maneuver going to help you when your facing an AIM 9X with its kinematic performance and off broadsight capability???
>>Just you wait until Block 3 joins the fleet in 2009. The Eurofighter will never know what hit it WVR. The main upgrade will be a full 25% increase in installed thrust (up from 44,000 to 55,000 pounds of thrust), for little or no increase in engine weight or SFC, through the use of advanced fan designs, materials, and construction techniques. This will pretty completely make up for any deficiencies in acceleration, top speed, rate of climb, and instantaneous/sustained maneuvering that the old Super Hornets might have had (what I've read says it was the equal of any -402 equipped F/A-18C up to Mach 1 in level flight).
>>yeah, the SH with the upgrade is going to have T/W to spare, beyond even what Eagles dream of, roughly 1.25 at full fuel (Eagle around 1.13, Raptor around 1.27). Its going to be a top shelf airplane as far as non VLO is concerned
Is European aviation, ultimately, doomed?
It's too early in the morning to be chuckling this hard.....
Yes, the phoon is not all together and that is a travesty given how long the project has been running, and thus a block 3 superhornet, which is the pinnacle of that aircraft's design (much like the -15E/various recent exports) might well better than the current typhoon.
But some might say it's worth looking at the longer view past the next 2 years....
Yes, the phoon is not all together and that is a travesty given how long the project has been running, and thus a block 3 superhornet, which is the pinnacle of that aircraft's design (much like the -15E/various recent exports) might well better than the current typhoon.
But some might say it's worth looking at the longer view past the next 2 years....
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: RAF Lincolnshire
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not much solid substance in the first post. No mention of a comparison of tactics, pilot training or future development of the Typhoon project.
Give the Typhoon guys a little more time & let them bring the jet up to it's full potential before trying to trash it. Anyone who has is working with Typhoon knows how good it is.
Give the Typhoon guys a little more time & let them bring the jet up to it's full potential before trying to trash it. Anyone who has is working with Typhoon knows how good it is.
Last edited by Never Alert; 1st Jan 2008 at 11:19.
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Devon, England
Posts: 816
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Obviously taken off some Yank forum looking at the wording and the replies which stand out in your head like "Yeah, you wait dude, you Europeans will have your ass kicked" type of thread.
I'm sure there are plenty of upgrades that could be done to the Typhoon but the UK simply won't do it on grounds of cost. You'll probably find later on down the line that the UK Typhoons will be of lower spec than those of our European friends that use the Typhoons of which will probably find the funds to upgrade the Typhoon (engine etc) in a few years time.
I'm sure there are plenty of upgrades that could be done to the Typhoon but the UK simply won't do it on grounds of cost. You'll probably find later on down the line that the UK Typhoons will be of lower spec than those of our European friends that use the Typhoons of which will probably find the funds to upgrade the Typhoon (engine etc) in a few years time.
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: London
Posts: 223
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Typhoon Upgrades
Interesting question. Will those Typhoon countries which are also getting F35 (UK, Italy) bother to fully fund upgrades to the Typhoons, or spend whatever upgrade money they have on their F35s? And will Germany/Austria/Spain/Saudi be willing to fund upgrades without the other 2?
Spot the Difference:
Compare
With
And:
With:
(source for second quotes: http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=P...topic&p=115344; my emphasis added in 2nd quotes)
Seems to me that someone's done a spot of judicious cut and pasting with minor alteration to indulge in some New Year Typhoon bashing. Or cr@p, time-wasting plagiarism for the purpose of trolling, if you're being less charitable.
Compare
Guys SH may be a bit of a slouch in raw performance terms, but the block two is a far better BVR performer than allmost all of its contemporaries, including the Eurofighter. Its radar/missile combo and EW suite are practically world beaters and it is also a better strike platform. Whats goint to serve you better in BVR? Higher sprint speed or better instentainious turn rate? Or one of the best LPI radar systems operational anyware, arguably the most sophistocated EW/EWSP suite on a fighter, and some LO cahrecteristics? F/A-18E/F Bk II would shoot down a European made aircraft long before they ever merged. And even if they did, how much is maneuver going to help you when your facing an AIM 9X with its kinematic performance and off broadsight capability???
Guys SH may be a bit of a slouch in raw performance terms, but the block two is a far better BVR performer than allmost all of its contemporaries, including the cat. Its radar/missile combo and EW suite are practically world beaters and it is also a better strike platform. Whats goint to serve you better in BVR? Higher sprint speed or better instentainious turn rate? Or one of the best LPI radar systems operational anyware, arguably the most sophistocated EW/EWSP suite on a fighter, and some LO cahrecteristics? F/A-18E/F Bk II would shoot down a viper long before they ever merged. And even if they did, how much is maneuver going to help you when your facing an AIM 9X with its kinematic performance and off broadsight capability???
Just you wait until Block 3 joins the fleet in 2009. The Eurofighter will never know what hit it WVR. The main upgrade will be a full 25% increase in installed thrust (up from 44,000 to 55,000 pounds of thrust), for little or no increase in engine weight or SFC, through the use of advanced fan designs, materials, and construction techniques. This will pretty completely make up for any deficiencies in acceleration, top speed, rate of climb, and instantaneous/sustained maneuvering that the old Super Hornets might have had (what I've read says it was the equal of any -402 equipped F/A-18C up to Mach 1 in level flight).
Oh Hudge, just you wait until Block 3 joins the fleet in 2009. The F-16 will never know what hit it WVR. The main upgrade will be a full 25% increase in installed thrust (up from 44,000 to 55,000 pounds of thrust), for little or no increase in engine weight or SFC, through the use of advanced fan designs, materials, and construction techniques. This will pretty completely make up for any deficiencies in acceleration, top speed, rate of climb, and instantaneous/sustained maneuvering that the old Super Hornets might have had (what I've read says it was the equal of any -402 equipped F/A-18C up to Mach 1 in level flight).
Seems to me that someone's done a spot of judicious cut and pasting with minor alteration to indulge in some New Year Typhoon bashing. Or cr@p, time-wasting plagiarism for the purpose of trolling, if you're being less charitable.
It looks like it's a spotter/troll who really should get mummy to send him to bed earlier.
You should read L-M's previous contributions to the forum about Typhoon (accesible through his profile). They have a.... ummmmm.... slightly surreal quality to them.
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Devon, England
Posts: 816
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Or stroking my mum looking at his current location 
At the end of the day, Typhoon in it's different tranche guises will be upgraded throughout its life with more expensive and better technology and perhaps those uprated engines that have been talked about for years.
At the end of the day, the Typhoon won't be coming up against the F/A-18E/F Block 'whatever' and this thread was started in yet another attempt on the "what country has the best plane" and a slagging off match against the Typhoon as usual.
Although the Typhoon looks cack in it's current grey scheme it is a remarkable aircraft (no matter what the anti-Typhoo crew say).
At the end of the day, Typhoon in it's different tranche guises will be upgraded throughout its life with more expensive and better technology and perhaps those uprated engines that have been talked about for years.
At the end of the day, the Typhoon won't be coming up against the F/A-18E/F Block 'whatever' and this thread was started in yet another attempt on the "what country has the best plane" and a slagging off match against the Typhoon as usual.
Although the Typhoon looks cack in it's current grey scheme it is a remarkable aircraft (no matter what the anti-Typhoo crew say).
LO calls bull
.
LM (or to be charitable, the f-16.net poster) is a muppet.
There has been informal discussion of a "Block 3" Rhino, mainly offering improvements in stealth. However, there's nothing to indicate that anything like a 25 per cent thrust boost (and has any engine ever seen a one-step 25 per cent thrust boost with the same airflow?) anywhere in the roadmap; nor, absent something radical like ADVENT, could it be done without affecting SFC. And nothing beyond the Block 2 Plus (current aircraft with some comms improvements) is even in the SH roadmap, let alone funded, let alone due to reach the fleet until 2009.
Unless, that is, the entire published roadmap is a cover for a black-world Block 3 that nobody has heard about, but the probability of such a thing has to be in the 0.000001 level.
.LM (or to be charitable, the f-16.net poster) is a muppet.
There has been informal discussion of a "Block 3" Rhino, mainly offering improvements in stealth. However, there's nothing to indicate that anything like a 25 per cent thrust boost (and has any engine ever seen a one-step 25 per cent thrust boost with the same airflow?) anywhere in the roadmap; nor, absent something radical like ADVENT, could it be done without affecting SFC. And nothing beyond the Block 2 Plus (current aircraft with some comms improvements) is even in the SH roadmap, let alone funded, let alone due to reach the fleet until 2009.
Unless, that is, the entire published roadmap is a cover for a black-world Block 3 that nobody has heard about, but the probability of such a thing has to be in the 0.000001 level.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 1,771
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re. 'Like Minded's' interesting post, I'm intrigued as to what ' Kinematic' performance is, presumably when combined with ' off broadsight' capabability this is something which would be really impressive in an I-Max cinema... ( and look how they're so successful they're all over the place ).
As for ranting about BVR, then talking in the next breath about AIM9X, I don't think this is a trolling journo'.
From sensible posts, it would seem to me the RAAF could do a lot worse than Typhoon, given conformal tanks & tanker support.
Then there's always the old chestnut of a converted airliner with a jolly good big radar, and rows of pylons for AMRAAMS etc; did see that suggested again at least semi-seriously recently by Boeing I think.
Not so good at A-G dual role though, unless it carried parasitic or towed A-10's / UCAV's ?!
As for ranting about BVR, then talking in the next breath about AIM9X, I don't think this is a trolling journo'.
From sensible posts, it would seem to me the RAAF could do a lot worse than Typhoon, given conformal tanks & tanker support.
Then there's always the old chestnut of a converted airliner with a jolly good big radar, and rows of pylons for AMRAAMS etc; did see that suggested again at least semi-seriously recently by Boeing I think.
Not so good at A-G dual role though, unless it carried parasitic or towed A-10's / UCAV's ?!
Last edited by Double Zero; 1st Jan 2008 at 18:51.
